| The Israeli army and police... 22:17 - May 14 with 1499 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
....must be absolutely riddled with racists!
Edit...“We received messages telling us that buses were coming with religious Jews who were coming to burn our houses,” she said. “That they will hurt us; that they will get into our house.” In response, men from the community had come to guard families, she said.
Asked if she felt protected by police, Al-Kada’im said that when far-right thugs had moved into her neighbourhood waving Israeli flags two nights ago, officers stood by clapping.
“These people come into the neighbourhood to dance as a provocation,” she said, “and the police were joining them.”
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| The Israeli army and police... on 22:28 - May 14 with 1436 views | noggin |
Get your tin hat on son. |  |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 22:31 - May 14 with 1430 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The Israeli army and police... on 22:28 - May 14 by noggin |
Get your tin hat on son. |
Not sure it can be argued against when racism is endemic in their wider society and with a conscript army. | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 22:35 - May 14 with 1398 views | noggin |
| The Israeli army and police... on 22:31 - May 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it can be argued against when racism is endemic in their wider society and with a conscript army. |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 00:15 - May 15 with 1264 views | Guthrum |
| The Israeli army and police... on 22:31 - May 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not sure it can be argued against when racism is endemic in their wider society and with a conscript army. |
It's not really racism. More a furious nationalism centred around the concept of being under constant threat of being erased from the map. Which, to be fair, people have tried to do and some still shout rhetoric along those lines.
That doesn't justify heavy-handed reprisals which kill more than ten times the number of their own dead. Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas.
But it is, nonetheless, the cultural background to what's happening.
All it needs is a spark - which was provided twofold, by the hard-line fanatics of the settler movement and by the Iranian desire to hit back after a series of (almost certainly) Israeli assassinations and attacks on their nuclear programme. |  |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 09:07 - May 15 with 1097 views | ElephantintheRoom |
A recent judicial finding on the antics of British army was none too encouraging either. |  |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 09:10 - May 15 with 1086 views | BABLUE |
| The Israeli army and police... on 00:15 - May 15 by Guthrum |
It's not really racism. More a furious nationalism centred around the concept of being under constant threat of being erased from the map. Which, to be fair, people have tried to do and some still shout rhetoric along those lines.
That doesn't justify heavy-handed reprisals which kill more than ten times the number of their own dead. Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas.
But it is, nonetheless, the cultural background to what's happening.
All it needs is a spark - which was provided twofold, by the hard-line fanatics of the settler movement and by the Iranian desire to hit back after a series of (almost certainly) Israeli assassinations and attacks on their nuclear programme. |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 09:30 - May 15 with 1039 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Israeli army and police... on 00:15 - May 15 by Guthrum |
It's not really racism. More a furious nationalism centred around the concept of being under constant threat of being erased from the map. Which, to be fair, people have tried to do and some still shout rhetoric along those lines.
That doesn't justify heavy-handed reprisals which kill more than ten times the number of their own dead. Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas.
But it is, nonetheless, the cultural background to what's happening.
All it needs is a spark - which was provided twofold, by the hard-line fanatics of the settler movement and by the Iranian desire to hit back after a series of (almost certainly) Israeli assassinations and attacks on their nuclear programme. |
I think you give a false balance and I don’t think it’s as much a case of both sides when we’re talking of oppression and colonization as the everyday background noise to the violence.
But that aside, I think you’re right about the counter-productive nature of the Israeli government’s stance towards Palestinians and the territories. So, why do we (following the lead of the US) back the more powerful side and even help to deny pro-Palestinian and peaceful voices? Why is Israel allowed to treat certain citizens as second-class and walk over much poorer neighbours (mirroring apartheid and its bantustans) yet boycotts and sanctions are effectively delegitimized in a way that was considered racist back in the 60s and 70s for South Africa?
Do we as a democracy bear some responsibility for allowing our support to be given however tacitly? |  |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 09:43 - May 15 with 1011 views | Bent_double |
| The Israeli army and police... on 00:15 - May 15 by Guthrum |
It's not really racism. More a furious nationalism centred around the concept of being under constant threat of being erased from the map. Which, to be fair, people have tried to do and some still shout rhetoric along those lines.
That doesn't justify heavy-handed reprisals which kill more than ten times the number of their own dead. Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas.
But it is, nonetheless, the cultural background to what's happening.
All it needs is a spark - which was provided twofold, by the hard-line fanatics of the settler movement and by the Iranian desire to hit back after a series of (almost certainly) Israeli assassinations and attacks on their nuclear programme. |
"Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas."
This is the one thing I just can't get my head around. Do the Israeli government not realise that all they're doing is creating a new generation of Israel-hating terrorists, from Palestine and the wider Arab world?
There's been some excellent reporting and coverage of the situation on C4 news this week, but there was one Israeli chap demanding the complete destruction of Gaza to stop this from ever happening again......unbelievable. |  |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 09:57 - May 15 with 980 views | Guthrum |
| The Israeli army and police... on 09:30 - May 15 by Darth_Koont |
I think you give a false balance and I don’t think it’s as much a case of both sides when we’re talking of oppression and colonization as the everyday background noise to the violence.
