| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined 09:25 - May 21 with 1578 views | norfsufblue |
a single penny! They have suffered sporting sanctions which is entirely the correct penalty.
Edit: just to add, they tried to gain a sporting advantage illegally and yhat is how they have been punished. [Post edited 21 May 9:41]
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:29 - May 21 with 1546 views | wkj |
Given they would have been favourites in the final, they've more than likely lost £100s of millions of pounds already |  |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:31 - May 21 with 1520 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
Quite. They are very focused on their own potential lost earnings while ignoring the fact that their cheating would have the same effect on other teams. |  | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:31 - May 21 with 1504 views | hoppy |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:29 - May 21 by wkj |
Given they would have been favourites in the final, they've more than likely lost £100s of millions of pounds already |
Except they haven’t actually lost anything other than an opportunity. |  |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:34 - May 21 with 1471 views | wkj |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:31 - May 21 by hoppy |
Except they haven’t actually lost anything other than an opportunity. |
This is very true, though I do feel their punishment is harsh and just. | |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:39 - May 21 with 1424 views | hoppy |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:34 - May 21 by wkj |
This is very true, though I do feel their punishment is harsh and just. |
Which they brought on themselves. No sympathy for those responsible - just the fans, who if you imagine it being your club, you’d be absolutely gutted to have been let down like this and seen your club become the example to others for breaking rules they knew all about. | |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:43 - May 21 with 1393 views | wkj |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:39 - May 21 by hoppy |
Which they brought on themselves. No sympathy for those responsible - just the fans, who if you imagine it being your club, you’d be absolutely gutted to have been let down like this and seen your club become the example to others for breaking rules they knew all about. |
I agree, and I think Saints fans should be asking a lot of questions. Who sanctioned this, did the manager know, who else knew etc. I don't have a dim view on Southampton because of this though, just the individuals who were part of it. I hope they get exposed and are judged by prospective employers in the game as their futures unfold. | |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:54 - May 21 with 1352 views | bsw72 |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:29 - May 21 by wkj |
Given they would have been favourites in the final, they've more than likely lost £100s of millions of pounds already |
You can't lose what you didn't have or were legally commited to gaining.
They have only lost the potential for earnings, very different. |  | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:56 - May 21 with 1316 views | FrimleyBlue |
Just seen that the FA are now goint to investigate it too now. |  |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:57 - May 21 with 1316 views | blueoutlook |
They may be about to lose a whole lot more. Apparently the F.A are now opening an investigation. |  | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 10:46 - May 21 with 1180 views | algy |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:34 - May 21 by wkj |
This is very true, though I do feel their punishment is harsh and just. |
The sanction wouldn't have been any different if they had done what they did at any other level of the pyramid. Some are saying it is disproportionate because of the likely financial effect of not being promoted. That is only disproportionate because of the disproportionate wealth of being in the PL. If they had offended at a lower level they would have just taken their just desserts and rid themselves of anyone involved at any level of their club. But ultimately for them it's all about the money and IMO they've got off lightly not being relegated. | |
| Never forget that on 7th. April 2021, for ITFC, the Game Changed. |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 17:28 - May 21 with 863 views | blueislander |
The investigation has not begun. When the outcome is published they may well get fined. | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 18:52 - May 21 with 785 views | JeremiahBrown |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:57 - May 21 by blueoutlook |
They may be about to lose a whole lot more. Apparently the F.A are now opening an investigation. |
I think the investigation is mostly to find out who was responsible for this and who knew about it and then to hand out any bans or otherwise for those involved. | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 19:59 - May 21 with 714 views | stonojnr |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:31 - May 21 by hoppy |
Except they haven’t actually lost anything other than an opportunity. |
Its like Deal or No Deal except in football :) | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 20:27 - May 21 with 679 views | norfsufblue |
It seems the spying on us was for team information as committed on the day of the game.... surely that wouldnt have been the first time they did that then? | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 21:41 - May 21 with 624 views | GeoffSentence |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:31 - May 21 by hoppy |
Except they haven’t actually lost anything other than an opportunity. |
Well, by convention the loser of the play off final gets all the tickets income which is somewhere between 1 and 2 million I believe, so at the very least they have lost that. |  |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 07:58 - May 22 with 439 views | pointofblue |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 20:27 - May 21 by norfsufblue |
It seems the spying on us was for team information as committed on the day of the game.... surely that wouldnt have been the first time they did that then? |
This is the thing which doesn't add up. I do not buy they spied on Oxford in December, then nothing until us in April. Why would that be the case if Eckert didn't believe it was wrong to do so?
