| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? 01:10 - May 6 with 5195 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Might sound crazy but both have one rather big flaw in the PL and that’s physicality. If we are allowed to spend 80% or whatever it is of our revenue there could be an argument that selling one and look spending on a more physical athletic player in the position. Jaden would command the higher fee based on talent levels alone but I’d imagine but sure every Town fan would expect to be seeing him play for us next year.
While I really like them both I think it’s a pretty un robust left hand side in the PL if it’s purely those two that are sharing minutes. It might not be about making a big profit on what was paid in terms of player trading but more allowing a little more room for expenditure in the summer. We have investment and the new TV to come in but there are still rules and are wage bill must be much higher than last time.
The more I look at our business since 2024 and look across the league it’s very clear there is much better value in Europe than the EFL. [Post edited 6 May 1:11]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:08 - May 6 with 3471 views | coote |
I don’t think either are good enough for the premier league. I’d sell Jaden and keep Clarke to bring off the bench.
If we adopt the 3 at the back I’d unleash Leif again on the left with Memehti inside left 10. |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:16 - May 6 with 3444 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
I think we'd be open to offers for the reasons you state.
But I don't think we'd accept a loss, so whether a club is willing to pay £20M+ for either of them...? |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:28 - May 6 with 3390 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
I'd sooner keep them both than Mehmeti. They've grown into this team really well, Omari is smaller and less physical than either but he's adapted to the PL. For me, Mehmeti gives the ball away far too much. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:35 - May 6 with 3351 views | Blue_Heath |
Annoyingly I think both are too lightweight for the prem but we shall see.
I'd keep both and sub/alternate as appropriate based on form.
It's another CM, 10 and deffo a striker that are the priorities. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:56 - May 6 with 3252 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:28 - May 6 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I'd sooner keep them both than Mehmeti. They've grown into this team really well, Omari is smaller and less physical than either but he's adapted to the PL. For me, Mehmeti gives the ball away far too much. |
I think the omari point is interesting because I don't think he stands out, or forest stand out as un physical. So there is room for a couple of this type of player in a team and still compete physically. They don't all need to be 6ft 5 juggernauts. Whether they are good enough is another matter. |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:58 - May 6 with 3239 views | Steve_M |
Jaden will be ok I think, he did a lot of off the ball stuff last time. Less sure on Clarke, he struggled last time but was also adapting to a new club and role. Neither would have as much space as now.
Can see us keeping both but looking for better options. I think our real need for physicality will be centrally though. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:58 - May 6 with 3230 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:28 - May 6 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I'd sooner keep them both than Mehmeti. They've grown into this team really well, Omari is smaller and less physical than either but he's adapted to the PL. For me, Mehmeti gives the ball away far too much. |
I think you need to keep Jack and Jaden until Jan 2027. If we are going to go down again then we will need them for the season after, if we can retain them of course.
Probably get pelters for this but I don't rate Mehmeti at all, he is never a PL player in a million years, not fully sure he is a top half champ player on what I have seen. | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 07:00 - May 6 with 3215 views | Churchman |
Keep them both. They are exceptional players and are good enough. They deserve their chance and all they need is decent service. Not every player has to be the size of a semi detached.
Hutchinson has grown into EPL football and I don’t see why they shouldn’t. It’s the spine of the team in front of Matusiwa and the right hand side we need to get right. There you do need physicality, experience, goal threat and control.
If I was forced to sell one of them (at a decent profit), it’d be Philogene. He has marginally more talent, but Clarke is more flexible and stays fitter. |  | | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 08:55 - May 6 with 2711 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Thats whats depressing about the PL.
I totally get where you are coming from. But its depressing that the PL makes us think, should we get rid of one of our technically gifted, creative players to buy a strong athlete. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:00 - May 6 with 2659 views | GlasgowBlue |
No. Left wing is the only position I wouldn’t strengthen. Our midfield needs beefed up with physicality but every team has room fur players of Philogene and Clarke’s build. Hutchison at Forest, Saka at Arsenal etc . |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:10 - May 6 with 2590 views | Bellevue_Blue |
I have long thought this. None of Philo/ Clarke/ Mehmeti really have the pace and physicality to be able to counter attack effectively in the PL.
Clarke is maybe the better dribbler, Mehmeti probably the most versatile which I think leaves Philo as the out and out luxury flair player we don't really need?
I really like Jaden and he's got buckets of talent but we're not going to have enough of the ball for him to be massively effective. | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:11 - May 6 with 2580 views | BlueBoots |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:00 - May 6 by GlasgowBlue |
No. Left wing is the only position I wouldn’t strengthen. Our midfield needs beefed up with physicality but every team has room fur players of Philogene and Clarke’s build. Hutchison at Forest, Saka at Arsenal etc . |
With you on this...players with that level of technical ability and that can get you a goal out of nowhere like Jaden are like gold-dust, and Clarke's ability to run faster carrying the ball than a lot of players can without it (although we'll come up against a bit more pace next season) is going to be useful for counter-attacking and drawing fouls to take the pressure off.
The one department of the squad I wouldn't tinker with... |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:35 - May 6 with 2462 views | OldFart71 |
At the beginning of last season we had quite a rebuild and it took many months for them to gel. It could be argued that a handful of players never gelled. Szmodics went, Akpom, Azon,Neil and even McAteer until the last half dozen games.
So I do feel the basis of the squad must be kept.
Walton should be given his chance, Furlong, O'Shea,Greaves and Davis.
Matusiwa and Philogene. Nunez again should be given a chance to shine.
So you would have Clarke,Taylor, Memeti, Hirst,McAteer and possibly Kipre as second/third choice squad players.
