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New centrist party... on 18:26 - Feb 7 by GlasgowBlue
Did you vote Labour during the Blair years zed?
edit. If you want a name for a new centrist party, my suggestion is "Centre Forward". May get a few ex pros on board.
[Post edited 7 Feb 2019 18:28]
Just to round off today's great day TWTDing, would you be able to answer Chico's implication that you're a hard leftist for admitting you would have voted Blair?
New centrist party... on 18:31 - Feb 7 by BackToRussia
Just to round off today's great day TWTDing, would you be able to answer Chico's implication that you're a hard leftist for admitting you would have voted Blair?
Blair was a Trot at Uni.
Actually Blair’s government was Marxist in the way it was run, if not in its policies. John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson and Charlie Whelan once belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain. Stephen Byers and Alan Milburn were both former Marxists.
This is an interesting read from Peter Oborne (part of a much longer article so I have copied the part about communism).
The old communists of New Labour
by Peter Oborne
The influence of the Communist Party on New Labour has been neglected. One day it will be an important subject for a dissertation or PhD by a university graduate. It is not merely the case that a significant number of figures in the Government machine — John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few — belonged to the Communist Party of Great Britain in all its King Street grandeur.
Many others — Stephen Byers and Alan Milburn among them — were connected in one way or another with the obscure sub-Marxist organisations that abounded in the 1970s, doing their best to tear down capitalism. Even those, like Jack Straw, who had no Marxist sympathies at all, were obliged to come to terms with communist methods and adversaries in the shadowy internecine struggles of the 1970s and 1980s. It is these methods — as opposed to the now despised Marxist dogma about ownership of the means of production — that have endured to influence the Blair Government. Millbank admittedly borrowed its technology — rebuttal units, the Excalibur computer etc — from the United States. But the obsessive secrecy, centralisation and intolerance of dissent which were such overwhelming characteristics of the Millbank operation reek of the CPGB.
David Triesman was a significant figure of the Euro-communist movement of the 1970s, an attempt to give communism a ‘human face’. Thirty years on and he is attempting a comparable exercise with New Labour.
i thought we had a centrist party. the one what the gang of 4 set up with all the tories who were up for a centre party. when push came to shove only one tory was brave enough at the time, to join them.
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New centrist party... on 19:11 - Feb 7 with 2355 views
New centrist party... on 18:43 - Feb 7 by pickles110564
How are you coping now Corbyn has come out as a full out Brexiteer and won't support a people's referendum ?
Eh?
Labour tabled an amendment for a 2nd referendum last week and it didn’t pass. They are still supporting that option:
This letter sets out in robust terms that the Prime Minister must abandon her Brexit red lines. It does not take the option of a public vote off the table. pic.twitter.com/T0bk7vq8cZ
I’ve always agreed with their position of trying to force a general election and negotiate a better deal. For the record, I think a 2nd referendum right now, in this climate, would be a disaster. At this stage I would want Labour to force a general election and campaign in to negotiate a better deal and put that to a 2nd referendum. I think that would piece together a majority of the fractures.
That would all obviously involve extending article 50 - another thing Labour have attempted and not been able to pass to the majority in the HoC not wanting to reverse the result of the referendum. Something that is obvious to some of us, but still a concept that’s difficult to grasp for others by the way.
It’s clear that the EU are receptive to Labour’s approach. They’ve even told May today that it would be the best way out of this.
NEW: Donald Tusk told Theresa May today that Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan could be a promising way out of the current impasse https://t.co/cMQJmLK6Fr
Labour have now effectively forced the EU to tell the Conservative Party that the best way forward is the one beingforward by the opposition. The compromises they are being told to make will completely divide the Conservative Party.
No, not at the moment
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New centrist party... on 19:13 - Feb 7 with 2331 views
i thought we had a centrist party. the one what the gang of 4 set up with all the tories who were up for a centre party. when push came to shove only one tory was brave enough at the time, to join them.
Who are "all the Tories" who were set to join up with the Gang of 4? That's the first I've heard of it.
It was always a reaction from Labour moderates towards the way the Labour party was lurching to the far left with Brexit and Nuclear disarmament.
I can't find any link to "all the Tories" that you speak of.
New centrist party... on 19:11 - Feb 7 by ZedRodgers
Eh?
Labour tabled an amendment for a 2nd referendum last week and it didn’t pass. They are still supporting that option:
This letter sets out in robust terms that the Prime Minister must abandon her Brexit red lines. It does not take the option of a public vote off the table. pic.twitter.com/T0bk7vq8cZ
I’ve always agreed with their position of trying to force a general election and negotiate a better deal. For the record, I think a 2nd referendum right now, in this climate, would be a disaster. At this stage I would want Labour to force a general election and campaign in to negotiate a better deal and put that to a 2nd referendum. I think that would piece together a majority of the fractures.
That would all obviously involve extending article 50 - another thing Labour have attempted and not been able to pass to the majority in the HoC not wanting to reverse the result of the referendum. Something that is obvious to some of us, but still a concept that’s difficult to grasp for others by the way.
