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Didn't someone* post yesterday that the white woman does a reveal to Asian**? Would folks be happy if the white woman did the reveal to black or would peeps be upset that the white woman was used before the black woman?
*Dolly the industry insider? **The point being made that Dove was suitable for all skin types.
Personally, I see this as being as much reason for outrage as Baa Baa Black Sheep & Black Board being deemed offensive.
I saw this yesterday - their ad from 2011 with a black woman as the 'before' and a white woman as the 'after' seemed even more bizarre. In 2015 they also had the tagline 'from dark to normal skin' on a product.
It's hard to understand what positive point they are making with these adverts.
Didn't someone* post yesterday that the white woman does a reveal to Asian**? Would folks be happy if the white woman did the reveal to black or would peeps be upset that the white woman was used before the black woman?
*Dolly the industry insider? **The point being made that Dove was suitable for all skin types.
Personally, I see this as being as much reason for outrage as Baa Baa Black Sheep & Black Board being deemed offensive.
In the context you have described then that is fair enough. But the one that was used for facebook advertising only showed a black woman turning into a white woman so I can understand why it could be seen as offensive to black people.
In the context you have described then that is fair enough. But the one that was used for facebook advertising only showed a black woman turning into a white woman so I can understand why it could be seen as offensive to black people.
I know my brain is wired differently and I can be a bit of a weirdo [oh & I'm white] but the reveal is no different [for me] to Jon Voight ripping off his face to reveal Tom Cruise in the baggage car of the Eurostar in Mission Impossible... should Voight be upset that he turned into a Scientologist?
Having said that seen the other comments and there appears to be a trend. Shame as Dove did great work using real women instead of models in ads a decade ago.
I know my brain is wired differently and I can be a bit of a weirdo [oh & I'm white] but the reveal is no different [for me] to Jon Voight ripping off his face to reveal Tom Cruise in the baggage car of the Eurostar in Mission Impossible... should Voight be upset that he turned into a Scientologist?
Having said that seen the other comments and there appears to be a trend. Shame as Dove did great work using real women instead of models in ads a decade ago.
I genuinely can't believe that these ads are meant to be racist - there would be no point. I'm also very far away from being easily offended. I just can't understand how they would get through a process without someone pointing out that it might appear that one skin colour is seen as being preferable to another, or one is more 'normal'.
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Libero I don't mind a the down arrow on 10:25 - Oct 9 with 7914 views
I know my brain is wired differently and I can be a bit of a weirdo [oh & I'm white] but the reveal is no different [for me] to Jon Voight ripping off his face to reveal Tom Cruise in the baggage car of the Eurostar in Mission Impossible... should Voight be upset that he turned into a Scientologist?
Having said that seen the other comments and there appears to be a trend. Shame as Dove did great work using real women instead of models in ads a decade ago.
But please explain to me what is racist about this...
Black woman takes off sweater to reveal white woman, who takes off sweater to reveal "Asian" woman, who takes off sweater to reveal black woman... repeats.
The only constant is the container of Dove the intention being the soap is good for all skin types.
Again another example of a society that takes to social media the moment it gets slightly upset with any damn thing rather than taking action via ballot box etc.
There are multiple wars ongoing on this planet, with billions of infractions of human rights, the richest 1% of the world have as much wealth as the remaining 99%. There is enough money in the world for absolutely NO-ONE to live in poverty. Slavery, people trafficking corrupt nations, companies & individuals.
And folks get upset with Dove using an age-old TV trick where someone becomes someone else.. in this case, a black woman takes off a sweater to reveal a white woman who takes off a sweater to reveal... no need to repeat myself surely.
Shocking 'story' by the Guardian, totally failing to mention the white woman takes her top off to reveal an Asian woman, who takes her top off to reveal the black woman again, etc...
Didn't someone* post yesterday that the white woman does a reveal to Asian**? Would folks be happy if the white woman did the reveal to black or would peeps be upset that the white woman was used before the black woman?
*Dolly the industry insider? **The point being made that Dove was suitable for all skin types.
Personally, I see this as being as much reason for outrage as Baa Baa Black Sheep & Black Board being deemed offensive.
I didn't post anything on it yesterday... but have seen your link showing the full story today.
Black woman takes off sweater to reveal white woman, who takes off sweater to reveal "Asian" woman, who takes off sweater to reveal black woman... repeats.
The only constant is the container of Dove the intention being the soap is good for all skin types.
Again another example of a society that takes to social media the moment it gets slightly upset with any damn thing rather than taking action via ballot box etc.
There are multiple wars ongoing on this planet, with billions of infractions of human rights, the richest 1% of the world have as much wealth as the remaining 99%. There is enough money in the world for absolutely NO-ONE to live in poverty. Slavery, people trafficking corrupt nations, companies & individuals.
