| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary 16:30 - Jun 7 with 701 views | N17Blue |
Apologies if already posted, but this week’s Archive on 4 is The Sir Alf Ramsey Story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p
Covers Town as well as ’66.
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| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 17:09 - Jun 7 with 626 views | N17Blue |
Just noticed I inserted the “Sir”. I once got told off something rotten for referring to him as plain “Alf” within earshot of Lady Ramsey. | | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:02 - Jun 7 with 574 views | Sibelius8 |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 17:09 - Jun 7 by N17Blue |
Just noticed I inserted the “Sir”. I once got told off something rotten for referring to him as plain “Alf” within earshot of Lady Ramsey. |
Thanks very much for recommending this. A good listen.
However, there was one major error (after about 10 minutes). Sir Alf was described as "The kingpin of the Spurs team that won the Division One title in 60-61." | | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:25 - Jun 7 with 507 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:02 - Jun 7 by Sibelius8 |
Thanks very much for recommending this. A good listen.
However, there was one major error (after about 10 minutes). Sir Alf was described as "The kingpin of the Spurs team that won the Division One title in 60-61." |
I thought they said 1950-51 so obviously one of us misheard. |  |
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| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:47 - Jun 7 with 474 views | armchaircritic59 |
I wonder if Sir Alf would have ever imagined that 60 years after he lifted the World Cup, we'd still be waiting for it to happen again? The country that gave the world football has very seriously taken its eyes off the ball. What chance this time? |  | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:51 - Jun 7 with 467 views | Churchman |
Thank you for posting this. It was fascinating and well worth a listen.
When Wet Spam numbskulls bleat on about Moore, Peters and Hurst winning the World Cup, they are right. They did alongside their team mates. But the most important person of all was the genius Alf Ramsey. Without him, it’d never have happened.
He was a curious man. Of his time. Rigid with his standards, a love of the game, players and his country. His loyalty was immovable and his innovation for the time unsurpassed. He hated the press and the FA ‘enemy’ who were after him almost from the off, but maybe after 11 or so years his time was up. He was shabbily treated though.
Introverted, strange clipped accent the programme reckons it was something he developed from his army days as he rose through the ranks.
In John Cobbold’s book (apologies for paraphrasing this - I’m repeating it from memory) he says that after the title winning 62 game v Villa, the champagne was cracked open in the Board Room and flowing. After a while, Mr John noticed Alf wasn’t there.
He found him sitting in the stand looking out on an empty Portman Road. Cobbold sat down next to him. Alf got up, handed his jacket to John and proceeded to do a lap of honour. On his own in an empty ground. Mr John stood up and provided a one man standing ovation.
For Cobbold it was a special private moment with him and he mentioned there were plenty of others. In other words, Alf was an intensely private man not prone to showing his feelings more than he had to.
Ramsey, like Bobby Moore, was treated disgracefully by the FA fossils. Yes, he was knighted but he was never accepted by them and has never received the recognition that is his due.
Sir Alf won the World Cup. He also performed an unsurpassed miracle at this club.
He is the best Manager Britain has ever produced in my view. |  | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:54 - Jun 7 with 455 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:51 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
Thank you for posting this. It was fascinating and well worth a listen.
When Wet Spam numbskulls bleat on about Moore, Peters and Hurst winning the World Cup, they are right. They did alongside their team mates. But the most important person of all was the genius Alf Ramsey. Without him, it’d never have happened.
He was a curious man. Of his time. Rigid with his standards, a love of the game, players and his country. His loyalty was immovable and his innovation for the time unsurpassed. He hated the press and the FA ‘enemy’ who were after him almost from the off, but maybe after 11 or so years his time was up. He was shabbily treated though.
Introverted, strange clipped accent the programme reckons it was something he developed from his army days as he rose through the ranks.
In John Cobbold’s book (apologies for paraphrasing this - I’m repeating it from memory) he says that after the title winning 62 game v Villa, the champagne was cracked open in the Board Room and flowing. After a while, Mr John noticed Alf wasn’t there.
