| Pot/kettle 08:58 - Oct 23 with 3947 views | Guthrum |
The Trump campaign filing an official complaint about Labour Party activists working for Harris (as 'foreign election interference') is somewhat hypocritical. Given they have a sitting MP and UK party leader on the stump, plus an (albeit briefly) Prime Minister speaking at conventions on his behalf. |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 with 3106 views | turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |  | | |
| Pot/kettle on 09:19 - Oct 23 with 3082 views | Blueschev |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
I can never add pictures on here! Karlmarxa Harris, that's a new one. [Post edited 23 Oct 2024 9:21]
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| Pot/kettle on 09:26 - Oct 23 with 3050 views | positivity |
| Pot/kettle on 09:19 - Oct 23 by Blueschev |
I can never add pictures on here! Karlmarxa Harris, that's a new one. [Post edited 23 Oct 2024 9:21]
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along with the "far left labour party" mentioned by trump, i think that's the definition of trying too hard!
the one good thing about trump is that his name sums him up without having to awkwardly mangle it into an insult... [Post edited 23 Oct 2024 9:44]
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| Pot/kettle on 09:45 - Oct 23 with 3002 views | Guthrum |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
But he's still a UK politician involving himself in the US election. Which is just as much interference as Labour Party activists working for Harris.
You're giving Farage extra leeway only because his views align with your own. | |
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| Pot/kettle on 09:47 - Oct 23 with 2991 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree it’s completely hypocritical. However, regardless of my intense dislike for Trump, neither Farage, nor Labour’s involvement (however minor) in another country’s election campaign sits comfortably with me.
Pointing to Farage seems a little like whatabouterry to me - surely Labour should be aspiring to higher standards of integrity than Farage. Regardless of any awkwardness if Trump wins, I think we should remain completely impartial - I’d be equally uncomfortable with any US influence over our elections. | | | |
| Pot/kettle on 09:56 - Oct 23 with 2921 views | blueasfook |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
Given the current challenges Europe faces with Russian aggression, Trump getting in would be bad for NATO. He's well known not to be a fan of NATO and threatened to pull the US out during his last term. This would play right into Putin's hands. Also, he's a cock. [Post edited 23 Oct 2024 9:56]
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| Pot/kettle on 09:56 - Oct 23 with 2914 views | WeWereZombies |
Not to mention the constant abuse, smears towards and misinformation about Sadiq Khan. |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 09:58 - Oct 23 with 2890 views | blueasfook |
| Pot/kettle on 09:56 - Oct 23 by WeWereZombies |
Not to mention the constant abuse, smears towards and misinformation about Sadiq Khan. |
Yeah but to be fair Khan kind of stirred that pot which was way beyond his remit as mayor of London. | |
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| Pot/kettle on 10:02 - Oct 23 with 2844 views | Guthrum |
| Pot/kettle on 09:47 - Oct 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree it’s completely hypocritical. However, regardless of my intense dislike for Trump, neither Farage, nor Labour’s involvement (however minor) in another country’s election campaign sits comfortably with me.
Pointing to Farage seems a little like whatabouterry to me - surely Labour should be aspiring to higher standards of integrity than Farage. Regardless of any awkwardness if Trump wins, I think we should remain completely impartial - I’d be equally uncomfortable with any US influence over our elections. |
I agree with your ideal, but the problem with unilateral high standards in an already flawed system is that the ruthless will just exploit the opportunity.
The US already influences our politics and elections. A lot of the money and propaganda behind the rise of the right has come across the Atlantic. Farage is repaying past favours. Labour is only doing to them what they have already done to us.
It's perhaps not right, but it is realpolitik. | |
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| Pot/kettle on 10:06 - Oct 23 with 2810 views | MattinLondon |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
Well if you aren’t bothered about sexual abuse, racism, promoting far-right conspiracy theories and encouraging violence then yeah, superb guy. |  | | |
| Pot/kettle on 10:09 - Oct 23 with 2776 views | blueislander |
Trump also actively assisted Bolsonaro in the Brasilian presidential election. | | | |
| Pot/kettle on 10:12 - Oct 23 with 2752 views | davblue |
| Pot/kettle on 10:06 - Oct 23 by MattinLondon |
Well if you aren’t bothered about sexual abuse, racism, promoting far-right conspiracy theories and encouraging violence then yeah, superb guy. |
yeah encouraging violence that caused death. What a guy. Unless that's a wind up, the lack of intelligence and emotional intelligence is staggering. |  | | |
| Pot/kettle on 10:17 - Oct 23 with 2714 views | Blueschev |
| Pot/kettle on 09:47 - Oct 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree it’s completely hypocritical. However, regardless of my intense dislike for Trump, neither Farage, nor Labour’s involvement (however minor) in another country’s election campaign sits comfortably with me.
