| How the USA v NK situation will pan out 11:31 - Aug 12 with 5737 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
1) Neither Trump or Park Ji Sung want a war. Trump isn't quite stupid enough to not realise that a war (nuclear or otherwise) would not be a good thing. However crazy KJU is he will know that any physical action would be the death of his country.
2) Both of them are just ramping up the comments to try to be the one who holds the most face.
3) It will be sorted out via talks and Trump will claim it as a 'fantastic victory for US diplomacy in the face of a dangerous and real threat'.
In the words of Bruno, no big deal votever. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:41 - Aug 12 with 5151 views | J2BLUE |
Park Ji Sung is South Korean and on Trump's side. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:42 - Aug 12 with 5143 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:41 - Aug 12 by J2BLUE |
Park Ji Sung is South Korean and on Trump's side. |
There's always one.... | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:45 - Aug 12 with 5131 views | Coco |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:42 - Aug 12 by ThisIsMyUsername |
There's always one.... |
He has a point though. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:46 - Aug 12 with 5127 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:45 - Aug 12 by Coco |
He has a point though. |
There's always two.... | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 13:54 - Aug 12 with 5005 views | Lord_Lucan |
Mmmm
Actually I think Trump might flatten the place, to be honest if there is one country when there is a legitimate reason for regime change it is N Korea.
Getting rid of the dictatorship there should result in a relatively easy aftermath as the S Koreans would embrace their brothers much like what happened in E / W Germany. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:01 - Aug 12 with 4986 views | Guthrum |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 13:54 - Aug 12 by Lord_Lucan |
Mmmm
Actually I think Trump might flatten the place, to be honest if there is one country when there is a legitimate reason for regime change it is N Korea.
Getting rid of the dictatorship there should result in a relatively easy aftermath as the S Koreans would embrace their brothers much like what happened in E / W Germany. |
You mean the financial strain which nearly took down the West German economy? This would be ten times worse than that. South Korea doesn't really want the North unless a heck of a lot of reconstruction (paid for by someone else) has been done first.
In any case, the Chinese would not be happy at having a US ally, potentially with troops stationed, on the Yalu River.
Probably the best hope is a Chinese-sponsored coup, followed by a Beijing-sponsored (and much less aggressive) puppet regime. Especially if a refugee crisis can also be avoided. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:03 - Aug 12 with 4980 views | J2BLUE |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 13:54 - Aug 12 by Lord_Lucan |
Mmmm
Actually I think Trump might flatten the place, to be honest if there is one country when there is a legitimate reason for regime change it is N Korea.
Getting rid of the dictatorship there should result in a relatively easy aftermath as the S Koreans would embrace their brothers much like what happened in E / W Germany. |
He's not going to go peacefully though is he? The second America make their move he's going to target Japan, South Korea, Guam etc.
I hope America go it alone if they're going to do it. Or do it with South Korea. I'm sure we'll be involved though because we Trump and Trump needs allies so it doesn't look like the US acting alone. | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:05 - Aug 12 with 4969 views | Luk38644 |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:03 - Aug 12 by J2BLUE |
He's not going to go peacefully though is he? The second America make their move he's going to target Japan, South Korea, Guam etc.
I hope America go it alone if they're going to do it. Or do it with South Korea. I'm sure we'll be involved though because we Trump and Trump needs allies so it doesn't look like the US acting alone. |
We won't get involved, we would be stupid to if we do.
This is an issue for Japan, South Korea, US, China and North Korea to sort out. |  | | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:06 - Aug 12 with 4958 views | Guthrum |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 11:41 - Aug 12 by J2BLUE |
Park Ji Sung is South Korean and on Trump's side. |
I think he means Park Geun Hye (who has now been succeeded by Moon Jae In), not Ji Sung.
Put the point is, the South Koreans do not want a war. Their backing would be vital for any US military action (use of bases, being on the receiving end of reprisals). | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:07 - Aug 12 with 4954 views | Guthrum |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:05 - Aug 12 by Luk38644 |
We won't get involved, we would be stupid to if we do.
This is an issue for Japan, South Korea, US, China and North Korea to sort out. |
Moreover we haven't got the resources in the region. | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:22 - Aug 12 with 4900 views | ElderGrizzly |
War or impeachment. What will come first?