It’s clear that the EU are receptive to Labour’s approach. They’ve even told May today that it would be the best way out of this.
NEW: Donald Tusk told Theresa May today that Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan could be a promising way out of the current impasse https://t.co/cMQJmLK6Fr
Labour have now effectively forced the EU to tell the Conservative Party that the best way forward is the one beingforward by the opposition. The compromises they are being told to make will completely divide the Conservative Party.
Of course the EU would, it would tie us to them forever (well until they all implode bankrupt) and unable to agree trade deals with the rest of the world.
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New centrist party... on 19:15 - Feb 7 with 2339 views
New centrist party... on 19:14 - Feb 7 by pickles110564
Of course the EU would, it would tie us to them forever (well until they all implode bankrupt) and unable to agree trade deals with the rest of the world.
Do you thrill your customers with this kind of political insight? What are they buying off you? Sky hooks?
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New centrist party... on 19:11 - Feb 7 by ZedRodgers
Eh?
Labour tabled an amendment for a 2nd referendum last week and it didn’t pass. They are still supporting that option:
This letter sets out in robust terms that the Prime Minister must abandon her Brexit red lines. It does not take the option of a public vote off the table. pic.twitter.com/T0bk7vq8cZ
I’ve always agreed with their position of trying to force a general election and negotiate a better deal. For the record, I think a 2nd referendum right now, in this climate, would be a disaster. At this stage I would want Labour to force a general election and campaign in to negotiate a better deal and put that to a 2nd referendum. I think that would piece together a majority of the fractures.
That would all obviously involve extending article 50 - another thing Labour have attempted and not been able to pass to the majority in the HoC not wanting to reverse the result of the referendum. Something that is obvious to some of us, but still a concept that’s difficult to grasp for others by the way.
It’s clear that the EU are receptive to Labour’s approach. They’ve even told May today that it would be the best way out of this.
NEW: Donald Tusk told Theresa May today that Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan could be a promising way out of the current impasse https://t.co/cMQJmLK6Fr
Labour have now effectively forced the EU to tell the Conservative Party that the best way forward is the one beingforward by the opposition. The compromises they are being told to make will completely divide the Conservative Party.
Labour did not table an amendment for a second referendum last week. That is utter nonsense.
New centrist party... on 19:46 - Feb 7 by pickles110564
Thats the closest by accident you have come to guessing my job.
I've never actually guessed before, so I could have said male stripper and it would have been my closest guess.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
The point still stands. There are no Tory rebels. It’s a myth.
And as Rebecca Long-Bailey said the Labour party has not committed to a second referendum.
"The shadow business secretary said the amendment did not “in any way” mean the party backed a second referendum. She told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme: “The amendment is very specifically-worded to allow for the debate of the options. “It is not stating that the party supports a second referendum in any way and indeed if it was passed, the amendment, and it went to a vote on the specific issues, then that would be a decision for the party to take at the time. “We are prioritising seeking a deal which provides many of the assurances we have sought from the PM.”
Corbyn could have tabled an amendment calling for a second referendum. Tories Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston alongside Labour's Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger held a joint press conference imploring Corbyn to support a second referendum.
New centrist party... on 20:06 - Feb 7 by GlasgowBlue
And as Rebecca Long-Bailey said the Labour party has not committed to a second referendum.
"The shadow business secretary said the amendment did not “in any way” mean the party backed a second referendum. She told BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme: “The amendment is very specifically-worded to allow for the debate of the options. “It is not stating that the party supports a second referendum in any way and indeed if it was passed, the amendment, and it went to a vote on the specific issues, then that would be a decision for the party to take at the time. “We are prioritising seeking a deal which provides many of the assurances we have sought from the PM.”
Corbyn could have tabled an amendment calling for a second referendum. Tories Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston alongside Labour's Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger held a joint press conference imploring Corbyn to support a second referendum.
Thanks, I’m fully aware that they haven’t put everything behind backing a 2nd referendum. The point I was making was that Corbyn tabled the only amendment that would pave the way for the allowing the house to decide on having a 2nd referendum... but the faux-rebel Tories you’ve mentioned voted against it.
Feel free to point me in the direction of the people that have called for a 2nd amendment and tabled ones which would allow it to be voted on.
This is the same Anna Soubry who sat in front of a press conference with a graphic that said “If Not Now, When?” about Labour tabling a motion of no confidence. She voted against the motion of no confidence.
She calls for other people (not herself obviously) to force a people’s vote. She voted against the amendment that would pave the way for one.
Umunna talks about ending freedom of movement being a “sacrifice we need to make” and how we can’t have a 2nd referendum for a year, before backing one
If they want a 2nd referendum so much why did they vote down the amendment which would have made it possible, put forward by the man they (and you) say doesn’t one.
It’s obvious that Labour don’t feel that pushing for a 2nd referendum on May’s deal/no deal/remain is the best approach right now, isn’t it?
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