So we need another midfielder alongside Matusiwa, a centre forward and a number 10 and a winger to replace Wes. Also now Young has departed cover for Furlong,
Akpom,Cajuste and Szmodics all moved on and the loan players such as Harry Clarke Al Hamadi etc either sold or found loan moves. | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:42 - May 6 with 2414 views | LeightonBuzzardBlue |
I have a feeling we'll see Clarke converted to a 10 over pre-season. He's the best ball carrier at the club by some distance and we saw the same conversion with Hutch last time out in the Prem. |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:44 - May 6 with 2393 views | cressi |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:35 - May 6 by Blue_Heath |
Annoyingly I think both are too lightweight for the prem but we shall see.
I'd keep both and sub/alternate as appropriate based on form.
It's another CM, 10 and deffo a striker that are the priorities. |
I agree both lightweight and we know McKenna loves a winger so don't be surprised if if wingers or number 10s arrive | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:47 - May 6 with 2369 views | BiGDonnie |
Definitely not. It's the one position we'll be ok in without having to strengthen. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:47 - May 6 with 2360 views | ZapatasMoustache |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:47 - May 6 by BiGDonnie |
Definitely not. It's the one position we'll be ok in without having to strengthen. |
It's a hard no from me! |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:47 - May 6 with 2358 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I do back both of them to give a better account of themselves this season and it would be way down my list of priorities but it wouldn't shock me if one was to go. |  |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:49 - May 6 with 2338 views | BiGDonnie |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:47 - May 6 by ZapatasMoustache |
It's a hard no from me! |
Lot of people here seemingly think we're playing football manager. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 09:50 - May 6 with 2337 views | mrfixit426 |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:49 - May 6 by BiGDonnie |
Lot of people here seemingly think we're playing football manager. |
People have taken the "physicality" buzzword and are just repeating it like it's some kind of magic solution.
Not every player needs to be a monster. Look at Man City for example. They have their share of beasts, but would you call Barnardo Silva, David Silva, Phil Foden, Mahrez heavyweights? Lightweight players can succeed in the Premier League. It depends on how they are deployed, and also their ability.
Alexander Isak looks like he's made out of tissue paper, but he tore us a new one last season. [Post edited 6 May 9:55]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:55 - May 6 with 2295 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:35 - May 6 by OldFart71 |
At the beginning of last season we had quite a rebuild and it took many months for them to gel. It could be argued that a handful of players never gelled. Szmodics went, Akpom, Azon,Neil and even McAteer until the last half dozen games.
So I do feel the basis of the squad must be kept.
Walton should be given his chance, Furlong, O'Shea,Greaves and Davis.
Matusiwa and Philogene. Nunez again should be given a chance to shine.
So you would have Clarke,Taylor, Memeti, Hirst,McAteer and possibly Kipre as second/third choice squad players.
So we need another midfielder alongside Matusiwa, a centre forward and a number 10 and a winger to replace Wes. Also now Young has departed cover for Furlong,
Akpom,Cajuste and Szmodics all moved on and the loan players such as Harry Clarke Al Hamadi etc either sold or found loan moves. |
The basis of the squad should be kept, but we should be aiming to relegate most of them to bench options.
A starting defence of Walton, Furlong, O'Shea,Greaves and Davis will get you relegated immediately.
That is the brutal reality of the Premier League. There can be no room for sentiment. We need to try and find upgrades at every position. [Post edited 6 May 10:12]
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 09:59 - May 6 with 2257 views | BiGDonnie |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? (n/t) on 09:50 - May 6 by mrfixit426 |
People have taken the "physicality" buzzword and are just repeating it like it's some kind of magic solution.
Not every player needs to be a monster. Look at Man City for example. They have their share of beasts, but would you call Barnardo Silva, David Silva, Phil Foden, Mahrez heavyweights? Lightweight players can succeed in the Premier League. It depends on how they are deployed, and also their ability.
Alexander Isak looks like he's made out of tissue paper, but he tore us a new one last season. [Post edited 6 May 9:55]
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Yup.
Continuity is a big thing too. All this 12 or so new signings. We'll start the season with at least 6 of the current squad as starters and I'm happy with that.
Walton, O'Shea, Greaves, Davies, Matusiwa, Philogene/Clarke. | |
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| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 10:00 - May 6 with 2251 views | norfsufblue |
No don't think we should... and anyway , who are we going to sell either too? If as suggested they are not good enough gor the PL who will pay the fee we would require. And if a PL club would buy one of them that would suggest they are good enough! |  | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 10:04 - May 6 with 2219 views | Vaughan8 |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 09:55 - May 6 by Bellevue_Blue |
The basis of the squad should be kept, but we should be aiming to relegate most of them to bench options.
A starting defence of Walton, Furlong, O'Shea,Greaves and Davis will get you relegated immediately.
That is the brutal reality of the Premier League. There can be no room for sentiment. We need to try and find upgrades at every position. [Post edited 6 May 10:12]
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This. People seem to forget how much of a step up the PL is.
As you say, that defence is nowhere near good enough unfortunately. You need to start with that being good. If you look at both Leeds and Sunderland, they're both not too bad defensively.
However Burnley are poor at the back, but were so good in the Championship. | | | |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 10:10 - May 6 with 2173 views | NthQldITFC |
| Is selling one of Clarke or Philogene a consideration? on 06:56 - May 6 by Axeldalai_lama |
I think the omari point is interesting because I don't think he stands out, or forest stand out as un physical. So there is room for a couple of this type of player in a team and still compete physically. They don't all need to be 6ft 5 juggernauts. Whether they are good enough is another matter. |
Agree. Omari has a low centre of gravity / stance which actually makes him fairly robust as a player, I would say, and he can use that to lever players off the ball with his lower body. |  |
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