| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! 22:31 - Feb 2 with 2162 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/02/ukraine-western-talk-of-imminent-a
"Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, has again insisted that Russia does not currently have enough troops in place to mount a further invasion of Ukraine, a day after Boris Johnson travelled to Kyiv and said there was a “clear and present danger” of an imminent military campaign.
Even taken together, the troops currently massed on Ukraine’s border with Russia, on the annexed Crimea peninsula and in neighbouring Belarus, are “insufficient for a large-scale military operation”, said Kuleba in a briefing for foreign journalists on Wednesday."
Guess he must be a Russian plant.
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 22:43 - Feb 2 with 2112 views | WicklowBlue |
I'm no expert but 100k military build up on the Ukraine border is not a peace keeping operation.
Alongside the various Russian distractions such as the naval exercises off the coast of Ireland along with things such as this:
RTE news : Russia demands 'clear answer' from Govt over security
http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0202/1277437-russia-letter-irish-govt/
I assume Russia realises Ireland have literally zero means to "police" our waters. There again we equally have no means to protect the deep water cables connecting Europe to the US.
Both sides are playing media games, along with political ones too. The real truth is in the middle.... |  | | |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 23:01 - Feb 2 with 2082 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 22:43 - Feb 2 by WicklowBlue |
I'm no expert but 100k military build up on the Ukraine border is not a peace keeping operation.
Alongside the various Russian distractions such as the naval exercises off the coast of Ireland along with things such as this:
RTE news : Russia demands 'clear answer' from Govt over security
http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0202/1277437-russia-letter-irish-govt/
I assume Russia realises Ireland have literally zero means to "police" our waters. There again we equally have no means to protect the deep water cables connecting Europe to the US.
Both sides are playing media games, along with political ones too. The real truth is in the middle.... |
Yup.
Edit...it's a shame people keep joining their armies, war wouldn't get far then would it! [Post edited 2 Feb 2022 23:05]
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 23:49 - Feb 2 with 2058 views | Guthrum |
I don't personally think Putin does intend to invade Ukraine wholesale (too messy and risky*), just using a bit of leverage. Possibly hoping to bolster the Donbass rebels, or even nibble off a bit more in the south-east.
But Kuleba may simply be overestimating his nation's military capability vis-a-vis their larger neighbour. If it did come to war, there is little question that Russia could crush organised resistance in Ukraine if they really wanted to. Probably before anyone was able to send help (if they wished to).
Sure, there would be some hard fighting and a lot of casualties, plus an ongoing resistance to deal with should they choose to occupy the whole country. But a sizeable proportion of the forces available to Kiev are hastily trained militia and volunteers, who would be going up against Spetsnaz and well-equipped armoured divisions.
* I think he'd have to have taken leave of his senses, really. It would lead to the strengthening of NATO garrisons in the east, possibly push Sweden and Finland into joining and result in hefty sanctions. Boycotts of Russian gas would trash their economy. A long-term occupation could prove nearly as painful as Afghanistan in the '80s (that's perhaps an overstatement). Most of all, he is a trained KGB officer, they deal in subtlety and covert methods. Little green men, not marching in with flags flying. |  |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 05:51 - Feb 3 with 1953 views | solomon |
It still amazes me the amount of people who think He’s just looking after his interests, I wonder if the people of Salisbury think the same? |  | | |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 07:37 - Feb 3 with 1853 views | GlasgowBlue |
Are you trying to fill the position that CIL left vacant? |  |
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| [Redacted] on 08:28 - Feb 3 with 1815 views | victorywilhappen |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 23:49 - Feb 2 by Guthrum |
I don't personally think Putin does intend to invade Ukraine wholesale (too messy and risky*), just using a bit of leverage. Possibly hoping to bolster the Donbass rebels, or even nibble off a bit more in the south-east.
But Kuleba may simply be overestimating his nation's military capability vis-a-vis their larger neighbour. If it did come to war, there is little question that Russia could crush organised resistance in Ukraine if they really wanted to. Probably before anyone was able to send help (if they wished to).
