| PR pitch 15:07 - May 17 with 1801 views | FrimleyBlue |
Do you think we need to bring it in a bit for the prem?
I know it's quite short in comparison apparently, but the width of PR I believe was one of the biggest
I know that was to our advantage in our promotion seasons, but do you think for Prem football we need to maybe make it more compact or would this ruin KM football |  |
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| PR pitch on 15:18 - May 17 with 1705 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Im not sure the pitch size was our issue in the Prem tbh.
Mckenna loves width so unless he changing his style can't see that being changed. |  |
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| PR pitch on 15:19 - May 17 with 1691 views | Bluesky |
Never understood why size is not fixed dimensions. You don’t have variable tennis court or cricket pitch sizes etc. weird. But I expect someone will give me plausible explanation. |  | | |
| PR pitch on 15:21 - May 17 with 1669 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| PR pitch on 15:18 - May 17 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Im not sure the pitch size was our issue in the Prem tbh.
Mckenna loves width so unless he changing his style can't see that being changed. |
We've already changed our style in the Championship. I fully expect more changes in the Premier League. Especially with being compact and more disciplined compared to what we did last time. |  |
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| PR pitch on 15:23 - May 17 with 1651 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| PR pitch on 15:19 - May 17 by Bluesky |
Never understood why size is not fixed dimensions. You don’t have variable tennis court or cricket pitch sizes etc. weird. But I expect someone will give me plausible explanation. |
Apparently. The premier league allows variation owing to some clubs playing in older stadia (ourselves included)
Fulham are allowed such a small pitch because of how close they are to the Thames is what I just read, assume as there is no room to move stands backward. | |
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| PR pitch on 15:25 - May 17 with 1634 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| PR pitch on 15:21 - May 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
We've already changed our style in the Championship. I fully expect more changes in the Premier League. Especially with being compact and more disciplined compared to what we did last time. |
I don't actually think our style of play was that bad last time in the Prem. We did try to be pretty compact, we were very direct and did a lot of work on the counter we just didn't have the personnel.
We were in most games for about 60 minutes, we scored first quite a lot we just had a double pivot that couldn't run. Our best performances were with the back 3 mainly, so wonder if we do go back to that. [Post edited 17 May 15:25]
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| PR pitch on 15:34 - May 17 with 1549 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| PR pitch on 15:26 - May 17 by J2BLUE |
Holy shit, TEN METRES narrower?!?!? |
Standard PL dimensions are 105mx68m but with variations permitted for clubs in older stadia.
Apparently...
https://resources.premierleagu
Edit: The 2024 PL handbook says our pitch dimensions were 105x66m (Page 21 below)
https://resources.premierleagu [Post edited 17 May 15:37]
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| PR pitch on 15:40 - May 17 with 1504 views | GeoffSentence |
I believe our pitch is 66m wide
 Portman Road Plans Reveal Longer Pitch 5th Nov 2022 16:23The club’s plans for the next phase of Portman Road’s development are now available via Ipswich Borough Council’s Planning Portal and reveal that the new pitch will be a little longer than it is at present and will be raised on one side.  21
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| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 with 1412 views | tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |  | | |
| PR pitch on 15:58 - May 17 with 1378 views | BloomBlue |
Size doesn't matter |  | | |
| PR pitch on 15:58 - May 17 with 1377 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 by tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |
Yeah. Not reading that mess. | |
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| PR pitch on 16:10 - May 17 with 1307 views | grow_our_own |
| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 by tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |
Pep Guardiola has no plan B. Rubbish manager. | | | |
| PR pitch on 16:11 - May 17 with 1307 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
It's not hard to find them for Premier League teams. They are published in the Premier League handbook every year. I linked the 24/25 handbook above. | |
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| PR pitch on 16:11 - May 17 with 1300 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 by tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |
Mckenna changed systems multiple times last time we were in the prem. | |
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| PR pitch on 16:12 - May 17 with 1300 views | GeoffSentence |
It is tricky to find the pitch dimensions. Some time ago I started a similar thread based on the vast width of the pitch, itself based on those same dimensions which are widely available on the web. Phil put me right and pointed me to that article.
Edit: found the thread where phil corrected me
Pitch size - Portman Road is hoooj by GeoffSentence 16 Apr 20:46Short but exceptionally wide
https://www.esedirect.co.uk/blog/football-pitch-line-marking-guide.html
"You might imagine Wembley Stadium, home to the England squad to be the largest pitch of them all, but that award actually goes to the home of Ipswich Town, Portman Road in Suffolk coming in at a whopping 7650 metres square"
102x75m massively wide, premier league standard is 105 x 68m so it is 7 metres wider than normal. I wonder if this has an impact on home advantage.
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| PR pitch on 16:36 - May 17 with 1212 views | MidlandsBlue |
| PR pitch on 16:12 - May 17 by GeoffSentence |
It is tricky to find the pitch dimensions. Some time ago I started a similar thread based on the vast width of the pitch, itself based on those same dimensions which are widely available on the web. Phil put me right and pointed me to that article.
