| Yay capitalism! on 08:40 - Dec 31 with 1823 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I'll bite...
1) They are jobs that would be low-paid anywhere in the world. Not sure what economic model you have developed that would ensure otherwise?
2) No mention of fines in there (unless I missed it). They broke the law, whether deliberately or negligently, and I think there should be consequences. |  | |  |
| Yay capitalism! on 08:45 - Dec 31 with 1799 views | mrshallisfit |
| Yay capitalism! on 08:40 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I'll bite...
1) They are jobs that would be low-paid anywhere in the world. Not sure what economic model you have developed that would ensure otherwise?
2) No mention of fines in there (unless I missed it). They broke the law, whether deliberately or negligently, and I think there should be consequences. |
Consequences.....I bet those companies are quivering in their boots. | | | |
| Yay capitalism! on 09:01 - Dec 31 with 1764 views | Herbivore |
| Yay capitalism! on 08:40 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I'll bite...
1) They are jobs that would be low-paid anywhere in the world. Not sure what economic model you have developed that would ensure otherwise?
2) No mention of fines in there (unless I missed it). They broke the law, whether deliberately or negligently, and I think there should be consequences. |
Ah cool, so long as they're jobs that would be low paid anywhere I guess it's not really an issue. |  |
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| Yay capitalism! on 09:04 - Dec 31 with 1754 views | StokieBlue |
It's hard to know what they were thinking, they know the rules and they know any issues like this will get picked up on any audit. They claim it's a mistake of course but looks more like chancing it, it's really not hard to ensure you don't underpay people - the rules are clear.
The real problem here is that the employees clearly didn't feel they could speak up and highlight the issue for fear of their jobs. They should have been able to point it out immediately and it be sorted without getting anywhere near this far or needing to be investigated.
Incredibly poor from some big high street names.
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| Yay capitalism! on 09:56 - Dec 31 with 1687 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Yay capitalism! on 09:01 - Dec 31 by Herbivore |
Ah cool, so long as they're jobs that would be low paid anywhere I guess it's not really an issue. |
The issue is that they were illegally underpaid.
They are certainly better paid than when I did those types of jobs - even factoring in inflation. | | | |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:20 - Dec 31 with 1655 views | BlueBadger |
| Yay capitalism! on 09:04 - Dec 31 by StokieBlue |
It's hard to know what they were thinking, they know the rules and they know any issues like this will get picked up on any audit. They claim it's a mistake of course but looks more like chancing it, it's really not hard to ensure you don't underpay people - the rules are clear.
The real problem here is that the employees clearly didn't feel they could speak up and highlight the issue for fear of their jobs. They should have been able to point it out immediately and it be sorted without getting anywhere near this far or needing to be investigated.
Incredibly poor from some big high street names.
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What I suspect they were thinking was 'if we donate sufficient monies to the Conservative party, they'll do very little about this'. [Post edited 31 Dec 2020 10:20]
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:21 - Dec 31 with 1642 views | BlueBadger |
| Yay capitalism! on 08:40 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I'll bite...
1) They are jobs that would be low-paid anywhere in the world. Not sure what economic model you have developed that would ensure otherwise?
2) No mention of fines in there (unless I missed it). They broke the law, whether deliberately or negligently, and I think there should be consequences. |
So, what you're saying here is that sponging off the state is OK if you're a multi-million pound operation? | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:27 - Dec 31 with 1623 views | BlueBadger |
| Yay capitalism! on 09:56 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The issue is that they were illegally underpaid.
They are certainly better paid than when I did those types of jobs - even factoring in inflation. |
Oh well, that's alright then. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:28 - Dec 31 with 1621 views | Herbivore |
| Yay capitalism! on 09:56 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The issue is that they were illegally underpaid.
