| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:29 - May 22 with 1995 views | Swansea_Blue |
No, especially Art 24 of GATT.
Their claims have been dismissed so many times by trade experts, including the bloke that helped write it, that obviously they're (a) not prepared to listen and a bit thick, or (b) deliberately lying to their supporters. I suspect it's a mixture of the two - maybe the likes of Moggy are the liars and the likes of Andrea Jenkyns are just thick.
Welcome to post-truth Britain, where what you've been convinced to believe is more important than what's correct. |  |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:35 - May 22 with 1980 views | Oldsmoker |
Most countries who trade on WTO rules have also established Trade agreements with their main import/export countries. They replace the WTO rules with their own agreements.
So, WTO is the start position for trading and is not a coverall.
The fact that nations seek their own trade agreements shows that WTO rules are not desirable. |  |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 with 1953 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:35 - May 22 by Oldsmoker |
Most countries who trade on WTO rules have also established Trade agreements with their main import/export countries. They replace the WTO rules with their own agreements.
So, WTO is the start position for trading and is not a coverall.
The fact that nations seek their own trade agreements shows that WTO rules are not desirable. |
May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.
You need to look at the mid - long term picture.
As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply. |  |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:02 - May 22 with 1917 views | No9 |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue |
May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.
You need to look at the mid - long term picture.
As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply. |
The British steel matter has nothing to do with the EU.
EU legislation allows for state aide and is practiced frequently in other EU countries.
More to do with the Holding Co |  | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 with 1912 views | Oldsmoker |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue |
May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.
You need to look at the mid - long term picture.
As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply. |
"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.
"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:06 - May 22 with 1910 views | Oldsmoker |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker |
"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.
"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under. |
Did I just say the government don't do bail-outs.
Sorry, I was wrong.
They do, but only if its a bank. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:06 - May 22 with 1911 views | No9 |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:29 - May 22 by Swansea_Blue |
No, especially Art 24 of GATT.
Their claims have been dismissed so many times by trade experts, including the bloke that helped write it, that obviously they're (a) not prepared to listen and a bit thick, or (b) deliberately lying to their supporters. I suspect it's a mixture of the two - maybe the likes of Moggy are the liars and the likes of Andrea Jenkyns are just thick.
Welcome to post-truth Britain, where what you've been convinced to believe is more important than what's correct. |
Most people don't understand the WTO is a Member Club, Members make the rules.
The UK, having surrendered its membership now operates within the WTO as a part of the EU membership & can't be an independent member until it lelaves the EU when all the benefits of what the EU gets.
The UK will have to start again = could be some time | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:08 - May 22 with 1905 views | HARRY10 |
It is quite frightening how many are still blinded by this la la land of fantasy.
It reminds me of a cousin who believes we can talk to the dead, as no matter what arguments are put up and no matter how absurd her arguments are shown to be she still clings to this idea.
And that is the real proble, where there is almost 'mass hysteria' with folk having seemingly fixated on something that is the cause of all their woes not wanting to let go of that particular 'comfort blanket.
Theirs is not a belief born of reasoned argument or rational thought, just blinkered delusion they are scared of letting go. | | | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 with 1893 views | eireblue |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 14:47 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue |
May's deal provides time to negotiate a future deal with the EU, time that will wasted as there is incentive for the EU to reach agreement.. WTO terms place both the UK and the EU 27 in a less advantaged position in the short term but notice the prospect of a quicker, smoother nevogiation.
You need to look at the mid - long term picture.
As an aside if we had left the EU in March on a no deal the government could bald out British Steel as EU law wouldn't apply. |
How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown? |  | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:14 - May 22 with 1876 views | flimflam |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker |
"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.
"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under. |
Ironically JC has said they would nationlise British Steel but must be unaware the EU laws prohibit it albeit on a temporary basis. |  |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:16 - May 22 with 1873 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 by eireblue |
How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown? |
Rubbish. I'm having a rainbow unicorn with extra sparkles!  | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:17 - May 22 with 1879 views | factual_blue |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:08 - May 22 by HARRY10 |
It is quite frightening how many are still blinded by this la la land of fantasy.
