| Really bad news about Adeyemi 18:51 - Oct 18 with 6016 views | Mullet |
Losing some of the best years of his career, to something he was supposedly faking and now needs surgery.
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 with 4997 views | Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:13 - Oct 18 with 4884 views | Mullet |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |
I fear the "sports science" pitch is making Hurst look a bit foolish, first Walters then this. A public apology isn't necessary, but you're right the tone is a bit weird with these announcements.
They're all his players now after all. | |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:16 - Oct 18 with 4858 views | giant_stow |
Poor sod, he's had no luck at all. |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:19 - Oct 18 with 4849 views | PJH |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:16 - Oct 18 by giant_stow |
Poor sod, he's had no luck at all. |
Yes, he even had to play for your team.
It is a shame for him because he looked like he could have been a good signing-hopefully he will eventually get back playing again. |  | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:23 - Oct 18 with 4830 views | giant_stow |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:19 - Oct 18 by PJH |
Yes, he even had to play for your team.
It is a shame for him because he looked like he could have been a good signing-hopefully he will eventually get back playing again. |
I'm sure that was a highlight for him!
I wish him well despite him playing for you lot. | |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 22:47 - Oct 18 with 4692 views | christiand |
The club should have been much more transparent with this. Whenever MM or PH have been asked about Adeyemi’s situation neither have been really convincing and seem to not fully understand what the real issue is. Whether that is them not asking the right questions, the medical team not explaining or even knowing fully the situation, it’s been one big cock up. The length of time this has taken is an utter embarrassment. Just be open and say what the problem is instead of letting speculation gather momentum. Makes you wonder what the real issues are with Huws and Bishop? Perhaps they really don’t know? [Post edited 18 Oct 2018 22:53]
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:16 - Oct 19 with 4386 views | Currie10 |
Wonder if Adeyemi will get an apology from many on here saying the usual rubbish.
Doubt it. |  | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:26 - Oct 19 with 4374 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |
He said that Bishop & Huws were doing bits with the physio this week & he's hoping they'll join in proper training on Monday.
Adeyemi went to see a specialist who said he needed the surgery.
What further detail do you want? Or, what further detail is there than that he can give? [Post edited 19 Oct 2018 10:26]
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:26 - Oct 19 with 4364 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |
I get the impression the club/manager don't really know the full in's and out's of the injuries (just an observation). As someone has pointed out, both MM and PH have been very evasive when asked about injuries to Adeyemi, Bishop and Huws.
All in all, a real shame as they're 3 players who would help us out.
EDIT - also, I can't quite remember, but did PH mention Adeyemi's name when he was 'digging' him out. Can't remember if he mentioned anyone specifically. [Post edited 19 Oct 2018 10:27]
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:27 - Oct 19 with 4349 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 21:13 - Oct 18 by Mullet |
I fear the "sports science" pitch is making Hurst look a bit foolish, first Walters then this. A public apology isn't necessary, but you're right the tone is a bit weird with these announcements.
They're all his players now after all. |
The Walters one was pure desperation from PH.
The other 3 seems beyond anyone's help. | |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 11:47 - Oct 19 with 4252 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:27 - Oct 19 by Reuser_is_God |
The Walters one was pure desperation from PH.
The other 3 seems beyond anyone's help. |
THe player said he was ready to go, the specialist dealing with Walters for years said he was ready to go, medical team said he was. Wasn't desperation as much as it seemed - everything pointed to him being fine. |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 11:58 - Oct 19 with 4210 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |
Yeah, his 'man up' comments look completely stupid now (as they did at the time too actually). |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 12:02 - Oct 19 with 4218 views | chicoazul |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 19:58 - Oct 18 by Illinoisblue |
the club/manager could and should do a better job of relaying updates on his status. Hurst's very public dig about him needing to man up probably didn't help much in that regard.
some more detail on Huws and Bishop - something beyond the weekly "they're not ready" - would go a long way to calming people down. |
NOt certain on this but I think Managers are constrained in what they can say about a players' medical condition. All our medical records are confidential after all (until Serco take over the NHS in 30 years or so). |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 12:17 - Oct 19 with 4180 views | gordon |
The language from Hurst is still really poor - these quotes make it seem like he's still questioning the judgement of the specialist / Adeyemi in deciding to have an operation.
