| Passing it about at the back 08:41 - Nov 11 with 2563 views | MonkeyAlan |
It doesnt hurt the opposition they just sit back and let us have it. We then punt it forward aimlessly. Because our midfield is so far back from the guy up top it's the only way we get it up there. This system Lambert seems to have adopted has no pace, no penetration, no urgency. It's basically ineffective. He keeps saying it's fantastic football, he must be dillusional. I suppose he has pulled the wool over Evans eyes though and that's all that matters. Evans you muppet! |  | | |  |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:52 - Nov 11 with 2533 views | braveblue |
So why do all the top clubs do it? |  | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:59 - Nov 11 with 2521 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:52 - Nov 11 by braveblue |
So why do all the top clubs do it? |
Because the "top" clubs do it correctly
Keep it at the , knock it around waiting for a hole to appear between the lines but we're not either good enough or quick enough...or both
The two wide front players should come inside to confuse and over load the two centre halves at the right time supported by our midfield BUT...we just don't
Our two wide players just stay out wide for the most and then the loan striker isn't backed up by the midfield
If you're going to play a system , play with some intent rather than just playing it for playing it's sake |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 09:00 - Nov 11 with 2519 views | homer_123 |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:52 - Nov 11 by braveblue |
So why do all the top clubs do it? |
The difference between us and the top clubs on this:
1. They do it with a purpose (which over the last 5 or 6 games, we seem to have lost)
2. They do it at pace or at least different tempos in an attempt to draw the opposition out of position to make space for an attack (we tend to be slow, ponderous and single tempoed)
3. They have technically better players than us that are less likely to make mistakes (we get punished playing this way against better teams)
As I posted last night, I would actually be happy given this style some time to develop if it wasn't so painfully obvious we have gone backwards in the last 5 or 6 games.
At the start of the season, we pressed and harried with pace and desire, we moved the ball quickly, with confidence. Of late, we look exactly like last year all over again, even taking into account injuries, we are going backwards, not forwards. |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 09:05 - Nov 11 with 2503 views | witchdoctor |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:59 - Nov 11 by Metal_Hacker |
Because the "top" clubs do it correctly
Keep it at the , knock it around waiting for a hole to appear between the lines but we're not either good enough or quick enough...or both
The two wide front players should come inside to confuse and over load the two centre halves at the right time supported by our midfield BUT...we just don't
Our two wide players just stay out wide for the most and then the loan striker isn't backed up by the midfield
If you're going to play a system , play with some intent rather than just playing it for playing it's sake |
just as well there are no crowds at the mo..I don’t think they would get away with all the tippy tally pass backs they seem to favour..personally I was going nuts at the telly watching the Pompey game in the first half...like others have said it’d fine if there was an end product but invariably it just end up with a hoof......😣 |  | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 09:15 - Nov 11 with 2480 views | BryanPlug |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:52 - Nov 11 by braveblue |
So why do all the top clubs do it? |
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| Passing it about at the back on 09:19 - Nov 11 with 2473 views | clive_baker |
There seems to be a misconception that passing the leather off the ball at the back = good & attractive football. It's not, and there's more than one way to skin a cat. I don't believe we really have the quality on the ball defensively / GK to adopt this approach personally, because we're too slow and ponderous in possession which allows our opponent to revert to their defensive shape, and on the rare occasion we create space we often cant execute the right ball. We need to go a little more direct at times, not always, but we're too predictable and need to mix it up. If I were managing against us I would be more than happy for our back 4 and keeper to have the ball. It's all very laboured and easy to play against, which is frustrating because in terms of personnel I really do think our first XI + 3 or 4 is a strong enough core 15 to be dominant at this level, I just wish we would take the handbrake off a little and get the ball up the pitch quicker, play to our strengths and importantly understand our limitations. We're playing largely mediocre opposition at this level and too often we rarely ask any questions of them. |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 09:28 - Nov 11 with 2449 views | MrTown |
It depends how good you are at breaking through the lines, and more importantly how confident you are breaking the first line from the defence.
Once you have broken the first line into middle, don't then come out, recycle and start again, keep moving through.
But we recycle and recycle without ever breaking the lines.
And it's sooooo easy for teams to defend against. |  |
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| Did you mean on 09:33 - Nov 11 with 2436 views | Swansea_Blue |
Pissing about at the back?
No problem recycling back to the defence to go again, but you're right - they can't do much if there isn't the system in place in front of them. |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 09:36 - Nov 11 with 2425 views | Scuzzer |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:59 - Nov 11 by Metal_Hacker |
Because the "top" clubs do it correctly
Keep it at the , knock it around waiting for a hole to appear between the lines but we're not either good enough or quick enough...or both
The two wide front players should come inside to confuse and over load the two centre halves at the right time supported by our midfield BUT...we just don't
Our two wide players just stay out wide for the most and then the loan striker isn't backed up by the midfield
If you're going to play a system , play with some intent rather than just playing it for playing it's sake |
If they do it correctly...why has there been so many cock ups in doing it this season.
They changed the goal kick rule to allow this disaster to happen...I think in an effort to create more goals....or maybe, as they changed it in the women's game first, it was to help them develop their game. To me it is totally contra to our PE teachers screaming at us when learning the game "DON'T PASS IT ALONG IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN GOAL!"
It's all a load of ball hooks. |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 10:05 - Nov 11 with 2393 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Passing it about at the back on 09:36 - Nov 11 by Scuzzer |
If they do it correctly...why has there been so many cock ups in doing it this season.
They changed the goal kick rule to allow this disaster to happen...I think in an effort to create more goals....or maybe, as they changed it in the women's game first, it was to help them develop their game. To me it is totally contra to our PE teachers screaming at us when learning the game "DON'T PASS IT ALONG IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN GOAL!"
