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Hey Brexiteers! 03:15 - Jun 3 with 3544 viewsSpruceMoose

Is this what you had in mind when you voted out?

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Hey Brexiteers! on 07:11 - Jun 3 with 2137 viewsKeaneish

The NHS was gradually being privatised long before marginalised and disgruntled people decided to rebel against main stream politics.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 08:24 - Jun 3 with 2047 viewsfactual_blue

Hey Brexiteers! on 07:11 - Jun 3 by Keaneish

The NHS was gradually being privatised long before marginalised and disgruntled people decided to rebel against main stream politics.


Does that make it OK to sell it to Americans?

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Hey Brexiteers! on 08:32 - Jun 3 with 2028 viewsnever_lose_the_faith

Did you have an Eu army in mind when joined
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Hey Brexiteers! on 08:56 - Jun 3 with 1982 viewsdickie

Hey Brexiteers! on 08:32 - Jun 3 by never_lose_the_faith

Did you have an Eu army in mind when joined


No, but I wouldn't have a problem with one theoretically
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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:01 - Jun 3 with 1974 viewscaught-in-limbo

Hey Brexiteers! on 08:32 - Jun 3 by never_lose_the_faith

Did you have an Eu army in mind when joined


Don't use the term "EU Army". It's a "defence union".
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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:03 - Jun 3 with 1971 viewsWeWereZombies

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:01 - Jun 3 by caught-in-limbo

Don't use the term "EU Army". It's a "defence union".
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Actually it's called NATO and it extends beyond the European Union.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:06 - Jun 3 with 1973 viewsfactual_blue

Hey Brexiteers! on 08:32 - Jun 3 by never_lose_the_faith

Did you have an Eu army in mind when joined


The problem with that being?

When framing your answer, please refer to the greater historical military prowess of both France and Germany.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:14 - Jun 3 with 1948 viewshampstead_blue

and Jeremy Hunt kicked that into the long grass on the Today program.

Look, if the NHS can procure better, cheaper, products from the USA then why not?

Is that bad?

I'm not talking services, just product.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:15 - Jun 3 with 1949 viewsKeaneish

Hey Brexiteers! on 08:24 - Jun 3 by factual_blue

Does that make it OK to sell it to Americans?


Of course not but it would be naive to think that Brexit and those who voted for Brexit are responsible for the NHS being privatised. Hospital Corporation of America and Tenet Healthcare were forging partnerships with the NHS way before the Brexit vote - US Insurance companies have also been in the mix for a while now too.

The irony of this is that those who voted for Brexit were voting against marginalisation from the establishment. Now those voters will be vilified for events and policies coming to fruition in the wake of Brexit, which no doubt will be lazy front page tabloid finger pointing devoured by many of the soundbite media generation flying the remain flag.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:16 - Jun 3 with 1943 viewscaught-in-limbo

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:03 - Jun 3 by WeWereZombies

Actually it's called NATO and it extends beyond the European Union.


Actually, EU defence union is something else in addition to NATO.


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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:16 - Jun 3 with 1953 viewsBlueBadger

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:14 - Jun 3 by hampstead_blue

and Jeremy Hunt kicked that into the long grass on the Today program.

Look, if the NHS can procure better, cheaper, products from the USA then why not?

Is that bad?

I'm not talking services, just product.


'Cheaper' invariably turns out to be vastly different to 'better' or even its sexy cousin 'more efficient'.

A few years ago my trust changed their bin bag suppliers, the new ones cost about 30% less. Trouble was, they're so thin that the housekeepers now have to put two bags in each bin.

The same has happened, nationally, writ large with the 111/NHS direct service. The original NHS Direct was staffed with mostly experienced nurses and was demonstrated to successfully prevent thousands of A&E attendances. The incoming Tory-led coalition scrapped it in 2011 and replaced it with the largely private-run 111 which was staffed mostly by untrained script monkeys. Because call handlers were untrained, the phone script had to be much tighter and allow for little to no clinical expertise and therefore goes for the 'call and ambulance/go to A&E option very quickly indeed. In the year following national roll-out, A&E attendances shot up.
The cost of an NHS direct call to the taxpayer was ツ」20 a call, 111 around ツ」8.50.
And A&E attendance costs, on average, ツ」138.
Austerity and privatisation is a false economy.
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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:19 - Jun 3 with 1921 viewsfactual_blue

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:15 - Jun 3 by Keaneish

Of course not but it would be naive to think that Brexit and those who voted for Brexit are responsible for the NHS being privatised. Hospital Corporation of America and Tenet Healthcare were forging partnerships with the NHS way before the Brexit vote - US Insurance companies have also been in the mix for a while now too.

The irony of this is that those who voted for Brexit were voting against marginalisation from the establishment. Now those voters will be vilified for events and policies coming to fruition in the wake of Brexit, which no doubt will be lazy front page tabloid finger pointing devoured by many of the soundbite media generation flying the remain flag.


To summarise, the tories are responsible for both.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:22 - Jun 3 with 1913 viewsKeaneish

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:19 - Jun 3 by factual_blue

To summarise, the tories are responsible for both.


In short, yes! As well as being responsible for this farcical situation we're in now!
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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:33 - Jun 3 with 1871 viewsHerbivore

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:15 - Jun 3 by Keaneish

Of course not but it would be naive to think that Brexit and those who voted for Brexit are responsible for the NHS being privatised. Hospital Corporation of America and Tenet Healthcare were forging partnerships with the NHS way before the Brexit vote - US Insurance companies have also been in the mix for a while now too.

