| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! 02:03 - Sep 30 with 6014 views | Denny32 |
Shame ..they were vital cog in our push for promotion. Thats life!!looks like with Johnson and Townsend on the subs today we will hardly see them bar injurys |  | | |  |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 03:44 - Sep 30 with 5320 views | Illinoisblue |
Tough for both of them; both too good or too valuable to us to be sent on loan, yet likely won’t play for us unless we have injuries or a cup run.
Also hard to see where Harry Clarke fits in when he gets fit. |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 05:40 - Sep 30 with 5181 views | franz_tyson |
They're not alone. Chappers, Broady, too. Can see one of these move on to create squad space in Jan. H Clarke mentioned also.
Very strange that Taylor has risen above last year's regulars to get some game time when he looked like he was out of the door. If you get a slightest opportunity- then you have to take it.
These back-to-back promotion players will be legends for us, but most will probably be victims of their own success. | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 06:02 - Sep 30 with 5137 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 05:40 - Sep 30 by franz_tyson |
They're not alone. Chappers, Broady, too. Can see one of these move on to create squad space in Jan. H Clarke mentioned also.
Very strange that Taylor has risen above last year's regulars to get some game time when he looked like he was out of the door. If you get a slightest opportunity- then you have to take it.
These back-to-back promotion players will be legends for us, but most will probably be victims of their own success. |
In fairness, Broadhead’s been injured. Unlike Woolfenden and Burgess he should at least be on the bench once fit - though probably in the place of Chaplin.
I do have less sympathy for the likes of Luongo and Chaplin as I think they showed signs of struggling even at the end of last year so upgrades, whilst tough to take, are part and parcel when a player isn’t meeting the demands required of him, and/or their previous best. | |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 07:05 - Sep 30 with 4927 views | Clutch |
You need a decent squad to survive, so it is what it is, not all the players can play at once - they just need to bide their time then take their chances. Either of them could easily be starting a lot of games with just one injury. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 07:52 - Sep 30 with 4711 views | bsw72 |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 03:44 - Sep 30 by Illinoisblue |
Tough for both of them; both too good or too valuable to us to be sent on loan, yet likely won’t play for us unless we have injuries or a cup run.
Also hard to see where Harry Clarke fits in when he gets fit. |
The life of a Premier league squad player - I guess the question to them is do you want to play first team football regularly and so maybe drop back down a division, or be part of Premier league squad and take your chance should it come. I reckon Wolfenden would stay but Burgess may look to move else risk his international career. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 08:36 - Sep 30 with 4488 views | bsw72 |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 06:02 - Sep 30 by pointofblue |
In fairness, Broadhead’s been injured. Unlike Woolfenden and Burgess he should at least be on the bench once fit - though probably in the place of Chaplin.
I do have less sympathy for the likes of Luongo and Chaplin as I think they showed signs of struggling even at the end of last year so upgrades, whilst tough to take, are part and parcel when a player isn’t meeting the demands required of him, and/or their previous best. |
Same as any profession, as you rise up or the company grows (in this case team gets promoted) you have to grow and develop with it or else you get left behind, get moved on. It is not a criticism of them at all, just a fact that they either get better or find their level.
I don't have particular sympathy - after all they came in and replaced others who were not as good, it is just they have been members of our most successful squad for 20+ years, so we as fans have more emotional ties to them. On the other hand they are probably well paid for what they do, and have done a magnificent job for us, but we now are looking for a higher quality of player.
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 08:37 - Sep 30 with 4489 views | Steve_M |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 05:40 - Sep 30 by franz_tyson |
They're not alone. Chappers, Broady, too. Can see one of these move on to create squad space in Jan. H Clarke mentioned also.
Very strange that Taylor has risen above last year's regulars to get some game time when he looked like he was out of the door. If you get a slightest opportunity- then you have to take it.
These back-to-back promotion players will be legends for us, but most will probably be victims of their own success. |
"If you get a slightest opportunity- then you have to take it."
Yep, very much the case this. |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 08:53 - Sep 30 with 4346 views | DJR |
If Axel gets injured or is replaced by Johnson, I think we will need one of them on the bench. |  | | |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 09:01 - Sep 30 with 4288 views | bournemouthblue |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 03:44 - Sep 30 by Illinoisblue |
Tough for both of them; both too good or too valuable to us to be sent on loan, yet likely won’t play for us unless we have injuries or a cup run.
