| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:11 - Jan 14 with 2292 views | BlueBadger |
In all fairness, the Brits have struck me as never having been particularly been interested in artists who weren't blokes in the first place. How many times did Annie Lennox get nominated through the 90's despite very limited output? |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:13 - Jan 14 with 2274 views | Keno |
Here were it gets “difficult”
It those 5 artists are the best 5 artists then it shouldn’t matter what their gender is, that the whole point of equality isn’t it? |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:24 - Jan 14 with 2227 views | lowhouseblue |
from the article: "Only 20% of the artists signed to a major UK record label are female, so they're already at a disadvantage."
i guess countering that bias is a justification for a separate award to highlight those who do succeed and to change industry expectations / barriers / bias. the industry clearly doesn't start from a level playing field. |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:29 - Jan 14 with 2184 views | J2BLUE |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:13 - Jan 14 by Keno |
Here were it gets “difficult”
It those 5 artists are the best 5 artists then it shouldn’t matter what their gender is, that the whole point of equality isn’t it? |
Agree.
Maybe the people choosing the nominees need to be more diverse or it should be a public vote rather than the issue being the nominees all being male. |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:32 - Jan 14 with 2145 views | yesjohn99 |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:13 - Jan 14 by Keno |
Here were it gets “difficult”
It those 5 artists are the best 5 artists then it shouldn’t matter what their gender is, that the whole point of equality isn’t it? |
Bang on. |  | | |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:33 - Jan 14 with 2147 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
How do we know that none of the nominees are female? Have they confirmed how they 'identify'?
Isn't that the point?
And if you were to have 'male' and 'female' categories then how many other categories would you need to give everyone an equal opportunity? |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:46 - Jan 14 with 2059 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:11 - Jan 14 by BlueBadger |
In all fairness, the Brits have struck me as never having been particularly been interested in artists who weren't blokes in the first place. How many times did Annie Lennox get nominated through the 90's despite very limited output? |
Not as many as legend would have it. Looking at her 190's nominations there was 1990, as part of Eurythmics, who had just released the We Too Are One album, 92 and 93 on the back of the Diva album, 96 on the back of another massive selling album (Medusa) and an outstanding contribution to music award in 1999 jointly with Dave Stewart when the Eurythmics reformed. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 10:52]
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:48 - Jan 14 with 2038 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:24 - Jan 14 by lowhouseblue |
from the article: "Only 20% of the artists signed to a major UK record label are female, so they're already at a disadvantage."
i guess countering that bias is a justification for a separate award to highlight those who do succeed and to change industry expectations / barriers / bias. the industry clearly doesn't start from a level playing field. |
Yeah, that's my view. Women traditionally have been treated poorly in the entertainment industry. The Me Too movement has highlighted this. Having a separate category enabled women to be recognised in their own right. | |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:51 - Jan 14 with 1979 views | Ftnfwest |
I’m all for it. One less award and over more quickly |  | | |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:01 - Jan 14 with 1907 views | Darth_Koont |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:48 - Jan 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Yeah, that's my view. Women traditionally have been treated poorly in the entertainment industry. The Me Too movement has highlighted this. Having a separate category enabled women to be recognised in their own right. |
How did the Oscars with their male and female separation help that? It didn’t and the underlying issues for female actresses remained.
It’s only by understanding and addressing the underlying business model where only 20% of label signings are female (no doubt because they need to also be younger and more attractive than their male counterparts) that these things are corrected. Otherwise female artist categories are just token.
On a side note, how was this reported last year when the same gender-neutral stance was taken? |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:04 - Jan 14 with 1877 views | GavTWTD |
Perhaps they need 10 nominees then. That's a solution Shirley? |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:04 - Jan 14 with 1867 views | yesjohn99 |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:33 - Jan 14 by Tangledupin_Blue |
How do we know that none of the nominees are female? Have they confirmed how they 'identify'?
Isn't that the point?
And if you were to have 'male' and 'female' categories then how many other categories would you need to give everyone an equal opportunity? |
Just the two old bean. | | | |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:12 - Jan 14 with 1824 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:04 - Jan 14 by yesjohn99 |
Just the two old bean. |
And what would these two other categories be? | |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:35 - Jan 14 with 1731 views | LankHenners |
Not too dissimilar to the situation with Best Director at the Oscars etc. - overwhelmingly dominated by men but when you look at the numbers there aren't a lot of women directors around involved in the sorts of films that get awards. Address that issue and the awards stuff should eventually sort itself out (although in that case it's fair to recognise there's been plenty of criticism of the actual voting body itself not being a particularly broad church).
Think it was Ellie Roswell from Wolf Alice who made the point a few years ago that when you look at line-ups for the big festivals, the majority of acts are men or men-fronted and when you narrow it down to the headliners or the acts on the main stages it's the same story. Her point being if you have this big celebration of music and it's not about 50/50 in terms of the split of men/women performing then it's hard for those not in the majority to build up reputation, fan base, exposure etc. to get themselves up the ladder as it were. |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 12:23 - Jan 14 with 1601 views | stonojnr |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 11:35 - Jan 14 by LankHenners |
Not too dissimilar to the situation with Best Director at the Oscars etc. - overwhelmingly dominated by men but when you look at the numbers there aren't a lot of women directors around involved in the sorts of films that get awards. Address that issue and the awards stuff should eventually sort itself out (although in that case it's fair to recognise there's been plenty of criticism of the actual voting body itself not being a particularly broad church).
Think it was Ellie Roswell from Wolf Alice who made the point a few years ago that when you look at line-ups for the big festivals, the majority of acts are men or men-fronted and when you narrow it down to the headliners or the acts on the main stages it's the same story. Her point being if you have this big celebration of music and it's not about 50/50 in terms of the split of men/women performing then it's hard for those not in the majority to build up reputation, fan base, exposure etc. to get themselves up the ladder as it were. |
the Brits have never been about fanbase/chart success or getting up the ladder
its purely a trade industry event that hands out awards to artists who have released a record in the previous year, that the industry votes for their favourites as the winner, sometimes that syncs with public opinion, sometimes it doesnt, its almost certainly biased towards people in the industry voting for the acts they represent, as it boosts their sales.
so Adele, one of the worlds best selling artists of all time, the UK's best-selling female album artist of the 21st century, Time magazine named her for the third time in 2022 in the top 100 most influential icons, doesnt get a nomination, because she didnt release an album or a single this last year. | | | |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 13:49 - Jan 14 with 1492 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s the Brits. Nobody over 13 should care. |  |
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| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:01 - Jan 15 with 1291 views | bluebudgie |
| Was big mistake made with the best intentions on 10:33 - Jan 14 by Tangledupin_Blue |
How do we know that none of the nominees are female? Have they confirmed how they 'identify'?
Isn't that the point?
And if you were to have 'male' and 'female' categories then how many other categories would you need to give everyone an equal opportunity? |
Just Male and Female will do as it has for thousands of years |  | | |
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