The irony of this is that those who voted for Brexit were voting against marginalisation from the establishment. Now those voters will be vilified for events and policies coming to fruition in the wake of Brexit, which no doubt will be lazy front page tabloid finger pointing devoured by many of the soundbite media generation flying the remain flag.


Yeah, it was definitely too much to ask for people to give more than 5 minutes thought to the implication of their vote.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:41 - Jun 3 with 1841 viewsStokieBlue

"Lib Dem leadership contender and MP Ed Davey said: "The US ambassador today let the cat out of the bag. Our NHS is indeed up for sale under the Conservatives."

That's pretty lazy from him though - no conservatives said anything of the sort in that interview, it was the US ambassador stating what the US would put/want on the table to get a trade deal regardless of who they are negotiating with.

He might be right (and probably is) but it's a false premise to link that interview and the Tories and MPs should know better.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:42 - Jun 3 with 1837 viewsBlueBadger

Hey Brexiteers! on 08:32 - Jun 3 by never_lose_the_faith

Did you have an Eu army in mind when joined


I understand that the cavalry in the army were going to ride all the unicorns that the Brexit movement have now reclaimed for us.
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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:43 - Jun 3 with 1830 viewsWeWereZombies

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:16 - Jun 3 by caught-in-limbo

Actually, EU defence union is something else in addition to NATO.



Wow, interconnectedness exists, woe is us, globalisation has won and neither of us ever has any hope of being boss of the World. Might as well end it all now...

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:49 - Jun 3 with 1817 viewsWeWereZombies

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:41 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue

"Lib Dem leadership contender and MP Ed Davey said: "The US ambassador today let the cat out of the bag. Our NHS is indeed up for sale under the Conservatives."

That's pretty lazy from him though - no conservatives said anything of the sort in that interview, it was the US ambassador stating what the US would put/want on the table to get a trade deal regardless of who they are negotiating with.

He might be right (and probably is) but it's a false premise to link that interview and the Tories and MPs should know better.

SB


Although it is good to see an MP sharing the same concerns as us ordinary folk, and it is easier to prevent something happening by putting safeguards in place despite the form not aligning with the content rather than to try and recover a situation after the event when the players just say 'well, we followed procedure but this is how it turned out'. Remember PFI?

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:53 - Jun 3 with 1806 viewsStokieBlue

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:49 - Jun 3 by WeWereZombies

Although it is good to see an MP sharing the same concerns as us ordinary folk, and it is easier to prevent something happening by putting safeguards in place despite the form not aligning with the content rather than to try and recover a situation after the event when the players just say 'well, we followed procedure but this is how it turned out'. Remember PFI?


I'm not sure that's the point I was making. It was more that the Lib Dem MP basically made up a correlation in order to have a pop at the Tories. Loads would be up in arms if MPs from other parties did that.

On the actual subject, we are totally in agreement.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 09:56 - Jun 3 with 1800 viewsBlueBadger

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:41 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue

"Lib Dem leadership contender and MP Ed Davey said: "The US ambassador today let the cat out of the bag. Our NHS is indeed up for sale under the Conservatives."

That's pretty lazy from him though - no conservatives said anything of the sort in that interview, it was the US ambassador stating what the US would put/want on the table to get a trade deal regardless of who they are negotiating with.

He might be right (and probably is) but it's a false premise to link that interview and the Tories and MPs should know better.

SB


A major sticking point between the EU and US in making trade arrangements has been the opening of public services to private interests.
I doubt the strength or political will exist to resist this once we're out of the EU, particularly if the economy is tanking in the wake of a no-deal exit.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 10:40 - Jun 3 with 1724 viewspickles110564

Give it a rest, why not talk about football for a change?
I keep forgetting this toon creation of yours is just there to cause trouble not for sensible conversation.
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Hey Brexiteers! on 10:43 - Jun 3 with 1716 viewsStokieBlue

Hey Brexiteers! on 10:40 - Jun 3 by pickles110564

Give it a rest, why not talk about football for a change?
I keep forgetting this toon creation of yours is just there to cause trouble not for sensible conversation.


He's asked a sensible question.

You've decided to have a pop at him rather than answer. I think you might want to look inward rather than projecting that anger outward.

Out of interest to you have a view on the subject matter?

SB

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Hey Brexiteers! on 10:48 - Jun 3 with 1694 viewsGuthrum

Yes, it's precisely what some of them were hoping for. The chance to make money in the sell-off of the UK. There will be fat fees and commissions to be earnt, plus the opportunity to short-sell if everything goes badly wrong.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 10:56 - Jun 3 with 1666 viewsBlueBadger

Hey Brexiteers! on 10:40 - Jun 3 by pickles110564

Give it a rest, why not talk about football for a change?
I keep forgetting this toon creation of yours is just there to cause trouble not for sensible conversation.


Ironically enough, the only person not engaging in sensible debate is you, here.

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Hey Brexiteers! on 11:17 - Jun 3 with 1639 viewsfactual_blue

Hey Brexiteers! on 09:06 - Jun 3 by factual_blue

The problem with that being?

When framing your answer, please refer to the greater historical military prowess of both France and Germany.


Still waiting for the rebuttal, rather than the ill-informed down arrow....

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