They are certainly better paid than when I did those types of jobs - even factoring in inflation. |
Personally I think there's also a bit of an issue in that the minimum wage is really not enough for people to live on. I think there's an issue when companies that make vast profits, like Tesco, do so whilst simultaneously not paying people a decent wage and then going further still by failing to meet their basic legal requirement to pay the minimum wage in all instances. The fact these jobs are better paid now than when you used to do them doesn't strike me as especially relevant. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:30 - Dec 31 with 1619 views | BlueBadger |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:28 - Dec 31 by Herbivore |
Personally I think there's also a bit of an issue in that the minimum wage is really not enough for people to live on. I think there's an issue when companies that make vast profits, like Tesco, do so whilst simultaneously not paying people a decent wage and then going further still by failing to meet their basic legal requirement to pay the minimum wage in all instances. The fact these jobs are better paid now than when you used to do them doesn't strike me as especially relevant. |
It is weird how 'sponging off the the state' is viewed as a bad thing if you are poor but perfectly acceptable if you are a multinational turning over billions a year. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:35 - Dec 31 with 1611 views | Herbivore |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:30 - Dec 31 by BlueBadger |
It is weird how 'sponging off the the state' is viewed as a bad thing if you are poor but perfectly acceptable if you are a multinational turning over billions a year. |
Well quite. People don't seem to give a stuff that companies that pay their executives millions and that generate vast profits also rely on the government to subsidise employees that they aren't prepared to pay a decent wage too. That's fine apparently, it's cool for government money to prop up in work poverty whilst companies cream off millions. But heaven forbid that the government spends money on feeding poor kids during school holidays or has a benefits system that actually works and enables vulnerable people to survive comfortably. I do marvel at the priorities of some people. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 10:37 - Dec 31 with 1608 views | BlueBadger |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:35 - Dec 31 by Herbivore |
Well quite. People don't seem to give a stuff that companies that pay their executives millions and that generate vast profits also rely on the government to subsidise employees that they aren't prepared to pay a decent wage too. That's fine apparently, it's cool for government money to prop up in work poverty whilst companies cream off millions. But heaven forbid that the government spends money on feeding poor kids during school holidays or has a benefits system that actually works and enables vulnerable people to survive comfortably. I do marvel at the priorities of some people. |
'Right wing socialism' I heard someone calling it the other week. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 12:05 - Dec 31 with 1533 views | factual_blue |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:35 - Dec 31 by Herbivore |
Well quite. People don't seem to give a stuff that companies that pay their executives millions and that generate vast profits also rely on the government to subsidise employees that they aren't prepared to pay a decent wage too. That's fine apparently, it's cool for government money to prop up in work poverty whilst companies cream off millions. But heaven forbid that the government spends money on feeding poor kids during school holidays or has a benefits system that actually works and enables vulnerable people to survive comfortably. I do marvel at the priorities of some people. |
iain duncan smith is a crass, heartless, ignorant man. But he wears very expensive suits. |  |
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| Yay capitalism! on 12:11 - Dec 31 with 1527 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Yay capitalism! on 10:28 - Dec 31 by Herbivore |
Personally I think there's also a bit of an issue in that the minimum wage is really not enough for people to live on. I think there's an issue when companies that make vast profits, like Tesco, do so whilst simultaneously not paying people a decent wage and then going further still by failing to meet their basic legal requirement to pay the minimum wage in all instances. The fact these jobs are better paid now than when you used to do them doesn't strike me as especially relevant. |
So how much do you think the minimum wage should be?
How would you mitigate the inflation for materially increasing millions of workers wages, and thus further driving up living costs?
Not advocating either way, but you don't seem to have any answers? | | | |
| Yay capitalism! on 12:56 - Dec 31 with 1466 views | noggin |
Surely the sensible thing would be to stamp down on tax avoidane and finance decent public services. |  |
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| Yay capitalism! on 12:58 - Dec 31 with 1462 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Yay capitalism! on 12:56 - Dec 31 by noggin |
Surely the sensible thing would be to stamp down on tax avoidane and finance decent public services. |
I would imagine so too. |  |
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| Yay capitalism! on 13:00 - Dec 31 with 1458 views | Herbivore |
| Yay capitalism! on 12:11 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So how much do you think the minimum wage should be?
How would you mitigate the inflation for materially increasing millions of workers wages, and thus further driving up living costs?
Not advocating either way, but you don't seem to have any answers? |
I'm not the government, mate. If I was though I'd be moving more towards models of collective worker ownership so my solutions are probably a bit too radical for you. | |
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| Yay capitalism! on 13:07 - Dec 31 with 1442 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Yay capitalism! on 12:11 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So how much do you think the minimum wage should be?
How would you mitigate the inflation for materially increasing millions of workers wages, and thus further driving up living costs?
Not advocating either way, but you don't seem to have any answers? |
https://www.livingwage.org.uk/what-real-living-wage
Educate yourself. |  |
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| Yay capitalism! on 13:21 - Dec 31 with 1426 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
That didn't answer any of my questions. | | | |
| Yay capitalism! on 14:07 - Dec 31 with 1365 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I think the wider impact to the economy is a question worth asking.
Those proposals are none too dramatic though, certainly not enough to cause rampant inflation. I think its a sensible policy to push, certainly better than some of the soundbites on offer here, | | | |
| Yay capitalism! on 14:55 - Dec 31 with 1318 views | jaykay |
| Yay capitalism! on 08:40 - Dec 31 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I'll bite...
1) They are jobs that would be low-paid anywhere in the world. Not sure what economic model you have developed that would ensure otherwise?
2) No mention of fines in there (unless I missed it). They broke the law, whether deliberately or negligently, and I think there should be consequences. |
stick to posting about ipswich town
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| Yay capitalism! on 14:59 - Dec 31 with 1316 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Yay capitalism! on 14:55 - Dec 31 by jaykay |
stick to posting about ipswich town
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Here he is right on cue!
Hello Board Police (or should that be bored).
Quite happy here thanks. Not like we are actually playing any at the moment...
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