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Better keep an eye on this stuff people. It's creeping and I'd like a country unlike the one I'm currently in to come back to.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 02:14 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE
He makes it very clear that it's a personal opinion and if any votes ever came up on the subject they would be free votes.
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Hmmm.
Forgive me if I don't trust them to keep their personal feelings personal.
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Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 02:14 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE
He makes it very clear that it's a personal opinion and if any votes ever came up on the subject they would be free votes.
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I'm sure that it's also his personal opinion that contraception and education around it should be far more easily accessible, child support payments should go up, as should government subsidies for childcare and adoption/fostering service. Hell, he probably also believes that the minimum wage, particularly in the under-25's age group that would be particularly hard hit by the pressures of unplanned/unwanted children.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
And yet again, it's always interesting how these 'no state intervention in people's lives' types always get very keen on state intervention when people stop being straight white men with salaries above 50 grand a year.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
I'm pro-choice, but with the advances in medical science meaning that premature babies can survive from 21 weeks, I'm uncomfortable with the current law (24 week limit, abortion possible after 24 weeks in exceptional circumstances), and think it should be changed to 20 weeks (retaining the exceptional circumstances rule after this time)
My understanding of this is that the majority of abortions at the later weeks are due to medical issues and not people deciding they no longer want a child.
To be fair to him, he was asked about this without bringing it up and said it wouldn't be a policy, which is good.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:34 - Jun 10 by BlueBoots
Tough one for me this...
I'm pro-choice, but with the advances in medical science meaning that premature babies can survive from 21 weeks, I'm uncomfortable with the current law (24 week limit, abortion possible after 24 weeks in exceptional circumstances), and think it should be changed to 20 weeks (retaining the exceptional circumstances rule after this time)
I agree
I am very much pro choice but how people can abort after nearly 6 months is quite frankly abhorrent.
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Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:50 - Jun 10 with 3207 views
I dint think 12 weeks is unreasonable. If you are going to make a choice to end a life then it certainly shouldn’t be at a stage where he/or she is very much recognisable as a human baby.
I certainly wouldn’t call trying to preserve life as “toxic”.
Like Hunt, this is my personal view and I wouldn’t fierce that view on others.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:50 - Jun 10 by GlasgowBlue
I dint think 12 weeks is unreasonable. If you are going to make a choice to end a life then it certainly shouldn’t be at a stage where he/or she is very much recognisable as a human baby.
I certainly wouldn’t call trying to preserve life as “toxic”.
Like Hunt, this is my personal view and I wouldn’t fierce that view on others.
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Again I might be wrong, but things like anencephaly cannot be detected until much later.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:54 - Jun 10 by DanTheMan
Again I might be wrong, but things like anencephaly cannot be detected until much later.
Essentially that. Over 90% of terminations are performed before 13 weeks, of those performed after 13 weeks they are, overwhelmingly, performed for non-viable foetuses which would either stand no chance of survival outside the womb or in circumstances in which continuing with pregnancy is actively endangering the health of the mother rather than 'elective' procedures.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:14 - Jun 10 by BlueBadger
Essentially that. Over 90% of terminations are performed before 13 weeks, of those performed after 13 weeks they are, overwhelmingly, performed for non-viable foetuses which would either stand no chance of survival outside the womb or in circumstances in which continuing with pregnancy is actively endangering the health of the mother rather than 'elective' procedures.
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My views are formed by personal experience and I’ve posted this before.
16 years ago when my wife was expecting our twin daughters a scan revealed that both babies had cysts on their brains and this is a sign of Edwards Syndrome, which would have see the babies born terribly deformed and unlikely to live past their first birthday. I'm welling up right now thinking about the emotions Mrs GB and myself went through during that period. Obviously one of the options given to us was for my wife to abort the pregnancy. That was very upsetting for me but imagine what the wife was going through.
Thankfully the hospital were able to do further tests that found they didn't have Edwards Syndrome and over the course of the pregnancy the cysts began to shrink to nothingness. We now have two fantastic twin daughters. One who wants to be a human rights lawyer, the other a primary school teacher. They are typical teenagers who love life and have a fantastic future to look forward to.
And that is why I would describe myself as pro life. To me, an abortion is depriving somebody of a wonderful glorious life. It's killing, plain and simple.
I understand that there should be exceptions for medical reasons such as the one I mentioned above and Dan mentioned in the previous post. I fully understand how traumatic it would be for a victim of rape to carry the rapists unborn child for 9 months but in all other circumstances I believe that baby has as much right to live a full and wonderful life as you or I.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:43 - Jun 10 by Mugwump
I agree
I am very much pro choice but how people can abort after nearly 6 months is quite frankly abhorrent.
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Because the alternatives of bringing to term a child that will live a short, painful and disressing life or its mother dying before they come to term are far, far worse.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:19 - Jun 10 by GlasgowBlue
My views are formed by personal experience and I’ve posted this before.