He found him sitting in the stand looking out on an empty Portman Road. Cobbold sat down next to him. Alf got up, handed his jacket to John and proceeded to do a lap of honour. On his own in an empty ground. Mr John stood up and provided a one man standing ovation.
For Cobbold it was a special private moment with him and he mentioned there were plenty of others. In other words, Alf was an intensely private man not prone to showing his feelings more than he had to.
Ramsey, like Bobby Moore, was treated disgracefully by the FA fossils. Yes, he was knighted but he was never accepted by them and has never received the recognition that is his due.
Sir Alf won the World Cup. He also performed an unsurpassed miracle at this club.
He is the best Manager Britain has ever produced in my view. |
Have to agree on that. Amazing to think we had another one here who would be mentioned in the small group next on the list! | | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:55 - Jun 7 with 455 views | Sibelius8 |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:25 - Jun 7 by You_Bloo_Right |
I thought they said 1950-51 so obviously one of us misheard. |
Ooops! Just re-heard it! Must be my hearing aid! | | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 19:01 - Jun 7 with 427 views | Churchman |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:54 - Jun 7 by armchaircritic59 |
Have to agree on that. Amazing to think we had another one here who would be mentioned in the small group next on the list! |
It just goes to show that people can be as disparaging as they like about the Cobbolds and their drinking habits (I’d love to have known them), their judgement of people was as good as it gets, as was their patience and support. | | | |
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| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 21:32 - Jun 7 with 308 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 18:51 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
Thank you for posting this. It was fascinating and well worth a listen.
When Wet Spam numbskulls bleat on about Moore, Peters and Hurst winning the World Cup, they are right. They did alongside their team mates. But the most important person of all was the genius Alf Ramsey. Without him, it’d never have happened.
He was a curious man. Of his time. Rigid with his standards, a love of the game, players and his country. His loyalty was immovable and his innovation for the time unsurpassed. He hated the press and the FA ‘enemy’ who were after him almost from the off, but maybe after 11 or so years his time was up. He was shabbily treated though.
Introverted, strange clipped accent the programme reckons it was something he developed from his army days as he rose through the ranks.
In John Cobbold’s book (apologies for paraphrasing this - I’m repeating it from memory) he says that after the title winning 62 game v Villa, the champagne was cracked open in the Board Room and flowing. After a while, Mr John noticed Alf wasn’t there.
He found him sitting in the stand looking out on an empty Portman Road. Cobbold sat down next to him. Alf got up, handed his jacket to John and proceeded to do a lap of honour. On his own in an empty ground. Mr John stood up and provided a one man standing ovation.
For Cobbold it was a special private moment with him and he mentioned there were plenty of others. In other words, Alf was an intensely private man not prone to showing his feelings more than he had to.
Ramsey, like Bobby Moore, was treated disgracefully by the FA fossils. Yes, he was knighted but he was never accepted by them and has never received the recognition that is his due.
Sir Alf won the World Cup. He also performed an unsurpassed miracle at this club.
He is the best Manager Britain has ever produced in my view. |
Alf would slip back into his Essex accent when putting a point over to the players! ‘Dagenham Darkie’’ was not popular at the FA , his horse trading Father belying some Gypsy roots. His alcoholic brother also sometimes an issue, but his accent was cultivated in what he saw as a way of being almost an ‘inside agent’ within the FA and the stuffed blazers. His players, at Club and International levels would run through walls for him. Would it be fair to say the old practice pitch, now the fanzone, was where 66’ was developed? If so, it needs a plaque. | | | |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 19:30 - Jun 8 with 105 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Radio 4 Alf Ramsey documentary on 19:01 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
It just goes to show that people can be as disparaging as they like about the Cobbolds and their drinking habits (I’d love to have known them), their judgement of people was as good as it gets, as was their patience and support. |
So true. I don't care about anyone's drinking habits as long as they're fully capable of doing their job, and those two gentlemen most certainly were! | | | |
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