Also hard to see where Harry Clarke fits in when he gets fit. |
I suspect Johnson is going to develop in a very useful player but at the moment, whilst Axel is doing a great job, the marauding overlaps are missed from Clarke, particularly in those last 10 - 15 minutes where we are looking to overwhelm teams
Defensively Axel is better and adds a lot of aerial assistance which quickly gets forgotten
McKenna has made us a lot harder to beat, defensively we limited Villa quite a bit today and they're a dangerous side
We do have to give McKenna a massive credit there, it needed a massive upgrade if we were going to be competitive in the PL
I feel sorrier for Burgess of the two, simply because I can't see any way back against Greaves, Wolfy will be back in some point I am sure and will have a chance at some stage |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 09:13 - Sep 30 with 4214 views | urbanblue |
Just take a look at the absolute quality of players not getting game time throughout the Premier League. Many of them Internationals.
It's part of life in the top tier of football and I have no doubt players like Woolfie and Cam are well looked after and be there when needed.
Even Walton who we thought would want to leave appears quite content to sign a new contract and be part of the journey. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 09:41 - Sep 30 with 4088 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Think Woolf will have a part to play at some point, but I think Burgess is basically done at this point which is quite sad as he really was a standout performer and we really missed him last season when he was away.
Broadhead I think absolutely will play so not worried about him. Same with Clarke, there will definitely be games where he either comes on at 60 or starts. His attacking qualities are very good, and we will utilise them for sure.
I could see a scenario towards January where Chaplin does start making appearances, because we need to manage the workload on Omari but that's probably the best he can hope for.
It does suck because these players have all been a huge part of the journey but it is what it is, and they will know that. |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:26 - Sep 30 with 3894 views | Mookamoo |
It would be wrong to think we will have a full squad to choose from all the time. Most probably, we will have a couple who played yesterday out for 4-6 weeks with some sort of injury. Woolfenden will come straight back in if Greaves or O'Shea have a problem.
Burgess will struggle to get any minutes as we don't have CBs on the bench. Harry Clarke will be in front of him. Must be hard to get so close to becoming a Premier league player and not quite make it. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:29 - Sep 30 with 3846 views | _clive_baker_ |
It is tough to be fair, both played such a big part in getting us up but sadly there's no room for sentiment. As for the bench, with Axel and to a lesser degree Phillips starting we probably consider ourselves covered centrally, so its more about the versatility and cover across the back line. No doubt if O'Shea picked up a knock Woolf would come straight in for him. |  | | |
| I like that McKenna had Wolfie and Burgess warming up on 10:33 - Sep 30 with 3797 views | unstableblue |
And being on the pitch to feel the pre-match occasion. Despite not being in the matchday squad.
It perhaps makes them feel like they’re not completely out in the cold.
I do think it’s a shame we’re out of the league cup as it would have been a chance for all these now squad players, including Townsend and Johnson. McKenna mentioned in a recent press conference the challenge of no game time for this group.
I’m sure McKenna does a good job on the culture and keeping people out of the team as happy as they can be - which won’t be that happy.
And we’ll get knocks and they’ll play a role. But I saw enough from the OShea and Greaves partnership to think that’s going to stay as preferred. |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:52 - Sep 30 with 3648 views | tractorboy1978 |
Johnson is the more interesting one for me. Not out in the cold but looking like he's not going to get anymore football here than he would have at West Ham, after signing on a 4 year contract on very good money. Tuanzebe is looking un-droppable and Harry Clarke will be back soon and really chomping at the bit to get PL games for his boyhood club too. | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:58 - Sep 30 with 3582 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:52 - Sep 30 by tractorboy1978 |
Johnson is the more interesting one for me. Not out in the cold but looking like he's not going to get anymore football here than he would have at West Ham, after signing on a 4 year contract on very good money. Tuanzebe is looking un-droppable and Harry Clarke will be back soon and really chomping at the bit to get PL games for his boyhood club too. |
I can't see Harry Clarke getting very close to the side to be honest, I think he could find himself in the next tranche of upgrades. The likes of Luongo, Clarke, Chaplin, Broadhead, Al-Hamadi, Taylor are probably the ones where at least 4 of them might not be around this time next year (if we stay up).
Johnson's time will come I think, but he's a victim of Tuanzebe's form as much as anything right now. | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 12:03 - Sep 30 with 3300 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 09:41 - Sep 30 by JammyDodgerrr |
Think Woolf will have a part to play at some point, but I think Burgess is basically done at this point which is quite sad as he really was a standout performer and we really missed him last season when he was away.