16 years ago when my wife was expecting our twin daughters a scan revealed that both babies had cysts on their brains and this is a sign of Edwards Syndrome, which would have see the babies born terribly deformed and unlikely to live past their first birthday. I'm welling up right now thinking about the emotions Mrs GB and myself went through during that period. Obviously one of the options given to us was for my wife to abort the pregnancy. That was very upsetting for me but imagine what the wife was going through.
Thankfully the hospital were able to do further tests that found they didn't have Edwards Syndrome and over the course of the pregnancy the cysts began to shrink to nothingness. We now have two fantastic twin daughters. One who wants to be a human rights lawyer, the other a primary school teacher. They are typical teenagers who love life and have a fantastic future to look forward to.
And that is why I would describe myself as pro life. To me, an abortion is depriving somebody of a wonderful glorious life. It's killing, plain and simple.
I understand that there should be exceptions for medical reasons such as the one I mentioned above and Dan mentioned in the previous post. I fully understand how traumatic it would be for a victim of rape to carry the rapists unborn child for 9 months but in all other circumstances I believe that baby has as much right to live a full and wonderful life as you or I.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:19 - Jun 10 by GlasgowBlue
My views are formed by personal experience and I’ve posted this before.
16 years ago when my wife was expecting our twin daughters a scan revealed that both babies had cysts on their brains and this is a sign of Edwards Syndrome, which would have see the babies born terribly deformed and unlikely to live past their first birthday. I'm welling up right now thinking about the emotions Mrs GB and myself went through during that period. Obviously one of the options given to us was for my wife to abort the pregnancy. That was very upsetting for me but imagine what the wife was going through.
Thankfully the hospital were able to do further tests that found they didn't have Edwards Syndrome and over the course of the pregnancy the cysts began to shrink to nothingness. We now have two fantastic twin daughters. One who wants to be a human rights lawyer, the other a primary school teacher. They are typical teenagers who love life and have a fantastic future to look forward to.
And that is why I would describe myself as pro life. To me, an abortion is depriving somebody of a wonderful glorious life. It's killing, plain and simple.
I understand that there should be exceptions for medical reasons such as the one I mentioned above and Dan mentioned in the previous post. I fully understand how traumatic it would be for a victim of rape to carry the rapists unborn child for 9 months but in all other circumstances I believe that baby has as much right to live a full and wonderful life as you or I.
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Badge clearly said most of that 10% are for medical reasons.
"of those performed after 13 weeks they tend, overwhelmingly, to be for non-viable foetuses which would either stand no chance of survival outside the womb or are actively endangering the health of the mother rather than 'elective' procedures."
Wouldn't your own circumstances highlight the value of allowing a bit more time to be sure of an early diagnosis?
To me the abortion debate seems to be more about politics than medicine.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:19 - Jun 10 by BlueBadger
Because the alternatives of bringing to term a child that will live a short, painful and disressing life or its mother dying before they come to term are far, far worse.
I accept that. You have completely ignored my second reply.
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Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:27 - Jun 10 with 3105 views
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:25 - Jun 10 by Mugwump
I accept that. You have completely ignored my second reply.
The law is as it is, so as to allow for medically-led, as opposed to elective, terminations. If you start messing about with 'well, you can have one if THIS applies' you end up with all sorts of muddied waters which help neither clinicians or patients.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:24 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue
Badge clearly said most of that 10% are for medical reasons.
"of those performed after 13 weeks they tend, overwhelmingly, to be for non-viable foetuses which would either stand no chance of survival outside the womb or are actively endangering the health of the mother rather than 'elective' procedures."
Wouldn't your own circumstances highlight the value of allowing a bit more time to be sure of an early diagnosis?
To me the abortion debate seems to be more about politics than medicine.
Not most, the overwhelming majority.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 08:56 - Jun 10 by Mugwump
I am sure that their could and should be medical exceptions.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK by BlueBadger10 Jun 2019 9:27 The law is as it is, so as to allow for medically-led, as opposed to elective, terminations. If you start messing about with 'well, you can have one if THIS applies' you end up with all sorts of muddied waters which help neither clinicians or patients.
And also:
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK by BlueBadger10 Jun 2019 9:14 Essentially that. Over 90% of terminations are performed before 13 weeks, of those performed after 13 weeks they are, overwhelmingly, performed for non-viable foetuses which would either stand no chance of survival outside the womb or in circumstances in which continuing with pregnancy is actively endangering the health of the mother rather than 'elective' procedures.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yet more toxic US politics making its way to the UK on 09:27 - Jun 10 by BlueBadger
The law is as it is, so as to allow for medically-led, as opposed to elective, terminations. If you start messing about with 'well, you can have one if THIS applies' you end up with all sorts of muddied waters which help neither clinicians or patients.
Not really, it is quite simple to extend a termination limit for medical reasons, who has said that it will have to be a fixed x term for this and y for that?
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