| New Zealand not messing about 21:30 - Aug 11 with 3432 views | Swansea_Blue |
Four new cases in Auckland and bam - whole City in lockdown plus other measures across the country. Four cases.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53741091
We're having about 1,000 per day (passed 1,000 a couple of days ago for the first time since June). |  |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 21:51 - Aug 11 with 3006 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
None of whom had travelled huh.
Considering their borders are shut to non citizens it Just goes to show how many A-Symptomatic cases there are. Complete lock down rather than just tracing who these 4 have been in contact with seems a bit ridiculous. |  | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 21:53 - Aug 11 with 2989 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 21:51 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
None of whom had travelled huh.
Considering their borders are shut to non citizens it Just goes to show how many A-Symptomatic cases there are. Complete lock down rather than just tracing who these 4 have been in contact with seems a bit ridiculous. |
Not sure someone in the US who has made some excuses for your own shambolic approach is well placed to criticise NZ's approach as ridiculous, mate. |  |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 21:55 - Aug 11 with 2973 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 21:53 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
Not sure someone in the US who has made some excuses for your own shambolic approach is well placed to criticise NZ's approach as ridiculous, mate. |
My approach? Excuses? Please explain.
Surely when you have eradicated the virus and have so few cases then you have the ability to contact trace and isolate. That's the point of contact tracing isn't it? [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 21:57]
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:00 - Aug 11 with 2938 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 21:55 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
My approach? Excuses? Please explain.
Surely when you have eradicated the virus and have so few cases then you have the ability to contact trace and isolate. That's the point of contact tracing isn't it? [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 21:57]
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But as you pointed out there is the issue of asymptomatic cases and transmission, so whilst they've picked up on four cases there may well be more in circulation. Hence the lockdown, which isn't really a full blown lockdown and is only in place for 3 days. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:06 - Aug 11 with 2914 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:00 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
But as you pointed out there is the issue of asymptomatic cases and transmission, so whilst they've picked up on four cases there may well be more in circulation. Hence the lockdown, which isn't really a full blown lockdown and is only in place for 3 days. |
So that's the point, we have no idea how many people have got it and even when you claim it's defeated it's likely there somewhere. So you go along as normal (at least out there, as they have had no known cases for so long) and then if a few cases come up you isolate them and contact trace.
Otherwise by the asymptomatic logic you'd just be in total lock down all the time as assuming it is there?
My general point was NZ is in the position where they can attempt to do what WHO/CDC etc have said everyone should have done from the start. Just seems a bit bizarre to stop everything for 72 hours, not sure what that really achieves. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 22:10]
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:10 - Aug 11 with 2878 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:06 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
So that's the point, we have no idea how many people have got it and even when you claim it's defeated it's likely there somewhere. So you go along as normal (at least out there, as they have had no known cases for so long) and then if a few cases come up you isolate them and contact trace.
Otherwise by the asymptomatic logic you'd just be in total lock down all the time as assuming it is there?
My general point was NZ is in the position where they can attempt to do what WHO/CDC etc have said everyone should have done from the start. Just seems a bit bizarre to stop everything for 72 hours, not sure what that really achieves. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 22:10]
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It gives them three days to see whether anymore cases come up that might then help them to identify a cluster. It should mean three days where, if there are other cases, the risk of spread is reduced. I don't see why anyone would have an issue with this approach. They've been getting it very right so far, I think I'd put some faith in them on this one. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:15 - Aug 11 with 2845 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:10 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
It gives them three days to see whether anymore cases come up that might then help them to identify a cluster. It should mean three days where, if there are other cases, the risk of spread is reduced. I don't see why anyone would have an issue with this approach. They've been getting it very right so far, I think I'd put some faith in them on this one. |
Possibly but with 4 cases and a city of 1.6M it seems quite weird. It probably makes more people rush out and mix together to get essentials from supermarkets etc. I guess they thought they had it beat so are not going to let up now. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 22:15]
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:21 - Aug 11 with 2797 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:15 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Possibly but with 4 cases and a city of 1.6M it seems quite weird. It probably makes more people rush out and mix together to get essentials from supermarkets etc. I guess they thought they had it beat so are not going to let up now. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 22:15]
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I'm not sure the New Zealanders respond to these things in the same irrational, selfish ways many in the UK and US do, mate. That's part of the reason they managed to more or less eliminate it for weeks and weeks and could go back to a fairly normal existence. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:26 - Aug 11 with 2771 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:21 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure the New Zealanders respond to these things in the same irrational, selfish ways many in the UK and US do, mate. That's part of the reason they managed to more or less eliminate it for weeks and weeks and could go back to a fairly normal existence. |
Yes you probably have a point but it's hardly apples to apples either. | | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:30 - Aug 11 with 2763 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:26 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Yes you probably have a point but it's hardly apples to apples either. |
You're right, can't really compare a grown up country with two that have childish sociopaths in charge. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:33 - Aug 11 with 2726 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:30 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
You're right, can't really compare a grown up country with two that have childish sociopaths in charge. |
Get a room you two.