Broadhead I think absolutely will play so not worried about him. Same with Clarke, there will definitely be games where he either comes on at 60 or starts. His attacking qualities are very good, and we will utilise them for sure.
I could see a scenario towards January where Chaplin does start making appearances, because we need to manage the workload on Omari but that's probably the best he can hope for.
It does suck because these players have all been a huge part of the journey but it is what it is, and they will know that. |
If Hutchinson is rested, surely Szmodics comes in ahead of Chaplin? | |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 12:18 - Sep 30 with 3208 views | monty_radio |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 03:44 - Sep 30 by Illinoisblue |
Tough for both of them; both too good or too valuable to us to be sent on loan, yet likely won’t play for us unless we have injuries or a cup run.
Also hard to see where Harry Clarke fits in when he gets fit. |
Even with 3 potential Right Backs, I personally think we don't yet have the upgrade in the building that we have in other positions. [Post edited 30 Sep 2024 18:10]
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 12:32 - Sep 30 with 3136 views | textbackup |
Heart felt pain watching them warm up together pre match.
Ruthless business though isn’t it |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:00 - Sep 30 with 2976 views | AlanG296 |
Part of being in a successful team, whatever happens they and others in similar situations, at the end of their careers they can look back at the massive parts they played in achieving success. Some players have long careers but never get to experience it. Never get an open top bus ride. Nothing wrong with that. That's football, there's only so much success to go round. At least for us fans, after enduring the Evans Era of Mediocrity, we've been getting our turn at the good stuff. | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:33 - Sep 30 with 2862 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:58 - Sep 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I can't see Harry Clarke getting very close to the side to be honest, I think he could find himself in the next tranche of upgrades. The likes of Luongo, Clarke, Chaplin, Broadhead, Al-Hamadi, Taylor are probably the ones where at least 4 of them might not be around this time next year (if we stay up).
Johnson's time will come I think, but he's a victim of Tuanzebe's form as much as anything right now. |
Agree with this on Clarke. I can't see him displacing Tuanzebe and defensively just isn't good enough for the PL.
Johnson hasn't been brought in, I assume on very good money, to warm the bench. I think Clarke will need to get past both of them to get anywhere near the XI |  | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:34 - Sep 30 with 2856 views | blueasfook |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 03:44 - Sep 30 by Illinoisblue |
Tough for both of them; both too good or too valuable to us to be sent on loan, yet likely won’t play for us unless we have injuries or a cup run.
Also hard to see where Harry Clarke fits in when he gets fit. |
Shame for Harry Clarke. He's just got himself a new WAG. If he aint playing she'll be leaving him for a regular starter. |  |
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| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:37 - Sep 30 with 2830 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:58 - Sep 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I can't see Harry Clarke getting very close to the side to be honest, I think he could find himself in the next tranche of upgrades. The likes of Luongo, Clarke, Chaplin, Broadhead, Al-Hamadi, Taylor are probably the ones where at least 4 of them might not be around this time next year (if we stay up).
Johnson's time will come I think, but he's a victim of Tuanzebe's form as much as anything right now. |
You could be right but I don't think he's going to give his place up without a real fight. And we've not seen a lot to be impressed by in Johnson so far. | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:40 - Sep 30 with 2812 views | Mookamoo |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:58 - Sep 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I can't see Harry Clarke getting very close to the side to be honest, I think he could find himself in the next tranche of upgrades. The likes of Luongo, Clarke, Chaplin, Broadhead, Al-Hamadi, Taylor are probably the ones where at least 4 of them might not be around this time next year (if we stay up).
Johnson's time will come I think, but he's a victim of Tuanzebe's form as much as anything right now. |
Its not a huge stretch of the imagination to see Tuanzebe and Burns both out.
If we start Ogbene and Johnson, we will still need Clarke for the last 15 mins
Him and Hurst having 15 mins will be like watching a pair of labradors chasing a tennis ball | | | |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 13:42 - Sep 30 with 2781 views | WD19 |
| Wolfenden and burgess out in the cold!!! on 10:58 - Sep 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I can't see Harry Clarke getting very close to the side to be honest, I think he could find himself in the next tranche of upgrades. The likes of Luongo, Clarke, Chaplin, Broadhead, Al-Hamadi, Taylor are probably the ones where at least 4 of them might not be around this time next year (if we stay up).
Johnson's time will come I think, but he's a victim of Tuanzebe's form as much as anything right now. |
There will be clubs beating our door down in January to take Chaplin on loan and I think he will go. Broadhead will get more game time once fit. |  | | |
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