| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle 19:38 - Nov 7 with 3173 views | MaySixth |
Hopefully not forgotten for the league game [Post edited 7 Nov 2020 19:39]
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 19:42 - Nov 7 with 3143 views | IpswichKnight |
You just know they will go down like a WWE superstar and we’ll end up playing with 10.....again. |  | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 19:43 - Nov 7 with 3124 views | MaySixth |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 19:42 - Nov 7 by IpswichKnight |
You just know they will go down like a WWE superstar and we’ll end up playing with 10.....again. |
Definite shades of that today
Any time that was any kind of contact, Portsmouth arms were outstretched | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 19:50 - Nov 7 with 3085 views | IpswichKnight |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 19:43 - Nov 7 by MaySixth |
Definite shades of that today
Any time that was any kind of contact, Portsmouth arms were outstretched |
We’re such a nice team, any other team would have stopped play and surrounded the ref until he sent him off, what did we do shrug and play on. We have to start playing the ref and start getting done dodgy decisions going our way if that means we roll around clutching faces of legs and surround the ref we should do it, as they say when in Rome! | | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 20:23 - Nov 7 with 3014 views | Ftnfwest |
It’s another aspect of how we’re rubbish at cheating and intimidation. Any other team would have been all over the ref and in his face. |  | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 20:27 - Nov 7 with 2993 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
What I do hope is that referees see these sort of things and keep an eye out for the player who has that challenge in them.
Likewise, Johnson at Lincoln and his tendency to dive and don't give it unless it is absolutely 100% nailed on. |  |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 20:40 - Nov 7 with 2939 views | Illinoisblue |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 20:23 - Nov 7 by Ftnfwest |
It’s another aspect of how we’re rubbish at cheating and intimidation. Any other team would have been all over the ref and in his face. |
There is a lot of truth in that. |  |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:50 - Nov 7 with 2797 views | Garv |
I only saw it at the time so maybe need to watch it back, but I have to say I don't think it was a foul, unless it's technically viewed as too forceful. It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass, won the ball and took the man at the same time.
If we'd had a man sent off for that we'll all be complaining that he got the ball. |  |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:51 - Nov 7 with 2795 views | Suffolktractor |
He was dangerously fired up and even at the final whistle seemed up for a fight. | | | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 23:48 - Nov 7 with 2713 views | MaySixth |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:51 - Nov 7 by Suffolktractor |
He was dangerously fired up and even at the final whistle seemed up for a fight. |
Couldn't even take a throw-in
Terrible player | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 00:05 - Nov 8 with 2691 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 20:23 - Nov 7 by Ftnfwest |
It’s another aspect of how we’re rubbish at cheating and intimidation. Any other team would have been all over the ref and in his face. |
He also went in a bit naughty on Nolan after the whistle had gone. Thought Nolo was about to roll around but then bounced back up.
Milk the sh*t out of it, because you can bet your last dollar the opposition would against you. |  |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 00:10 - Nov 8 with 2687 views | MaySixth |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:50 - Nov 7 by Garv |
I only saw it at the time so maybe need to watch it back, but I have to say I don't think it was a foul, unless it's technically viewed as too forceful. It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass, won the ball and took the man at the same time.
If we'd had a man sent off for that we'll all be complaining that he got the ball. |
Yes, you need to watch it back | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 00:32 - Nov 8 with 2672 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 00:10 - Nov 8 by MaySixth |
Yes, you need to watch it back |
No to be fair to Garv, I thought on initial thoughts it was horrendous, would personally describe it as a ‘little naughty’, due to force/stud showing, but looked as though he made solid contact with the ball.
Doesn’t take away from the fact it was opportunity for the dark arts to shine through, something opposition players wouldn’t think twice about doing against us, see Grant Leadbitter rolling around. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 16:42]
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 08:51 - Nov 8 with 2541 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 00:32 - Nov 8 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
No to be fair to Garv, I thought on initial thoughts it was horrendous, would personally describe it as a ‘little naughty’, due to force/stud showing, but looked as though he made solid contact with the ball.
Doesn’t take away from the fact it was opportunity for the dark arts to shine through, something opposition players wouldn’t think twice about doing against us, see Grant Leadbitter rolling around. [Post edited 8 Nov 2020 16:42]
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I wasn't calling for it to be a red card but the galling fact is it was worse than Dozzell's tackle midweek and apparently not even a foul. | | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 08:58 - Nov 8 with 2529 views | hoppy |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:50 - Nov 7 by Garv |
I only saw it at the time so maybe need to watch it back, but I have to say I don't think it was a foul, unless it's technically viewed as too forceful. It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass, won the ball and took the man at the same time.
If we'd had a man sent off for that we'll all be complaining that he got the ball. |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 15:21 - Nov 8 with 2377 views | patrickswell |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:50 - Nov 7 by Garv |
I only saw it at the time so maybe need to watch it back, but I have to say I don't think it was a foul, unless it's technically viewed as too forceful. It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass, won the ball and took the man at the same time.
If we'd had a man sent off for that we'll all be complaining that he got the ball. |
We’re always getting men sent off for challenges like that.
I’ve no faith in officials at this level at all. It’s crossed the line from human error to something far more sinister. |  | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:25 - Nov 8 with 2318 views | Garv |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 08:58 - Nov 8 by hoppy |
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That doesn't prove a thing really.