Sure, there would be some hard fighting and a lot of casualties, plus an ongoing resistance to deal with should they choose to occupy the whole country. But a sizeable proportion of the forces available to Kiev are hastily trained militia and volunteers, who would be going up against Spetsnaz and well-equipped armoured divisions.
* I think he'd have to have taken leave of his senses, really. It would lead to the strengthening of NATO garrisons in the east, possibly push Sweden and Finland into joining and result in hefty sanctions. Boycotts of Russian gas would trash their economy. A long-term occupation could prove nearly as painful as Afghanistan in the '80s (that's perhaps an overstatement). Most of all, he is a trained KGB officer, they deal in subtlety and covert methods. Little green men, not marching in with flags flying. |
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| [Redacted] on 08:30 - Feb 3 with 1799 views | victorywilhappen |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 07:37 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you trying to fill the position that CIL left vacant? |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 08:34 - Feb 3 with 1788 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 07:37 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you trying to fill the position that CIL left vacant? |
They’re not one and the same then? I’m rubbish at reading the room. |  |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 08:39 - Feb 3 with 1773 views | Swansea_Blue |
Some of our allies don’t seem particularly happy that we’ve been going off on our own slightly over all of this. I wouldn’t at all put it past BJ to over-state the risk for personal and political capital here at hone. | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 09:05 - Feb 3 with 1735 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 07:37 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you trying to fill the position that CIL left vacant? |
What is it about the thoughts of the Ukrainian foreign minister that you are finding hard to consider? | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 09:07 - Feb 3 with 1731 views | Guthrum |
Not that strange when you consider that some very bad things happened between (Soviet) Russia and the Ukraine relatively recently - within the lifetimes of older people's parents. The Holodomor, in which millions starved to death or were killed, then the trauma of World War II.
It is probably fear, combined with a sense of helplessness (given the relative military strengths) which leads this to be a thing best not thought about or expressed. Speaking it out could bring it into existence. | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 09:42 - Feb 3 with 1696 views | Ewan_Oozami |
In the Crucial Three debate, I am a Copist - Wylie and McCulloch are nowhere... |  |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:01 - Feb 3 with 1662 views | Ham_and_Eggs |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 09:05 - Feb 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is it about the thoughts of the Ukrainian foreign minister that you are finding hard to consider? |
He's posturing as a deterrent to Russia, he also called on the West to announce the sanctions they will place on Russia should they invade Ukraine |  | | |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:12 - Feb 3 with 1628 views | wkj |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 08:39 - Feb 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Some of our allies don’t seem particularly happy that we’ve been going off on our own slightly over all of this. I wouldn’t at all put it past BJ to over-state the risk for personal and political capital here at hone. |
A good war would really help Boris right now, and he knows it. |  |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:18 - Feb 3 with 1609 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:12 - Feb 3 by wkj |
A good war would really help Boris right now, and he knows it. |
Yeah because the UK would really have a good war against Russia  | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:24 - Feb 3 with 1589 views | chicoazul |
Lots of people shouted at me the other day when I suggested that. |  |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 10:26 - Feb 3 with 1590 views | Ewan_Oozami |
We are very well aware of what Putin is up to, unfortunately it appears that Boris isn't... | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 11:54 - Feb 3 with 1506 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 11:53 - Feb 3 by wkj |
Facts don't matter to the New Generation of your lot [Post edited 3 Feb 2022 12:17]
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Cheap but predictable jibe.
Sadly you will always be the Padwan and never the Master. | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 11:57 - Feb 3 with 1495 views | wkj |
| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 11:54 - Feb 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Cheap but predictable jibe.
Sadly you will always be the Padwan and never the Master. |
Wasn't a jibe at all - The kids have clearly thrown a kegger while the parents are away.
Yet again, you try to take a pop at me, and miss. | |
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| Maybe the West are playing up conflict in Ukraine! on 12:05 - Feb 3 with 1466 views | ghostofescobar |
As always, much of the posturing is political. It puts Putin where he wants to be i.e. centre of the world stage and with some bargaining power and it suits the likes of Biden and Johnson because it makes them look tough and is a diversion from home problems. They will all outdo each other on the rhetoric, as they all want to be seen as the toughest, baddest billy big bollox out there. |  |
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