Pointing to Farage seems a little like whatabouterry to me - surely Labour should be aspiring to higher standards of integrity than Farage. Regardless of any awkwardness if Trump wins, I think we should remain completely impartial - I’d be equally uncomfortable with any US influence over our elections. |
Yeah I agree with this, though I guess if they're not elected officials they are free to do what they like with their spare time. They obviously had so much fun campaigning on nothing more than not being the other lot that they've decided to do it again whilst on holiday. | | | |
| Pot/kettle on 10:22 - Oct 23 with 2675 views | GlasgowBlue |
It's nonsense. This has been going in for decades with both UK main parties helping out either the Democrats or the Republicans. |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 10:33 - Oct 23 with 2602 views | bournemouthblue |
| Pot/kettle on 10:12 - Oct 23 by davblue |
yeah encouraging violence that caused death. What a guy. Unless that's a wind up, the lack of intelligence and emotional intelligence is staggering. |
Imagine if Boris had setup a stage near Parliament goading large crowds who'd baked up some kind of 'storm Parliament' scenario on social media resulting in a capitol hill style insurrection, trying to get to his deputy PM for some reason because he didn't like the result of the Election
Firstly not being prosecuted for any involvement in that (their system is mental, it basically needs his own party to shop him) but then coming back as Tory leader to run for PM again
It is absolutely mental and the scary thing is, he probably has a reasonable chance of winning |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 10:36 - Oct 23 with 2564 views | positivity |
| Pot/kettle on 10:22 - Oct 23 by GlasgowBlue |
It's nonsense. This has been going in for decades with both UK main parties helping out either the Democrats or the Republicans. |
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| Pot/kettle on 11:45 - Oct 23 with 2387 views | J2BLUE |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
Please promise us that if Harris wins you will still go... [Post edited 23 Oct 2024 11:45]
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| Pot/kettle on 12:09 - Oct 23 with 2284 views | DinDjarin |
| Pot/kettle on 10:12 - Oct 23 by davblue |
yeah encouraging violence that caused death. What a guy. Unless that's a wind up, the lack of intelligence and emotional intelligence is staggering. |
Orange man bad |  | | |
| Pot/kettle on 12:13 - Oct 23 with 2230 views | BlueNomad |
| Pot/kettle on 09:15 - Oct 23 by turtle2 |
The sitting MP just happens to represent the same "sane" views as anyone else may have - i.e. we need more business , more entrepreneurs , less tax and less benefits - we also need to stop China sending trillions of plastic crap around the world i.e. tariffs and we need Europe to pay what it owes ? for defense ? It would also be handy - and I say this as someone going through potentially the long , expensive and arduous process of applying to move to the USA- if illegal immigrants were not allowed into the USA ? Apart from that with KARLMARXA Harris as opposition whats not to love about Trump .. superb guy |
Poor effort at satire. |  | | |
| Pot/kettle on 12:28 - Oct 23 with 2164 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Pot/kettle on 10:36 - Oct 23 by positivity |
and vice versa |
Cameron even got Obama over to influence the Brexit referendum. | |
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| Pot/kettle on 13:44 - Oct 23 with 1994 views | davblue |
| Pot/kettle on 10:33 - Oct 23 by bournemouthblue |
Imagine if Boris had setup a stage near Parliament goading large crowds who'd baked up some kind of 'storm Parliament' scenario on social media resulting in a capitol hill style insurrection, trying to get to his deputy PM for some reason because he didn't like the result of the Election
Firstly not being prosecuted for any involvement in that (their system is mental, it basically needs his own party to shop him) but then coming back as Tory leader to run for PM again
It is absolutely mental and the scary thing is, he probably has a reasonable chance of winning |
yeah, seen a few things on X for what's that's worth to say it's going to be very close and another few threads saying it will be like 2012 for Harris and a comfortable win.
Who know's wouldn't surprise me one bit if Trump wis and then who knows what will happen. | | | |
| Pot/kettle on 13:54 - Oct 23 with 1955 views | baxterbasics |
You aren't wrong.
But the Labour party might be wise to stop picking fights with the man who is likely about to become President, again.
In that vein I also noted reports on the radio that Starmer had dinner with Trump last month and that he claims they have a good relationship. |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 14:00 - Oct 23 with 1928 views | MattinLondon |
| Pot/kettle on 12:09 - Oct 23 by DinDjarin |
Orange man bad |
Not sure what David Dickinson has to do with this thread. | | | |
| Pot/kettle on 14:00 - Oct 23 with 1929 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Pot/kettle on 09:47 - Oct 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree it’s completely hypocritical. However, regardless of my intense dislike for Trump, neither Farage, nor Labour’s involvement (however minor) in another country’s election campaign sits comfortably with me.
Pointing to Farage seems a little like whatabouterry to me - surely Labour should be aspiring to higher standards of integrity than Farage. Regardless of any awkwardness if Trump wins, I think we should remain completely impartial - I’d be equally uncomfortable with any US influence over our elections. |
It's crackers, but it's a global game now. Look at Turning Point for example, or the roles the likes of Mercer (Trump's backer) and the Koch brothers have played in influencing politicians and promoting libertarian ideas, with Matthew Elliot in the middle (of Tax Payers Alliance, Tufton Street, same home as IEA). This influence wasn't unimportant in recent disasters such as Brexit and Liz Truss' premiership. There seems to be a global libertarian club bankrolled by some of the richest billionaires in the West. It's probably not surprising that there's a left centre version.
It doesn't sit well with me either. Starmer's crowd should have enough to be getting on with without playing this grubby game. Although I can see that whoever the President is will have an impact on our domestic politics to a degree. |  |
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| Pot/kettle on 14:53 - Oct 23 with 1796 views | positivity |
| Pot/kettle on 14:00 - Oct 23 by Swansea_Blue |
It's crackers, but it's a global game now. Look at Turning Point for example, or the roles the likes of Mercer (Trump's backer) and the Koch brothers have played in influencing politicians and promoting libertarian ideas, with Matthew Elliot in the middle (of Tax Payers Alliance, Tufton Street, same home as IEA). This influence wasn't unimportant in recent disasters such as Brexit and Liz Truss' premiership. There seems to be a global libertarian club bankrolled by some of the richest billionaires in the West. It's probably not surprising that there's a left centre version.
It doesn't sit well with me either. Starmer's crowd should have enough to be getting on with without playing this grubby game. Although I can see that whoever the President is will have an impact on our domestic politics to a degree. |
it's a tricky one, and blown out of all proportion as is usual with trump's hyperbole and lies.
however, i wonder if countries should be less neutral? some things transcend national boundaries and will have a negative effect on people in the uk (climate change, isolationism, punitive trade tarriffs etc), so where's the line? | |
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