It's all a load of ball hooks. |
Whilst YOU have the ball the opposition can't hurt you BUT whilst YOU have the ball , you have to be good with it ...we're not | |
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| Passing it about at the back on 10:09 - Nov 11 with 2391 views | itfcjoe |
| Passing it about at the back on 09:19 - Nov 11 by clive_baker |
There seems to be a misconception that passing the leather off the ball at the back = good & attractive football. It's not, and there's more than one way to skin a cat. I don't believe we really have the quality on the ball defensively / GK to adopt this approach personally, because we're too slow and ponderous in possession which allows our opponent to revert to their defensive shape, and on the rare occasion we create space we often cant execute the right ball. We need to go a little more direct at times, not always, but we're too predictable and need to mix it up. If I were managing against us I would be more than happy for our back 4 and keeper to have the ball. It's all very laboured and easy to play against, which is frustrating because in terms of personnel I really do think our first XI + 3 or 4 is a strong enough core 15 to be dominant at this level, I just wish we would take the handbrake off a little and get the ball up the pitch quicker, play to our strengths and importantly understand our limitations. We're playing largely mediocre opposition at this level and too often we rarely ask any questions of them. |
Teams don' even bother to press our defenders on the ball, think that changes slightly if Woolfie plays because he can pick a pass that will cut through lines.
But their triggers are clearly when it goes into midfield, if we can even force it - McG did it a couple of times on Saturday where he stepped up into the space to try and make something happen.
I watched back the PO Final recently, we pass it nicely - but the quality of Venus and McGreal with how they passed the ball, and the pace at which they did so was streets ahead of anything we've seen since |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 10:10 - Nov 11 with 2384 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Passing it about at the back on 08:59 - Nov 11 by Metal_Hacker |
Because the "top" clubs do it correctly
Keep it at the , knock it around waiting for a hole to appear between the lines but we're not either good enough or quick enough...or both
The two wide front players should come inside to confuse and over load the two centre halves at the right time supported by our midfield BUT...we just don't
Our two wide players just stay out wide for the most and then the loan striker isn't backed up by the midfield
If you're going to play a system , play with some intent rather than just playing it for playing it's sake |
I saw City do a perfect impression of us the other day: Goalkeeper, CB, RB, CB, other CB, LB, CB, CM, CB, other CB, diagonal pass straight off the pitch.
I have absolutely no problem with passing round the back - if you can do it, it's another string to your bow. If you do it ALL THE TIME, though, you get found out, and now we have all the possession but we don't get anywhere |  | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 10:15 - Nov 11 with 2363 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Passing it about at the back on 09:19 - Nov 11 by clive_baker |
There seems to be a misconception that passing the leather off the ball at the back = good & attractive football. It's not, and there's more than one way to skin a cat. I don't believe we really have the quality on the ball defensively / GK to adopt this approach personally, because we're too slow and ponderous in possession which allows our opponent to revert to their defensive shape, and on the rare occasion we create space we often cant execute the right ball. We need to go a little more direct at times, not always, but we're too predictable and need to mix it up. If I were managing against us I would be more than happy for our back 4 and keeper to have the ball. It's all very laboured and easy to play against, which is frustrating because in terms of personnel I really do think our first XI + 3 or 4 is a strong enough core 15 to be dominant at this level, I just wish we would take the handbrake off a little and get the ball up the pitch quicker, play to our strengths and importantly understand our limitations. We're playing largely mediocre opposition at this level and too often we rarely ask any questions of them. |
Norwood being back fit will hopefully see us adapt a bit. I said on here the other day that I think he's pivotal to how our season plays out. He gives us that option to go direct aerially, to go in behind or to play into his feet. Defenders know that Hawkins is never going to threaten them in behind. | | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 10:40 - Nov 11 with 2345 views | Guthrum |
Passing it about, waiting for openings which the other team are unkind enough not to give us.
As I said last night, if it was done with more energy and speed, plus better linkage with the midfield and front-men, then it might be more effective. Chambers being at RB makes a massive difference. He can not only pick a good long-range pass to break the deadlock, but is also keen to follow up by getting forwards. The last couple of matches, we've lacked the necessary incisiveness. Tho, equally, we can't expect the opposition to be cooperative most of the time.
The worst aspect in recent games has been going from attacking positions pretty much straight bach to the 'keeper, then aimlessly around in our own third. When we're up the pitch, keep the ball there and get people forward in support. We can do it when we want to. Those occasions when we turn it on often result in deft interplay, decent crosses and people trying to get on the other end. But we opt for the back-pass too often. Perhaps it's a confidence issue. |  |
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| Passing it about at the back on 10:58 - Nov 11 with 2316 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Passing it about at the back on 10:05 - Nov 11 by Metal_Hacker |
Whilst YOU have the ball the opposition can't hurt you BUT whilst YOU have the ball , you have to be good with it ...we're not |
Very true. And watching Saturday Pompey were quite happy to just sit and watch us mess around with it at the back. No penetration, no pace, no urgency. We just haven't got good players to play this way. | | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 12:02 - Nov 11 with 2267 views | RobTheMonk |
The irony is that we played hoof-ball for years and now we've got a massive lad up front it's all on the ground.
I like what we're trying to do, but the execution needs work. |  | | |
| Passing it about at the back on 12:38 - Nov 11 with 2238 views | JackPITFC |
The problem is we pass for the sake of passing and then lump it long, I just feel a manager like Cook would instill confidence in Bishop (Not that he doesn't do it anyway) and Dozzell to pick up the ball and drive at the opposition,
None of the passes are progressive at all, its always sideways and backwards, it isn't fantastic football and it makes it easy to play against sitting in against us and anticipating a mistake at the back or playing on the counter. [Post edited 11 Nov 2020 12:39]
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