But wear face masks, and don't kiss. |  |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 with 2719 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:30 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
You're right, can't really compare a grown up country with two that have childish sociopaths in charge. |
Or an island in the southwest pacific with a population of under 5M and much less international traffic. | | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 with 2713 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:33 - Aug 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Get a room you two.
But wear face masks, and don't kiss. |
It's just a bit of flanter, mate, we don't need a chaperone. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 with 2701 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
It's just a bit of flanter, mate, we don't need a chaperone. |
Threes company. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:37 - Aug 11 with 2695 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Threes company. |
Not in a pandemic. | | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:40 - Aug 11 with 2670 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:35 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Or an island in the southwest pacific with a population of under 5M and much less international traffic. |
The attitude to the international traffic is probably more relevant than the volume, mate. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 22:47 - Aug 11 with 2650 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:40 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
The attitude to the international traffic is probably more relevant than the volume, mate. |
Sure because international flights land in AKL just like they do at LHR/JFK/LAX/DFW/ATL etc oh wait!
NZ also stopped everything on March 19th, US restrictions came earlier but anyway the point is moot as much as the damage had been done. It was what happened afterwards where the battle was probably won and lost.
The UK policy on international arrivals has been bizarre throughout MATE. | | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:56 - Aug 11 with 2615 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:47 - Aug 11 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Sure because international flights land in AKL just like they do at LHR/JFK/LAX/DFW/ATL etc oh wait!
NZ also stopped everything on March 19th, US restrictions came earlier but anyway the point is moot as much as the damage had been done. It was what happened afterwards where the battle was probably won and lost.
The UK policy on international arrivals has been bizarre throughout MATE. |
Yeah, international flights arrive there. It's not a local airport, mate.
Agreed. We've been at least as shambolic as the US in our response to this, to our eternal shame. | |
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| Nope on 06:56 - Aug 12 with 2410 views | JonBlue |
| New Zealand not messing about on 22:21 - Aug 11 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure the New Zealanders respond to these things in the same irrational, selfish ways many in the UK and US do, mate. That's part of the reason they managed to more or less eliminate it for weeks and weeks and could go back to a fairly normal existence. |
From last 24 hours - "Covid-19 panic buying: PM calls for calm as hundreds queue outside supermarkets"
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423310/covid-19-panic-buying-pm-calls-for-ca
The New Zealand government has handled it better but people are selfish the world over. |  | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 06:56 - Aug 12 with 2407 views | Libero |
Sensible move, New Zealand have dealt with all this with distinction. |  | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 07:59 - Aug 12 with 2324 views | TractorWood |
| New Zealand not messing about on 06:56 - Aug 12 by Libero |
Sensible move, New Zealand have dealt with all this with distinction. |
Agree but a young and sparsely populated country at the end of the earth has a lot going for it. Notwithstanding early decisive action is to be applauded anywhere.
Vietnam's stats are amazing. 100 million population in SE Asia and they've not even had a 1,000 cases and have had 17 deaths. They are battling a few cases recently though. |  |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 08:45 - Aug 12 with 2278 views | Libero |
| New Zealand not messing about on 07:59 - Aug 12 by TractorWood |
Agree but a young and sparsely populated country at the end of the earth has a lot going for it. Notwithstanding early decisive action is to be applauded anywhere.
Vietnam's stats are amazing. 100 million population in SE Asia and they've not even had a 1,000 cases and have had 17 deaths. They are battling a few cases recently though. |
I'm glad you agree, but I can't believe someone reported my original comment for abuse, lol. | | | |
| New Zealand not messing about on 08:48 - Aug 12 with 2273 views | TractorWood |
| New Zealand not messing about on 08:45 - Aug 12 by Libero |
I'm glad you agree, but I can't believe someone reported my original comment for abuse, lol. |
Don't think it was me but I've definitely fat fingered an abuse report or two. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 08:50 - Aug 12 with 2270 views | Herbivore |
| New Zealand not messing about on 08:45 - Aug 12 by Libero |
I'm glad you agree, but I can't believe someone reported my original comment for abuse, lol. |
That was me. I found your praise for New Zealand to be your usual lefty, anti-UK, unpatriotic claptrap. I'm calling for a ban at this point. | |
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| New Zealand not messing about on 08:52 - Aug 12 with 2263 views | Libero |
| New Zealand not messing about on 08:50 - Aug 12 by Herbivore |
That was me. I found your praise for New Zealand to be your usual lefty, anti-UK, unpatriotic claptrap. I'm calling for a ban at this point. |
One of the more reasonable imaginary card wavings that I've experienced in the last month or so on here. | | | |
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