We were done over yesterday, obviously. There's enough controversy in our games and football in general, frankly I don't think we need to bring things like this up. Did Lambert and co. even mention this? Maybe but I don't think so. You'd think he and Taylor would be the first to shout and scream if it was widely viewed as a red.
We're all bored of nothing tackles being given as fouls (I'm not saying this one was that) and too many sending offs for breathing on your opponent, so a tackle where the ball was won I don't think is something that needs to be talked about that much. I winced as I watched it, I'll admit, but having watched the replay I concluded that it looked worse than it was. Appreciate I'm in the minority here though. | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:34 - Nov 8 with 2285 views | hoppy |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:25 - Nov 8 by Garv |
That doesn't prove a thing really.
We were done over yesterday, obviously. There's enough controversy in our games and football in general, frankly I don't think we need to bring things like this up. Did Lambert and co. even mention this? Maybe but I don't think so. You'd think he and Taylor would be the first to shout and scream if it was widely viewed as a red.
We're all bored of nothing tackles being given as fouls (I'm not saying this one was that) and too many sending offs for breathing on your opponent, so a tackle where the ball was won I don't think is something that needs to be talked about that much. I winced as I watched it, I'll admit, but having watched the replay I concluded that it looked worse than it was. Appreciate I'm in the minority here though. |
It does show that “...It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass...” wasn’t actually the case. It calls into question the consistency of refereeing, where a lesser challenge a few days earlier results in a straight red card which is then upheld on appeal, yet this one, at best an equally bad challenge doesn’t even warrant a yellow card... | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:34 - Nov 8 with 2286 views | Garv |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 08:51 - Nov 8 by tractorboy1978 |
I wasn't calling for it to be a red card but the galling fact is it was worse than Dozzell's tackle midweek and apparently not even a foul. |
I do wonder how much people would be talking about that one yesterday if we hadn't just come off the back of the Dozzell one.
We can chunter all we want about Dozzell but it doesn't make yesterday's anymore of a red card. Neither one was for me. | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 17:24 - Nov 8 with 2219 views | Garv |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:34 - Nov 8 by hoppy |
It does show that “...It wasn't studs up, in fact his studs were pretty much facing the grass...” wasn’t actually the case. It calls into question the consistency of refereeing, where a lesser challenge a few days earlier results in a straight red card which is then upheld on appeal, yet this one, at best an equally bad challenge doesn’t even warrant a yellow card... |
He's on the way down though, and ultimately he gets a huge chunk of the ball. The fact that he's fully off the floor (in that still at least) does support the argument however. I'm not saying it's never a red, but I don' think there should be uproar of it not being given.
'It calls into question the consistency of refereeing' - probably, but I don't really like the word consistency. Rarely are two tackles exactly the same, so how can you consistently give the same decision? Football isn't consistent, referees are humans so will always apply their own judgement, this is completely natural. There has to be an acceptance of an element of inconsistency.
I'll end this by reiterating that Dozzell's was not a red card. I'd rather neither of them were given. Hypothetically, if we were able to appeal against the fact that yesterday's wasn't given, I reckon we would win, but I think it would still make both decisions incorrect. | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 17:39 - Nov 8 with 2188 views | PhilTWTD |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 22:51 - Nov 7 by Suffolktractor |
He was dangerously fired up and even at the final whistle seemed up for a fight. |
Seemed to be afters from Kenlock making the challenge on him as he shot just before the whistle. Also claimed a Town player had punched him, although not sure anyone saw that. |  | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 07:18 - Nov 9 with 1990 views | Hullblue |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 23:48 - Nov 7 by MaySixth |
Couldn't even take a throw-in
Terrible player |
Not sure if you're joking or not but...
He's 18 and I thought he was outstanding! The maturity and confidence he played with was top notch for me. Tackle and aggro aside, of course. |  |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 09:41 - Nov 9 with 1905 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 07:18 - Nov 9 by Hullblue |
Not sure if you're joking or not but...
He's 18 and I thought he was outstanding! The maturity and confidence he played with was top notch for me. Tackle and aggro aside, of course. |
Personally I thought he was useless too. |  | | |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 09:54 - Nov 9 with 1888 views | Hullblue |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 09:41 - Nov 9 by JohnWarksTash |
Personally I thought he was useless too. |
Fair enough! Game of opinions and all that. | |
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| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 09:58 - Nov 9 with 1884 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Haji Mngoa - could have ended McGuiness career with that tackle on 16:25 - Nov 8 by Garv |
That doesn't prove a thing really.
We were done over yesterday, obviously. There's enough controversy in our games and football in general, frankly I don't think we need to bring things like this up. Did Lambert and co. even mention this? Maybe but I don't think so. You'd think he and Taylor would be the first to shout and scream if it was widely viewed as a red.
We're all bored of nothing tackles being given as fouls (I'm not saying this one was that) and too many sending offs for breathing on your opponent, so a tackle where the ball was won I don't think is something that needs to be talked about that much. I winced as I watched it, I'll admit, but having watched the replay I concluded that it looked worse than it was. Appreciate I'm in the minority here though. |
From the Laws of the game: "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play." serious foul play = red card.
It's clearly a lunge, out of control. I suppose there may be question marks over whether it was excessive force rather than what we often call robust challenge. But more force was used than in Dozza's red card incident earlier in the week. At the very least it highlights inconsistencies. On the balance of it though, I think he was lucky to stay on the pitch. |  |
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