“Tom’s having an operation on his achilles,” manager Paul Hurst revealed. “He went to see a specialist because there’s seemingly been no real improvement, despite the timeframe.
“He felt that was possibly the best course of action, which for his sake I hope it is because there’s no doubt having an operation on an achilles tendon is not something you want to really go through if possible.” |  | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 13:38 - Oct 19 with 4068 views | christiand |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:16 - Oct 19 by Currie10 |
Wonder if Adeyemi will get an apology from many on here saying the usual rubbish.
Doubt it. |
I'm big enough and ugly enough to hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong to doubt him, but my view was fuelled by the message both managers and the club were giving out about Adeyemi. More transparency certainly would have helped about his injury situation, instead of this cloak and dagger approach over the last year. | |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 13:51 - Oct 19 with 4043 views | Currie10 |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 13:38 - Oct 19 by christiand |
I'm big enough and ugly enough to hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong to doubt him, but my view was fuelled by the message both managers and the club were giving out about Adeyemi. More transparency certainly would have helped about his injury situation, instead of this cloak and dagger approach over the last year. |
Good man.
Hurst's comments made me feel very uncomfortable. | | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:28 - Oct 19 with 3987 views | PhilTWTD |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 22:47 - Oct 18 by christiand |
The club should have been much more transparent with this. Whenever MM or PH have been asked about Adeyemi’s situation neither have been really convincing and seem to not fully understand what the real issue is. Whether that is them not asking the right questions, the medical team not explaining or even knowing fully the situation, it’s been one big cock up. The length of time this has taken is an utter embarrassment. Just be open and say what the problem is instead of letting speculation gather momentum. Makes you wonder what the real issues are with Huws and Bishop? Perhaps they really don’t know? [Post edited 18 Oct 2018 22:53]
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Was a different injury last season, so not really relevant, although Mick was never one to get involved in talking about the situation with long-term injured players, I got the impression he let the physios get on with it for the most part.
Last season was essentially a case of having a hamstring problem which kept recurring on a couple of occasions when he returned. That was sorted by the start of pre-season and then a couple of weeks later he suffered the achilles injury.
I was surprised when Paul H made the comments about TA in the summer, although I think they were taken slightly out of context by some on here. Whereas some seemed to think he was suggesting TA was swinging the lead, I think he was saying TA was being overly cautious because he had had so many breakdowns with the previous injury.
Surgery is always a last resort, so perhaps not a surprise it has taken a little while to get to that point. They try other approaches first, then if they don't work they opt for a op. |  | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:31 - Oct 19 with 3980 views | PhilTWTD |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 10:26 - Oct 19 by Kieran_Knows |
I get the impression the club/manager don't really know the full in's and out's of the injuries (just an observation). As someone has pointed out, both MM and PH have been very evasive when asked about injuries to Adeyemi, Bishop and Huws.
All in all, a real shame as they're 3 players who would help us out.
EDIT - also, I can't quite remember, but did PH mention Adeyemi's name when he was 'digging' him out. Can't remember if he mentioned anyone specifically. [Post edited 19 Oct 2018 10:27]
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He did mention him specifically, I asked the question and I was asking about him specifically.