Edit: found the thread where phil corrected me
Pitch size - Portman Road is hoooj by GeoffSentence 16 Apr 20:46Short but exceptionally wide
https://www.esedirect.co.uk/blog/football-pitch-line-marking-guide.html
"You might imagine Wembley Stadium, home to the England squad to be the largest pitch of them all, but that award actually goes to the home of Ipswich Town, Portman Road in Suffolk coming in at a whopping 7650 metres square"
102x75m massively wide, premier league standard is 105 x 68m so it is 7 metres wider than normal. I wonder if this has an impact on home advantage.
[Post edited 17 May 16:16]
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The pitch isn't 75m wide, that would almost certainly put the pitch into both stands.
Dimensions before the pitch was rebuilt a few years ago was 102×66m. I believe the length is now 105m since it was rebuilt as the space was always there but was never done due to sight lines (I.e. could people in the front row see the line) so when the pitch was rebuilt the level could be changed to allow for this.
In terms of width, the 66m was everything that could be squeezed out of it while keeping a minimum of 3m to the advertising boards for safety reasons. Unless some work was taken on when the pitch was rebuilt to push advertising boards back (which i doubt given that would have meant removing seats too) then it's likely still 66m wide.
In a previously life I used to cut the grass and paint the lines at Portman Rd, hence why the Dimensions are imprinted in my head. | | | |
| PR pitch on 16:39 - May 17 with 1189 views | IndependentlyBlue |
| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 by tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |
Yeh, rubbish manager. Can’t wait to get rid. We’ll never have any success with him and his methods. |  |
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| PR pitch on 17:05 - May 17 with 1137 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| PR pitch on 16:36 - May 17 by MidlandsBlue |
The pitch isn't 75m wide, that would almost certainly put the pitch into both stands.
Dimensions before the pitch was rebuilt a few years ago was 102×66m. I believe the length is now 105m since it was rebuilt as the space was always there but was never done due to sight lines (I.e. could people in the front row see the line) so when the pitch was rebuilt the level could be changed to allow for this.
In terms of width, the 66m was everything that could be squeezed out of it while keeping a minimum of 3m to the advertising boards for safety reasons. Unless some work was taken on when the pitch was rebuilt to push advertising boards back (which i doubt given that would have meant removing seats too) then it's likely still 66m wide.
In a previously life I used to cut the grass and paint the lines at Portman Rd, hence why the Dimensions are imprinted in my head. |
How many times? It's 68m wide.
https://resources.premierleagu
Look at page 21. | |
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| PR pitch on 18:48 - May 17 with 950 views | PhilTWTD |
I think the 75m width goes back prior to the Pioneer or even the Cobbold Stand being built. |  | | |
| PR pitch on 18:57 - May 17 with 902 views | ParisBlue |
Page 21 says 105m x 66m
It also states our capacity at the startbof our season to be 29,813, although the attendance for Liverpool was 30,014. [Post edited 17 May 18:57]
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| PR pitch on 19:06 - May 17 with 864 views | Kropotkin123 |
| PR pitch on 15:19 - May 17 by Bluesky |
Never understood why size is not fixed dimensions. You don’t have variable tennis court or cricket pitch sizes etc. weird. But I expect someone will give me plausible explanation. |
The boundaries in cricket do differ. I haven't double checked tennis, but they add variety by having distinct playing surfaces - clay, grass, etc. Neither have uniform conditions when it comes to their "pitch". |  |
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| PR pitch on 21:04 - May 18 with 469 views | MidlandsBlue |
It says 66m on there too, thank you for confirming my superior knowledge | | | |
| PR pitch on 21:25 - May 18 with 404 views | Vic |
| PR pitch on 15:54 - May 17 by tetchris |
The pitch isn’t the problem, it’s the stubbornness of the manager to never change this system no matter who we’re playing etc. KM has never had a plan B. Play the same way week in, week out and never change, that’s why we lost so many matches in the PL as we are so predictable. Of course you need the right players to be able to adapt to different playing styles and I’m not sure we have the quality in the squad to do it. In the commentary on one of our recent championship matches, just before we made some substitutions, the commentator said KM often makes substitutions around this time but it’s very much like for like, he never changes the system just the personnel. If the commentator and pundits comment on it, you can bet all the other PL managers will be aware of it. I can’t remember who we were playing but I remember the opposition playing 4-4-2 which is unusual these days and thought to myself why don’t we switch to playing 4-4-2 or 3-5-1 instead of our usual 4-2-3-1. If there is one thing that KM must learn from our last disastrous campaign in the PL, is don’t be afraid to change the system once in a while, be pro active and not reactive. OK people will say playing this way got us promoted but only just on the last day of the season, by the time we played QPR, we should have been far enough ahead that the last game was a formality, the games in hand we had and didn’t win! I think we are very lucky to go up this season. If we want to stay up it isn’t just the personnel that will have to be better and wiser, KM will have to be too. |
Do you enjoy being criticising the manager and club? You just never miss an opportunity.
I’d love to know what you do or what your experience is in football to give you such confidence in your opinions about the club. It might help us understand you if you are an ex player, or have some experience in the industry. |  |
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