There are meant to be big moves on the Russia investigation this week from Mueller, so this sabre rattling will continue to try and distract |  | | |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:25 - Aug 12 with 4888 views | ElderGrizzly |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:03 - Aug 12 by J2BLUE |
He's not going to go peacefully though is he? The second America make their move he's going to target Japan, South Korea, Guam etc.
I hope America go it alone if they're going to do it. Or do it with South Korea. I'm sure we'll be involved though because we Trump and Trump needs allies so it doesn't look like the US acting alone. |
We won't be involved. Not a chance.
It won't get that far anyway, but if anyone gets involved it will be South Korea and Russia. China in a difficult position | | | |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 15:00 - Aug 12 with 4827 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:06 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
I think he means Park Geun Hye (who has now been succeeded by Moon Jae In), not Ji Sung.
Put the point is, the South Koreans do not want a war. Their backing would be vital for any US military action (use of bases, being on the receiving end of reprisals). |
No I meant Park Ji Sung, but I'm glad I've started a serious discussion around the issue. | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 16:25 - Aug 12 with 4744 views | Lord_Lucan |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:01 - Aug 12 by Guthrum |
You mean the financial strain which nearly took down the West German economy? This would be ten times worse than that. South Korea doesn't really want the North unless a heck of a lot of reconstruction (paid for by someone else) has been done first.
In any case, the Chinese would not be happy at having a US ally, potentially with troops stationed, on the Yalu River.
Probably the best hope is a Chinese-sponsored coup, followed by a Beijing-sponsored (and much less aggressive) puppet regime. Especially if a refugee crisis can also be avoided. |
I appreciate you know your stuff Gunthrum but I disagree with you. I think The Yanks would be more than willing to fund a Korea revival and I also think the Korean people as a whole would love it. | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 18:42 - Aug 12 with 4656 views | connorscontract |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:03 - Aug 12 by J2BLUE |
He's not going to go peacefully though is he? The second America make their move he's going to target Japan, South Korea, Guam etc.
I hope America go it alone if they're going to do it. Or do it with South Korea. I'm sure we'll be involved though because we Trump and Trump needs allies so it doesn't look like the US acting alone. |
How many long range missiles do you think they've got?
They've test fired longer range missiles, and say that they've miniaturized a warhead, but haven't test fired a missile and warhead.
Strategically, now is possibly the last opportunity to stop them before they do that and go into full production.
KJU is a psychopath who had his Uncle executed recently and has invented the new form of execution of literally obliterating all traces of people off the earth by firing Anti-Aircraft guns at them at close range. So if he says he is going to attack Guam, it would be unwise to assume he wouldn't.
North Korea is now playing with technology at a similar level to that which precipitated the Cuba Missile Crisis. Since then the US military has been working on various Anti-missile defence systems, and got to use them during the conflicts with Saddam Hussein. If he launches at Guam, the US will have a relatively long time to track and destroy the missile. If he launches at South Korea, from close to the border, it would be more difficult. . A conventional artillery barrage on South Korea is actually the most dangerous action: it couldn't be intercepted and would create huge destruction. And it would demand a response from the South Koreans.
As others say above, a coup from within (unlikely, as credible candidates have been obliterated) or without (please, China, please) may be the only way to avoid a massively destabilising conflict. Hundreds of thousands of people could die.
And it suits Trump to move to a war footing because it would put the Russia investigation on ice.
Two Presidents who each have a need to look and act tough are backing each other into a corner. Deeply worrying times. [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 19:06]
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 20:54 - Aug 12 with 4581 views | BorisOrTrevor |
Of more concern to me is the situation in East India/Bhutan where the Chinese and Indians are squaring up.
The NK situation will be resolved I think without all hell breaking lose. Lots of bluff and bluster. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 21:10 - Aug 12 with 4561 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 14:25 - Aug 12 by ElderGrizzly |
We won't be involved. Not a chance.
It won't get that far anyway, but if anyone gets involved it will be South Korea and Russia. China in a difficult position |
No peace treaty was ever signed, only an armistice to cease hostilities, so, the Korean war has never officially ended. That was in 1953, The UK were major combatants then, so we would in someway be involved in any future military action. |  |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 21:58 - Aug 12 with 4538 views | Che |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 13:54 - Aug 12 by Lord_Lucan |
Mmmm
Actually I think Trump might flatten the place, to be honest if there is one country when there is a legitimate reason for regime change it is N Korea.