Mick never seemed interested in getting into discussions about long-term injured players. And, of course, on at least one occasions took a question about what the process of Huws's non-surgical recovery was to be a criticism when nothing of the sort was intended. | | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:35 - Oct 19 with 3962 views | PhilTWTD |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 11:47 - Oct 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
THe player said he was ready to go, the specialist dealing with Walters for years said he was ready to go, medical team said he was. Wasn't desperation as much as it seemed - everything pointed to him being fine. |
Indeed, the available evidence didn't point to giving him 20 minutes or so being such a risk. Experienced players are usually trusted to judge whether they feel an ongoing problem is a particular concern and the specialist wasn't unhappy either. | | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:36 - Oct 19 with 3956 views | Superfrans |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:28 - Oct 19 by PhilTWTD |
Was a different injury last season, so not really relevant, although Mick was never one to get involved in talking about the situation with long-term injured players, I got the impression he let the physios get on with it for the most part.
Last season was essentially a case of having a hamstring problem which kept recurring on a couple of occasions when he returned. That was sorted by the start of pre-season and then a couple of weeks later he suffered the achilles injury.
I was surprised when Paul H made the comments about TA in the summer, although I think they were taken slightly out of context by some on here. Whereas some seemed to think he was suggesting TA was swinging the lead, I think he was saying TA was being overly cautious because he had had so many breakdowns with the previous injury.
Surgery is always a last resort, so perhaps not a surprise it has taken a little while to get to that point. They try other approaches first, then if they don't work they opt for a op. |
I seem to recall that it was said about one of our injured players (maybe in the spring or summer) that there were potentially two routes forward, one involved surgery, the other didn’t - that we were progressing with them without surgery as it was hoped that could be avoided.
Was that Adeyemi? If so, what has now been decided is entirely consistent with the way he has been treated by the club.
Of course it’s not good if a manager implies a player is swinging the lead if he isn’t. It sounds as if Adeyemi has simply been very unlucky. |  |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:40 - Oct 19 with 3944 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:36 - Oct 19 by Superfrans |
I seem to recall that it was said about one of our injured players (maybe in the spring or summer) that there were potentially two routes forward, one involved surgery, the other didn’t - that we were progressing with them without surgery as it was hoped that could be avoided.
Was that Adeyemi? If so, what has now been decided is entirely consistent with the way he has been treated by the club.
Of course it’s not good if a manager implies a player is swinging the lead if he isn’t. It sounds as if Adeyemi has simply been very unlucky. |
It was Huws, if I'm correct (with regards to your first paragraph). | |
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:55 - Oct 19 with 3913 views | Townly |
I just cannot see him playing for us again. The longer it goes on the less chance there is that there will be a place for him, especially if others assume full fitness first.
He'll probably move up the road on a free after receiving a decent wage and full treatment costs at ITFC for a season or so. They have an issue with a lack of home grown players in their match day squad apparently so a fully fit and versatile Tom Adeyemi would be a useful fit, particularly as they have form as a pairing. [Post edited 19 Oct 2018 14:56]
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| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:58 - Oct 19 with 3903 views | PhilTWTD |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:40 - Oct 19 by Kieran_Knows |
It was Huws, if I'm correct (with regards to your first paragraph). |
I think that's right as well, although there may have been others. The situation with Gerken's hip was similar as well. | | | |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 14:58 - Oct 19 with 3903 views | Darth_Koont |
| Really bad news about Adeyemi on 22:47 - Oct 18 by christiand |
The club should have been much more transparent with this. Whenever MM or PH have been asked about Adeyemi’s situation neither have been really convincing and seem to not fully understand what the real issue is. Whether that is them not asking the right questions, the medical team not explaining or even knowing fully the situation, it’s been one big cock up. The length of time this has taken is an utter embarrassment. Just be open and say what the problem is instead of letting speculation gather momentum. Makes you wonder what the real issues are with Huws and Bishop? Perhaps they really don’t know? [Post edited 18 Oct 2018 22:53]
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Not sure how the club can be more transparent with situations that aren't even transparent for specialists.
As fans all we need to know is if they're available for the next game or probably in the next month or two. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.
This is also the extent of the manager's knowledge and what they can deal with.
We might not like it but otherwise we're asking for answers that don't exist. And the worse thing we can do is fill in the gaps ourselves (or make stuff up in some cases) as that really doesn't help anyone. |  |
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