And folks get upset with Dove using an age-old TV trick where someone becomes someone else.. in this case, a black woman takes off a sweater to reveal a white woman who takes off a sweater to reveal... no need to repeat myself surely.
I'm sure Dove didn't mean to play into that deliberately, but the fact is they have, and that's what people are concerned about. Just because something isn't an issue for you or me personally, that doesn't mean it's a non-issue and people are 'getting upset about nothing'.
I genuinely can't believe that these ads are meant to be racist - there would be no point. I'm also very far away from being easily offended. I just can't understand how they would get through a process without someone pointing out that it might appear that one skin colour is seen as being preferable to another, or one is more 'normal'.
Purely as devil's advocate...
Surely the white supremacist folks should be getting upset that;- 1. The white woman doesn't come first and it is a sign of creeping overt political correctness that the black woman appears first 2. That the white woman turns into an Asian
I'm sure Dove didn't mean to play into that deliberately, but the fact is they have, and that's what people are concerned about. Just because something isn't an issue for you or me personally, that doesn't mean it's a non-issue and people are 'getting upset about nothing'.
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What have either of those links got to do with Dove? Dove aren't promoting a skin whitening cream.
Their campaign shows 3 women with different skin types taking their tops off to reveal the next woman (the message being for all skin types).
You, and others looking to be offended, are reading way too much into this IMO.
I'm sure Dove didn't mean to play into that deliberately, but the fact is they have, and that's what people are concerned about. Just because something isn't an issue for you or me personally, that doesn't mean it's a non-issue and people are 'getting upset about nothing'.
[Post edited 9 Oct 2017 11:07]
India "caste system" and all that + whitening products.
Whitening products Multi-billion pound industry arising directly from racism
Both your examples are good for highlighting the insidious way in which racism continues to permeate the world. Herbie Hancock had to use a video with robots in as there was reticence to show black artists on MTV [allegedly] http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=22025 Michael Jackson... well enough said
Racism in every form is a disgrace.
Had Dove's advert shown the black woman turning white whilst using their soap, I'd agree, but it doesn't.
The following Michael Jackson video shows black people turning into white people.. however, the song lyrics ensure contextual understanding. [oh and there's no soap container in foreground]
Libero I don't mind a the down arrow on 11:24 - Oct 9 by Dolly2.0
What have either of those links got to do with Dove? Dove aren't promoting a skin whitening cream.
Their campaign shows 3 women with different skin types taking their tops off to reveal the next woman (the message being for all skin types).
You, and others looking to be offended, are reading way too much into this IMO.
Oh for heaven's sake Dolly, I'm not 'looking to be offended', I'm simply trying to be a little bit more nuanced and explain why it might be an issue for some people. I should have known that was a waste of time these days.
Libero I don't mind a the down arrow on 12:02 - Oct 9 by BlueLikeJazz
Oh for heaven's sake Dolly, I'm not 'looking to be offended', I'm simply trying to be a little bit more nuanced and explain why it might be an issue for some people. I should have known that was a waste of time these days.
[Post edited 9 Oct 2017 12:03]
You're not being nuanced enough to talk about the full context of the ad, and you've not addressed my points either (that what you posted have nothing to do with Dove's campaign, a that the ad isn't simply a black person turning white as first reported).
Libero I don't mind a the down arrow on 13:56 - Oct 9 by StokieBlue
The trouble is loads of people nowadays are looking to be offended, you know this.
So Dove should have been a bit smarter, or more correctly, their hired advertising company should have been.
This was obviously going to happen.
SB
My point entirely. I don't believe for a single moment that there was any intent to offend or that there was any racist intent behind the ad. But this would have gone through group-think several times. Surely somebody stood up and said "hang on a minute. We are a soap company and we are turning a black girl white. This may cause offence".
Libero I don't mind a the down arrow on 14:05 - Oct 9 by GlasgowBlue
My point entirely. I don't believe for a single moment that there was any intent to offend or that there was any racist intent behind the ad. But this would have gone through group-think several times. Surely somebody stood up and said "hang on a minute. We are a soap company and we are turning a black girl white. This may cause offence".
Have you seen the full ad in Pendejo's link?
I agree they were on iffy ground but it's nowhere near as bad as portrayed in the article you linked to in the OP.
"Both your examples are good for highlighting the insidious way in which racism continues to permeate the world. Herbie Hancock had to use a video with robots in as there was reticence to show black artists on MTV [allegedly]"
...you mean the single from the album Future Shock? called Rockit? ......must've been a nightmare for them to use robots, forced into it by those racists at MTV, yeah, those guys who played Musical Youth, Bob Marley, Grace Jones and look...I could go on forever. I know you wrote allegedly...absurd would be better.
As for the statement about racism continuing to permeate the world....I'm sure you could find something a bit more recent than a 1983 music video which has nothing to do with racism.
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