| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? 01:10 - May 6 with 5276 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Might sound crazy but both have one rather big flaw in the PL and that’s physicality. If we are allowed to spend 80% or whatever it is of our revenue there could be an argument that selling one and look spending on a more physical athletic player in the position. Jaden would command the higher fee based on talent levels alone but I’d imagine but sure every Town fan would expect to be seeing him play for us next year.
While I really like them both I think it’s a pretty un robust left hand side in the PL if it’s purely those two that are sharing minutes. It might not be about making a big profit on what was paid in terms of player trading but more allowing a little more room for expenditure in the summer. We have investment and the new TV to come in but there are still rules and are wage bill must be much higher than last time.
The more I look at our business since 2024 and look across the league it’s very clear there is much better value in Europe than the EFL. [Post edited 6 May 1:11]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 13:06 - May 6 with 574 views | PioneerBlue |
No room for sentimentality is a great soundbite but the practical and financial reality is we will have to work with players we have and add to that. There are many learnings from our year long PL excursion and that of Leeds or Sunderland, however everyone has a different starting point and different base group of players. We have what we have, we have and will presumably continue to add strength, power and a range of experience. It still comes down to balancing old with new, coaching and tactical approach and integrating new into an ever evolving culture.
Let’s get away from the football manager level insights and consider the world when nothing comes easy and nothing is simply bought of the shelf. |  |
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| Not sure it's about 'robustness'... on 13:12 - May 6 with 563 views | Dyland |
Jaden's 'injury record' notwithstanding. More their actual size and strength, and 'athleticism' on and off the ball re ability to a) keep it and b) get it back. But they arent exactly weeds either.
Jack especially is an enigma to me. Had flashes last season, and as others have commented he would get a lot more protection in the PL. He runs into traffic a lot and this season whilst I've generally been a fan I've also found him frustrating at times. But as I say, this may play out differently in the PL.
They are both quite eccentric footballers, and possibly characters too. Like the miserable old sod I am their quirks and goal celebrations kind of annoyed me for a bit, but I've softened and stopped being a dick about that.
I'd like them both to stay and see what they can do. You may be pleasantly surprised. |  |
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| Have we been doing anything.... on 13:15 - May 6 with 549 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Have we been doing anything.... on 10:49 - May 6 by Guthrum |
They don't necessarily need 'bulking up'. Indeed, that can work against the dexterity and speed which are important components of their effectiveness.
From what I've seen, both are noticeably tougher in challenges than when they first arrived. |
That's good to hear.
Both were bought to play in the Prem and for their potential, so I would expect the club to make the Prem ready for next season. |  |
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| Not sure it's about 'robustness'... on 13:17 - May 6 with 548 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Not sure it's about 'robustness'... on 13:12 - May 6 by Dyland |
Jaden's 'injury record' notwithstanding. More their actual size and strength, and 'athleticism' on and off the ball re ability to a) keep it and b) get it back. But they arent exactly weeds either.
Jack especially is an enigma to me. Had flashes last season, and as others have commented he would get a lot more protection in the PL. He runs into traffic a lot and this season whilst I've generally been a fan I've also found him frustrating at times. But as I say, this may play out differently in the PL.
They are both quite eccentric footballers, and possibly characters too. Like the miserable old sod I am their quirks and goal celebrations kind of annoyed me for a bit, but I've softened and stopped being a dick about that.
I'd like them both to stay and see what they can do. You may be pleasantly surprised. |
Philogene is really good off the ball, he has a weird skill of finding ways to retain the ball. I do have slight concerns over how underwhelming he has been in tough away games this season when every prem game feels like a tough away game. His calling card this season has been those goals at home and I just wonder if they dry up is he giving you enough out there.
Clarke I think is going to be massively improved this time out in the PL. He has learnt how to play as a sub firstly. He is much more versatile positionally, not just a touchline winger anymore and his off the ball work has taking a massive step up. Looking forward to seeing him back in the top flight. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 13:40 - May 6 with 504 views | TripSwitch |
My gut instinct is that Jaden can make the step up, although he is extremely raw in PL terms. He would be one that is worth giving the chance to.
Jack Clarke however, something just tells me he doesn't have enough in his locker to cause any damage at PL level. I think full backs will find him extremely easy to handle.
So I would be looking to sell Clarke while his stock is high, use Mehmeti as a back up on the LW and invest heavily in a quality number 10. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 14:45 - May 6 with 475 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 12:30 - May 6 by Guthrum |
Question is whether we go for a few, top-quality additions to leaven the existing squad, or if we attempt a wholesale replacement, but at an overall lower level of recruit and with the attendant issues of forging them into a team.
Personally, I think we will lean more towards the former. Especially given quite a number do have Prem experience (albeit perhaps not very successful) on top of being "pre-gelled". Which wasn't the case in May 2024, most of whom had come up from lower divisions. |
I would say two things ...
We can buy top-quality for sensible prices. Your thinking, 6 £25M players will make us better than 10 £15M players but it obviously doesn't work like that. Southampton bought Scienza for £7M, have an option to buy Peretz for £7M. Sunderland signed Brobbey for £20M and Roefs for less than £10m. That is top quality for av spend of £10M per player.
Secondly, all the trends show that a nobody goes up and signs a few players anymore. Those days are long gone because the Premier League is simply too strong.