Odd how those announced so far had no bearing on the final outcome unlike, say, Wrexham. | |
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| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:38 - May 22 with 362 views | darkhorse28 |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 07:58 - May 22 by pointofblue |
This is the thing which doesn't add up. I do not buy they spied on Oxford in December, then nothing until us in April. Why would that be the case if Eckert didn't believe it was wrong to do so?
Odd how those announced so far had no bearing on the final outcome unlike, say, Wrexham. |
It smells a lot like the punishment given to Leicester - ONE point short of the threshold where Leeds would have been promoted (and it could easily have been us).
7 points and Leeds would have had losses in the hundreds of millions as a consequence of proven cheating!!
The EFL do seem to want to make their lives easier as a bigger priority than justice. If Leeds hadn’t been promoted the next season. Their losses would be £200 million plus.
If Southampton cheated in more games. They’d have been outside the play offs and Wrexham have missed an opportunity to get hundreds of millions in revenue, and certainly missed the play off revenue.
It’s very obvious the EFL focus even before proving guilt, is mitigating damage to themselves as a priority, over justice and what’s right.
Hard to argue Southampton deserve to be outside the play offs, but retain their league position, assuming it was more widespread.
How do we not get sued for hundreds of millions, is clearly a big priority.
The real issue of course is the wealth gap. It’s such huge numbers now, that the integrity of the EFL is under serious threat.
They can’t ever find that a club were denied promotion by cheating, because the amounts involved would bankrupt them.
And they really won’t stop play off games because that revenue is so important. A mess. The finances dwarf sporting integrity.
Leeds should have been promoted. And Southampton shouldn’t have been allowed to kick a ball in the play offs.., those are the only solution with integrity.
The rest is self protection. | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 10:12 - May 22 with 321 views | berkstractorboy |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:39 - May 21 by hoppy |
Which they brought on themselves. No sympathy for those responsible - just the fans, who if you imagine it being your club, you’d be absolutely gutted to have been let down like this and seen your club become the example to others for breaking rules they knew all about. |
I have mixed feelings for the fans.
Those that have been humble and accepted this is all on them and are disgusted at the club I have fully sympathy with.
There seems to be an element, and not sure if its tiny or not that seem to be about blaming the EFL, blaming Boro, this is all unfair on us Saint fans we shouldn't have to suffer at errors by individuals in the club, just punish them. They argue about fairness to fans with no thought to the unfairness to fans and clubs who have been impacted by their cheating. | | | |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 10:51 - May 22 with 270 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Just for clarity..Saints have not been fined on 09:38 - May 22 by darkhorse28 |
It smells a lot like the punishment given to Leicester - ONE point short of the threshold where Leeds would have been promoted (and it could easily have been us).
7 points and Leeds would have had losses in the hundreds of millions as a consequence of proven cheating!!
The EFL do seem to want to make their lives easier as a bigger priority than justice. If Leeds hadn’t been promoted the next season. Their losses would be £200 million plus.
If Southampton cheated in more games. They’d have been outside the play offs and Wrexham have missed an opportunity to get hundreds of millions in revenue, and certainly missed the play off revenue.
It’s very obvious the EFL focus even before proving guilt, is mitigating damage to themselves as a priority, over justice and what’s right.
Hard to argue Southampton deserve to be outside the play offs, but retain their league position, assuming it was more widespread.
How do we not get sued for hundreds of millions, is clearly a big priority.
The real issue of course is the wealth gap. It’s such huge numbers now, that the integrity of the EFL is under serious threat.
They can’t ever find that a club were denied promotion by cheating, because the amounts involved would bankrupt them.
And they really won’t stop play off games because that revenue is so important. A mess. The finances dwarf sporting integrity.
Leeds should have been promoted. And Southampton shouldn’t have been allowed to kick a ball in the play offs.., those are the only solution with integrity.
The rest is self protection. |
Convenient for Southampton that they only cheated in games they didn’t win.
There should have been a financial penalty equal to their share of the play offs gate money.
The FA could still fine the club, as well as banning individuals , if they find evidence of cheating in the FA cup. Just a case of finding the evidence, if they felt the need to spy on Oxford United then surely they would have done the same prior to games against Fulham, Arsenal & Manchester City. |  |
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