| The new Rwanda bill just published 16:53 - Dec 6 with 3852 views | ElderGrizzly |
And it openly says it probably breaks Human Rights and International law but “ah, feck it”
Vibes from Cleverly
And tells the courts to ignore certain aspects of the law
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 16:56 - Dec 6 with 2717 views | GeoffSentence |
This is the party that likes to sell itself as the party of law and order.
Going to be a hard sell now. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:08 - Dec 6 with 2682 views | Geomorph |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 16:56 - Dec 6 by GeoffSentence |
This is the party that likes to sell itself as the party of law and order.
Going to be a hard sell now. |
this is what you get when you dabble with banana republics... such as ours |  | | |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:20 - Dec 6 with 2621 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 16:56 - Dec 6 by GeoffSentence |
This is the party that likes to sell itself as the party of law and order.
Going to be a hard sell now. |
Anyone who hasn’t yet worked out what they are probably never will. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:39 - Dec 6 with 2582 views | redrickstuhaart |
Its a bit more complicated than that. Parliament is sovereign and, by definition, the law is what parliament says it is. Parliament can override its own statutes, or any part of common law.
There may well be arguments to have, but the fundamental issue is the behaviour of the government, rather than a realistic legal challenge imo.
The government is told by courts who have considered the evidence, that there is a safety issue. The government therefore declare those issues not to exist, by way of statute, irrespective of the evidence. It is simply dishonest, undermining the rule of law, and a very frightening authoritarian slippery slope. If they can do this, then they can remove other protections. But technically, they can. The issue is that until now, Parliament was largely populated by people who believed in proper behaviour in public office, integrity, and the conventions by which this country has succesfully been run for centuries. That is the mechanism by which this stuff ought to readily be prevented. The conservative majority is such, that it may not do so. |  | | |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:55 - Dec 6 with 2560 views | factual_blue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:39 - Dec 6 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a bit more complicated than that. Parliament is sovereign and, by definition, the law is what parliament says it is. Parliament can override its own statutes, or any part of common law.
There may well be arguments to have, but the fundamental issue is the behaviour of the government, rather than a realistic legal challenge imo.
The government is told by courts who have considered the evidence, that there is a safety issue. The government therefore declare those issues not to exist, by way of statute, irrespective of the evidence. It is simply dishonest, undermining the rule of law, and a very frightening authoritarian slippery slope. If they can do this, then they can remove other protections. But technically, they can. The issue is that until now, Parliament was largely populated by people who believed in proper behaviour in public office, integrity, and the conventions by which this country has succesfully been run for centuries. That is the mechanism by which this stuff ought to readily be prevented. The conservative majority is such, that it may not do so. |
They could have saved the exchequer billions of pounds by simply passing a law that decreed covid didn't exist.
This is stuff straight from Orwell. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 18:12 - Dec 6 with 2545 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 17:39 - Dec 6 by redrickstuhaart |
Its a bit more complicated than that. Parliament is sovereign and, by definition, the law is what parliament says it is. Parliament can override its own statutes, or any part of common law.
There may well be arguments to have, but the fundamental issue is the behaviour of the government, rather than a realistic legal challenge imo.
The government is told by courts who have considered the evidence, that there is a safety issue. The government therefore declare those issues not to exist, by way of statute, irrespective of the evidence. It is simply dishonest, undermining the rule of law, and a very frightening authoritarian slippery slope. If they can do this, then they can remove other protections. But technically, they can. The issue is that until now, Parliament was largely populated by people who believed in proper behaviour in public office, integrity, and the conventions by which this country has succesfully been run for centuries. That is the mechanism by which this stuff ought to readily be prevented. The conservative majority is such, that it may not do so. |
The Lords will I assume gut any legislation that looks anything like this anyway | | | |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 18:17 - Dec 6 with 2535 views | Dubtractor |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 18:18 - Dec 6 with 2529 views | MattinLondon |
Starmer took the bill apart earlier this morning and he probably only had time to cast a very quick eye over it. |  | | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 19:00 - Dec 6 with 2466 views | Trequartista |
The immigration minister has just resigned. From what i can tell, because the new proposed legislation doesn't go far enough. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 19:37 - Dec 6 with 2414 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Just watch them push this through, see the courts block it and then go to the country on the battle to protect us from the swarms of refugees against the lib-left justice system. Another Tory landslide. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:16 - Dec 6 with 2345 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 19:37 - Dec 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Just watch them push this through, see the courts block it and then go to the country on the battle to protect us from the swarms of refugees against the lib-left justice system. Another Tory landslide. |
I suspect that’s the tactic, but hopefully enough people have seen through their bullsh*t and their hopeless record. The polls seem to suggest that at least, although we know how reliable they can be this far out.