Getting rid of the dictatorship there should result in a relatively easy aftermath as the S Koreans would embrace their brothers much like what happened in E / W Germany. |
So it's ok to kill 25 million people and destroy their country because you don't like them? |  | | |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 22:08 - Aug 12 with 4522 views | Lord_Lucan |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 21:58 - Aug 12 by Che |
So it's ok to kill 25 million people and destroy their country because you don't like them? |
When have I suggested killing 25m people? | |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 23:17 - Aug 12 with 4477 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 22:08 - Aug 12 by Lord_Lucan |
When have I suggested killing 25m people? |
North Korea has nearly 6 million military personnel, roughly a quarter of the population. The only way to effectively defeat them would be nuclear weapons. That, however, won,t happen. Kim jung uns regime will eventually collapse, they have relied on cheap fuel & other basics from China & before that, the former Soviet Union. China will, in time, be responsible for the demise of the Kim dynasty, until then, the blustering & rhetoric will continue. | |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 23:21 - Aug 12 with 4469 views | wkj |
I have the feleing both Trump and Un want to drop a nuke on something, and they are loving this stand off as their ambitions may well be met- Un will see Guam as a target to punish the USA and Trump will see Un's actions as permision to push the button |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 00:23 - Aug 13 with 4431 views | Sarge |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 15:00 - Aug 12 by ThisIsMyUsername |
No I meant Park Ji Sung, but I'm glad I've started a serious discussion around the issue. |
Well I thought it was funny anyway | | | |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 00:33 - Aug 13 with 4419 views | jeera |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 21:58 - Aug 12 by Che |
So it's ok to kill 25 million people and destroy their country because you don't like them? |
With your username?
Really? |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 00:36 - Aug 13 with 4414 views | mos |
China is the swinging point.
They have relations with NK. They've been supplying NK with resources to build these ICBM (Inter-continenta-ballistic-missiles) so that NK can try and match America's armoury (though, America has a much stronger arsenal). Recently NK made advancements in their missiles, they can now reach Alaska from NK. Though, it has a slim chance of being a successful strike on Alaska, as a lot of things can intervene the missile.
China supports North Korea hugely, IMO it's all about trying to win them over, or come to some sort of peaceful end. China also have massive control over Vietnam, Vietnam's government is hugely dictated by the Chinese. In some cases, they're bribed. |  |
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| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 01:14 - Aug 13 with 4387 views | MVBlue |
| How the USA v NK situation will pan out on 18:42 - Aug 12 by connorscontract |
How many long range missiles do you think they've got?
They've test fired longer range missiles, and say that they've miniaturized a warhead, but haven't test fired a missile and warhead.
Strategically, now is possibly the last opportunity to stop them before they do that and go into full production.
KJU is a psychopath who had his Uncle executed recently and has invented the new form of execution of literally obliterating all traces of people off the earth by firing Anti-Aircraft guns at them at close range. So if he says he is going to attack Guam, it would be unwise to assume he wouldn't.
North Korea is now playing with technology at a similar level to that which precipitated the Cuba Missile Crisis. Since then the US military has been working on various Anti-missile defence systems, and got to use them during the conflicts with Saddam Hussein. If he launches at Guam, the US will have a relatively long time to track and destroy the missile. If he launches at South Korea, from close to the border, it would be more difficult. . A conventional artillery barrage on South Korea is actually the most dangerous action: it couldn't be intercepted and would create huge destruction. And it would demand a response from the South Koreans.
As others say above, a coup from within (unlikely, as credible candidates have been obliterated) or without (please, China, please) may be the only way to avoid a massively destabilising conflict. Hundreds of thousands of people could die.
And it suits Trump to move to a war footing because it would put the Russia investigation on ice.
Two Presidents who each have a need to look and act tough are backing each other into a corner. Deeply worrying times. [Post edited 12 Aug 2017 19:06]
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"As others say above, a coup from within (unlikely, as credible candidates have been obliterated) or without (please, China, please)"
So some people are begging China to come forward, take the leadership role and end the potential conflict. Interesting...
Step forward China and assume world leadership from the U.S... sooner than anticipated... |  |
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