It reminds me of a cousin who believes we can talk to the dead, as no matter what arguments are put up and no matter how absurd her arguments are shown to be she still clings to this idea.
And that is the real proble, where there is almost 'mass hysteria' with folk having seemingly fixated on something that is the cause of all their woes not wanting to let go of that particular 'comfort blanket.
Theirs is not a belief born of reasoned argument or rational thought, just blinkered delusion they are scared of letting go. |
I heard it described perfectly the other day; leavers were promised and voted for a unicorn. They're getting a donkey with an ice cream cone tied to its head. |  |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:27 - May 22 with 1846 views | factual_blue |
To paraphrase Rowan Atkinson, I wouldn't trust a brexiteer to sit the right way round on a toilet. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:28 - May 22 with 1839 views | factual_blue |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:11 - May 22 by eireblue |
How can you look at the mid-long term future, if it is simply unknown? |
And as J M Keynes pointed out, in the long term we are all dead. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:41 - May 22 with 1807 views | No9 |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:14 - May 22 by flimflam |
Ironically JC has said they would nationlise British Steel but must be unaware the EU laws prohibit it albeit on a temporary basis. |
Not true | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:01 - May 22 with 1776 views | tractordownsouth |
It’s funny, whenever I ask the Brexiters who elected the WTO they mysteriously seem to lose internet connection or something... [Post edited 22 May 2019 16:03]
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:04 - May 22 with 1771 views | tractordownsouth |
And also whenever you ask them which of the leading Brexiteers advocated a no deal before the referendum they seem to go quiet. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:26 - May 22 with 1737 views | bluejacko |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:03 - May 22 by Oldsmoker |
"you need to look at the mid-long term future".
Like I said, WTO is a starting position.
"... the government could bail out British Steel...."
This is a Tory government. They don't do bail-outs. If the markets say that there is no demand for British steel then the markets rule and they go under. |
Did you listen to the reason the Govt can’t give them more money?its against international law.
They also received £110m from the Govt not so long ago.
Hopefully a buyer can be found to secure all those jobs. | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:35 - May 22 with 1722 views | jontysnut |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:01 - May 22 by tractordownsouth |
It’s funny, whenever I ask the Brexiters who elected the WTO they mysteriously seem to lose internet connection or something... [Post edited 22 May 2019 16:03]
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I don't really know what WTO rules actually are, but I get annoyed at people who claim that this is the answer to everything when they plainly don't know either |  | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:50 - May 22 with 1699 views | bluejacko |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:35 - May 22 by jontysnut |
I don't really know what WTO rules actually are, but I get annoyed at people who claim that this is the answer to everything when they plainly don't know either |
That’s the rub though you can get an ‘expert’ either way.
Doom and gloom or rays of sunshine. | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 with 1672 views | flimflam |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 15:41 - May 22 by No9 |
Not true |
Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:25 - May 22 with 1664 views | Oldsmoker |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 16:26 - May 22 by bluejacko |
Did you listen to the reason the Govt can’t give them more money?its against international law.
They also received £110m from the Govt not so long ago.
Hopefully a buyer can be found to secure all those jobs. |
"can't give" "won't give"
Same thing.
If the Tories WERE allowed to bail them out they wouldn't. | |
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| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:51 - May 22 with 1647 views | bluejacko |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:25 - May 22 by Oldsmoker |
"can't give" "won't give"
Same thing.
If the Tories WERE allowed to bail them out they wouldn't. |
You really don’t know that do? Talk about making it up! | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 18:10 - May 22 with 1628 views | No9 |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 by flimflam |
Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it. |
It isn't true. | | | |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 18:13 - May 22 with 1625 views | No9 |
| Do brexiteeer MP's understand the WTO on 17:17 - May 22 by flimflam |
Correct me if I am wrong but that is how I understood it. |
I forgot the UK government already gave BS £120 Mn a short while back.
& when the EU pu together a deal to get EU steel producers to put in place measures to stop the Chinese dumping steel in the EU - the UK opted out | | | |
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