But that aside, I think you’re right about the counter-productive nature of the Israeli government’s stance towards Palestinians and the territories. So, why do we (following the lead of the US) back the more powerful side and even help to deny pro-Palestinian and peaceful voices? Why is Israel allowed to treat certain citizens as second-class and walk over much poorer neighbours (mirroring apartheid and its bantustans) yet boycotts and sanctions are effectively delegitimized in a way that was considered racist back in the 60s and 70s for South Africa?
Do we as a democracy bear some responsibility for allowing our support to be given however tacitly? |
I wasn't trying to provide balance, rather cultural background to why the Israelis think it reasonable to act in that manner.
I remember going to a talk by an Israeli on a supposedly non-political subject (his faith as a Messianic Jew). But what came across incredibly strongly was a siege mentality, a sense of almost the whole world being against them. Centuries of segregation, massacres, pogroms and the Final Solution will probably do that to you, even if they've had the upper hand since 1974.
In the USA, there is not only a very large Jewish community, but also a lot of of Evangelicals who believe in backing Israel at all costs (to do with End Time theology). Plus Israel is still seen as the only relatively stable democracy in the region. Thus politicians of both parties are prepared to pay that nations bills and give them weapons - tho extracting more or fewer concessions depending upon personality (and how much they want to attack Tehran).
Not saying it's justified, but that is some of the thinking behind it. | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 10:01 - May 15 with 962 views | Guthrum |
| The Israeli army and police... on 09:43 - May 15 by Bent_double |
"Nor the blockade of Gaza which, counterproductively, has thrown generations of unemployed youth into the arms of Hamas."
This is the one thing I just can't get my head around. Do the Israeli government not realise that all they're doing is creating a new generation of Israel-hating terrorists, from Palestine and the wider Arab world?
There's been some excellent reporting and coverage of the situation on C4 news this week, but there was one Israeli chap demanding the complete destruction of Gaza to stop this from ever happening again......unbelievable. |
The recent governments of Sharon and Netanyahu like to have a punch-bag to shore up their support among the hard-liners, upon whom they rely to shore up their fragile hold on power. They feel (probably rightly) that they are militarily strong enough to deal with any flare-ups. | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 10:10 - May 15 with 935 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Israeli army and police... on 09:57 - May 15 by Guthrum |
I wasn't trying to provide balance, rather cultural background to why the Israelis think it reasonable to act in that manner.
I remember going to a talk by an Israeli on a supposedly non-political subject (his faith as a Messianic Jew). But what came across incredibly strongly was a siege mentality, a sense of almost the whole world being against them. Centuries of segregation, massacres, pogroms and the Final Solution will probably do that to you, even if they've had the upper hand since 1974.
In the USA, there is not only a very large Jewish community, but also a lot of of Evangelicals who believe in backing Israel at all costs (to do with End Time theology). Plus Israel is still seen as the only relatively stable democracy in the region. Thus politicians of both parties are prepared to pay that nations bills and give them weapons - tho extracting more or fewer concessions depending upon personality (and how much they want to attack Tehran).
Not saying it's justified, but that is some of the thinking behind it. |
Fair enough.
I think the issue is that in Israel and the diaspora the conversation has headed right over the past couple of decades. I agree that the Holocaust will scar and traumatize but there were definitely more peaceful and less dogmatic voices starting to be heard. At the same time younger Jews generally were becoming more secular.
Heightening the ethno-religious nationalism elements has been the strategy to push a hardcore Israeli government’s and settlers’ interests to the fore. While also trying to keep people more connected to the religion of Judaism. Unfortunately we’ve enabled this and helped marginalize the more peaceful and rational voices that were emerging. | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 10:28 - May 15 with 904 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
F#ck the Israeli state and anyone who helps to enable it....
"Amir Ohana, the public security minister, has encouraged vigilantism, announcing on Wednesday that “law-abiding citizens carrying weapons” were an aid to authorities. He made the comments after a suspected Jewish gunman was accused of killing an Arab man in Lod. The minister, without presenting evidence, said it was in self-defence." | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 10:38 - May 15 with 879 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Some context...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/racist-and-reprehensible-jewish-po
"The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) has called Jewish Power, a party of ultranationalist extremists, “racist and reprehensible”. But on Wednesday, although votes are still being counted and success is by no means guaranteed, those same people are being courted by Israel’s longest-serving leader to join an assortment of other parties." | |
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| The Israeli army and police... on 12:27 - May 15 with 742 views | Guthrum |
| The Israeli army and police... on 10:10 - May 15 by Darth_Koont |
Fair enough.
I think the issue is that in Israel and the diaspora the conversation has headed right over the past couple of decades. I agree that the Holocaust will scar and traumatize but there were definitely more peaceful and less dogmatic voices starting to be heard. At the same time younger Jews generally were becoming more secular.
Heightening the ethno-religious nationalism elements has been the strategy to push a hardcore Israeli government’s and settlers’ interests to the fore. While also trying to keep people more connected to the religion of Judaism. Unfortunately we’ve enabled this and helped marginalize the more peaceful and rational voices that were emerging. |
Indeed.
IMO part of the worldwide trend towards populism, nationalism and the right. Hopefully the last hurrah of the old reactionaries who still wish it was the early 1970s (cheap oil, sexism, racism, Cold War and all). Of course, all of those things were beginning to crumble during that decade. | |
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