This sort of thing is the only desperate tactic they’ve got left. They can’t fight the next GE on their record because it’s sh*t. And they haven’t fought it on their record for the last couple either - they need a ‘Get Brexit Done’ replacement. ‘Get Forriners Gone’ or something like that. | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:33 - Dec 6 with 2309 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:16 - Dec 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I suspect that’s the tactic, but hopefully enough people have seen through their bullsh*t and their hopeless record. The polls seem to suggest that at least, although we know how reliable they can be this far out.
This sort of thing is the only desperate tactic they’ve got left. They can’t fight the next GE on their record because it’s sh*t. And they haven’t fought it on their record for the last couple either - they need a ‘Get Brexit Done’ replacement. ‘Get Forriners Gone’ or something like that. |
“Build the wall” tactics will be rolled out by Bannon’s people come election time | | | |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:50 - Dec 6 with 2251 views | Herbivore |
It's actually pretty chilling. Proper authoritarianism. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:57 - Dec 6 with 2234 views | BlueBadger |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:16 - Dec 6 by Swansea_Blue |
I suspect that’s the tactic, but hopefully enough people have seen through their bullsh*t and their hopeless record. The polls seem to suggest that at least, although we know how reliable they can be this far out.
This sort of thing is the only desperate tactic they’ve got left. They can’t fight the next GE on their record because it’s sh*t. And they haven’t fought it on their record for the last couple either - they need a ‘Get Brexit Done’ replacement. ‘Get Forriners Gone’ or something like that. |
'Get forriners gone' is basically just the the natural evolution of 'get Brexit done', to be fair. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:58 - Dec 6 with 2229 views | DanTheMan |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:50 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
It's actually pretty chilling. Proper authoritarianism. |
It's bizarre, they don't undo the laws but just tell the courts to ignore international laws we've signed up to?
Wtf are they thinking? |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:03 - Dec 6 with 2219 views | Herbivore |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:58 - Dec 6 by DanTheMan |
It's bizarre, they don't undo the laws but just tell the courts to ignore international laws we've signed up to?
Wtf are they thinking? |
And that the courts have to consider Rwanda a safe country, that seems to be written in there as well. Madness. | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:05 - Dec 6 with 2197 views | DJR |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 18:17 - Dec 6 by Dubtractor |
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This reinforces the point.
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:11 - Dec 6 with 2168 views | Herbivore |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:05 - Dec 6 by DJR |
This reinforces the point.
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This is humiliating. The Tories have completely lost the plot. We need them out now. | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:21 - Dec 6 with 2137 views | DJR |
This is not the first Bill since Johnson became PM that has sought to disapply international law or the Human Rights Act but, as some who until 2011 drafted Government legislation, it would have been unimaginable under May or any previous PM to be asked to draft legislation such as this.
The rot set in under Johnson, and for all that Sunak was supposed to be an improvement in terms of competence and integrity, he is really no different when it comes to things like populism and disregard for the rule of law. [Post edited 6 Dec 2023 21:26]
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 22:04 - Dec 6 with 2050 views | eireblue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 19:00 - Dec 6 by Trequartista |
The immigration minister has just resigned. From what i can tell, because the new proposed legislation doesn't go far enough. |
Yea, apparently some of the housing in Rwanda was too nice for children. |  | | |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 22:07 - Dec 6 with 2036 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 20:50 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
It's actually pretty chilling. Proper authoritarianism. |
No longer sleepwalking but marching. | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 23:26 - Dec 6 with 1973 views | BlueBadger |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:03 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
And that the courts have to consider Rwanda a safe country, that seems to be written in there as well. Madness. |
Is that even A Thing, legally? | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 23:29 - Dec 6 with 1968 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:11 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
This is humiliating. The Tories have completely lost the plot. We need them out now. |
We’re supposed to wait until next year, but I’m up for a revolution. They have completely lost the plot (never had it in the first place either). | |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 03:32 - Dec 7 with 1891 views | Ryorry |
| The new Rwanda bill just published on 21:05 - Dec 6 by DJR |
This reinforces the point.
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Just heard that on the World Service news.
Starmer needs to highlight this loudly and repeatedly, including via large posters on the sides of buses, when it comes to GE 2024 - just what kind of party have the Tories become when Rwanda - yes, that's Rwanda - is taking the moral high ground over the UK regarding International law?!
And make sure the huge economic cost of the Tories' irrational, barmy, (non)immigration policies are driven home to those diehard political blues who still bizarrely think the economy is 'safer' in the hands of their lot rather than Labour. |  |
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| The new Rwanda bill just published on 10:26 - Dec 7 with 1758 views | DJR |
Interesting development. I wonder if Sunak will be announcing a John Major-like vote of confidence.
Rishi Sunak will be holding a press conference at 11am, No 10 has announced. [Post edited 7 Dec 2023 10:26]
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