In the last 6 years, so 18 promoted sides, the average is 13.3 new signings.
8–10 new signings - happened 6 times
11–14 new signings - happened 6 times
15–19 new signings - happened 5 times
25–30 new signings - happened once [Post edited 6 May 14:49]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 14:49 - May 6 with 458 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 13:40 - May 6 by TripSwitch |
My gut instinct is that Jaden can make the step up, although he is extremely raw in PL terms. He would be one that is worth giving the chance to.
Jack Clarke however, something just tells me he doesn't have enough in his locker to cause any damage at PL level. I think full backs will find him extremely easy to handle.
So I would be looking to sell Clarke while his stock is high, use Mehmeti as a back up on the LW and invest heavily in a quality number 10. |
Mate, you cannot have Mehmeti as an actual option in the PL, he is not anywhere near that level, come on now!
Jack Clarke is probably one of the top % of championship players, he is unlikely going to want to go back to the championship again. Maybe a couple of season in Europe would be fun for him. [Post edited 6 May 14:50]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 14:59 - May 6 with 435 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:00 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
No. Left wing is the only position I wouldn’t strengthen. Our midfield needs beefed up with physicality but every team has room fur players of Philogene and Clarke’s build. Hutchison at Forest, Saka at Arsenal etc . |
Hutchison is very different because of his playing style, I’ve seen both eased off the ball quite a bit in the champ so have some concerns that they’d be the combined answer on the left. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 15:34 - May 6 with 405 views | hype313 |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 14:59 - May 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Hutchison is very different because of his playing style, I’ve seen both eased off the ball quite a bit in the champ so have some concerns that they’d be the combined answer on the left. |
So in a nutshell, we need to sign 11 Jonah Lomu's. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 16:07 - May 6 with 387 views | TripSwitch |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 14:49 - May 6 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Mate, you cannot have Mehmeti as an actual option in the PL, he is not anywhere near that level, come on now!
Jack Clarke is probably one of the top % of championship players, he is unlikely going to want to go back to the championship again. Maybe a couple of season in Europe would be fun for him. [Post edited 6 May 14:50]
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Idk, I just feel Mehmeti has the potential to develop to that standard and would be good as a bench warmer option, especially as he can play 10 too.
Don't see it in Jack Clarke, I think he's more limited.
Probably wrong, but hats how I see it. Opinions are like arseholes I guess. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 17:24 - May 6 with 357 views | Guthrum |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 14:45 - May 6 by Bellevue_Blue |
I would say two things ...
We can buy top-quality for sensible prices. Your thinking, 6 £25M players will make us better than 10 £15M players but it obviously doesn't work like that. Southampton bought Scienza for £7M, have an option to buy Peretz for £7M. Sunderland signed Brobbey for £20M and Roefs for less than £10m. That is top quality for av spend of £10M per player.
Secondly, all the trends show that a nobody goes up and signs a few players anymore. Those days are long gone because the Premier League is simply too strong.
In the last 6 years, so 18 promoted sides, the average is 13.3 new signings.
8–10 new signings - happened 6 times
11–14 new signings - happened 6 times
15–19 new signings - happened 5 times
25–30 new signings - happened once [Post edited 6 May 14:49]
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Indeed, even for the "few, high quality" model, I was thinking around the ten signings mark. We would need that many to reinforce the team, replace departures and provide adequate levels of cover. That was as opposed to double that number (at necessarily a lower cost), which would be required to completely renovate the entire squad.
For the higher-value players, I was thinking of Xhaka at Suderland, credited with a lot of why they have done so well. Perhaps a step higher pedigree - and consequently more money - than the players you mention. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 18:16 - May 6 with 329 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 17:24 - May 6 by Guthrum |
Indeed, even for the "few, high quality" model, I was thinking around the ten signings mark. We would need that many to reinforce the team, replace departures and provide adequate levels of cover. That was as opposed to double that number (at necessarily a lower cost), which would be required to completely renovate the entire squad.
For the higher-value players, I was thinking of Xhaka at Suderland, credited with a lot of why they have done so well. Perhaps a step higher pedigree - and consequently more money - than the players you mention. |
I agree I think somewhere between 10-13 is the sweet spot.
By a few I thought you meant a few but I absolutely agree with you on the experience/ reputation front and paying a bit extra for that.
It's really clear KM likes that, the question is who?
It's obvious there isn't really another Xhaka type signing. Tom Cairney? Will Hughes? Jordan Henderson? | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 18:24 - May 6 with 319 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 16:07 - May 6 by TripSwitch |
Idk, I just feel Mehmeti has the potential to develop to that standard and would be good as a bench warmer option, especially as he can play 10 too.
Don't see it in Jack Clarke, I think he's more limited.
Probably wrong, but hats how I see it. Opinions are like arseholes I guess. |
Can't get there with Mehmeti he just gives the ball away too much and at PL level he would get battered, we would get smashed with him starting games.
In terms of revenue we would be able to sell him to a championship club for a profit so all is not lost. | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 18:50 - May 6 with 292 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 15:34 - May 6 by hype313 |
So in a nutshell, we need to sign 11 Jonah Lomu's. |
Great analysis. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 20:40 - May 6 with 252 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Both still young would need a big offer for either |  |
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