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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT 12:05 - Dec 21 with 5665 viewsTieDyedIn95

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/your-posts-lower-expectations-6860286?

A bit from a convert fan from Colchester.
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:26 - Dec 21 with 2842 viewsFrankfurtBlue

Simply, NO!

In another article from the EADT, I much prefer the quote from Scowie about the high expectations of Burley and Sheepie.

"When we were in the Championship, the minimum he demanded was to reach the play-offs, aiming for the top-two all the time.

It came from the chairman as well — David Sheepshanks - they just didn’t allow us to accept mediocrity."
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:42 - Dec 21 with 2763 viewsNthsuffolkblue

I wonder if Arsenal fans are lowering their expectations that their club should be involved in a relegation fight.

I wonder if Notts County fans are happy to accept that they are not a league club. Have Sunderland and Portsmouth fans lowered their expectations because they have not got out of this league?

Is there any reason why Burnley, Wolves, Leicester, Fulham and Norwich fans get to raise their expectations? We need someone to give us direction instead of accepting that we are doomed to remain a rudderless ship.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:49 - Dec 21 with 2731 viewsMrTown

I do think there is an element of it to be fair.

it is important to look at the squad available, the actually quality of players, players fit, transfer budget and so forth and make a judgement of that.

We are where we are an we should short term level our expectations accordingly, for me it is a top 6 spot, but it won't be plain sailing at all, in fact I don't even think we will get that.

I do think people still judge us frim prvious times, even as short term as mid table Championship side etc, we simply are not that right now, and we need to realise and judge us for what we are a League 1 side competiting with another 8/9 teams for a top 6 spot.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:50 - Dec 21 with 2729 viewsjayessess

As ever the reasoning is a bit tautologous. Ipswich fans must lower their expectations? Why? Because you must expect to be bad now. But why? Because you are bad now etc. etc.
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:55 - Dec 21 with 2691 viewsChocorange

What a lot of rot!

Apart from anything else, we have at least the 2nd biggest budget in the division.( if not the biggest as Sunderland have money issues and a takeover going on) .. we should be challenging to be top not lowering our expectations and settling for 11th .

Money talks in every division , and in every competition... yes you will get odd results , but to be 11th last season against teams with not even a fifth of our budget making the play offs ..show much under performance there was .

And for the owner to accept that, compounds the problem.

The expectations of the fans are in line with where we should be in this division.

Add in the fact of the salary cap coming in next season , and the urgency to get out of this division this season is even bigger... not a time to be accepting such mediocrity and rubbish.
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:59 - Dec 21 with 2677 viewsChurchman

So it’s too much to expect us to win a game or even compete with the top 10 massive clubs inc Donny, Peterborough, Lincoln, Portsmouth, Hull, Accrington. Maybe we should be grateful for scraping an undeserved win against the might of Crewe and Shrewsbury.

But I disagree. I am not expecting a repeat of the Robson or Ramsey years, but I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect us to compete with the above and at least be a competitive Championship club. Nor is it unreasonable to expect a bit than better than a manager who has less idea than a hedgehog and has to be one of the worst in professional football with a disinterested, useless owner that is involved with the club for all the wrong reasons.

Just because the club is probably above where it deserves to be and will no doubt fall a lot further, that is no reason for our expectations to be any less.
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:02 - Dec 21 with 2672 viewsjayessess

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:49 - Dec 21 by MrTown

I do think there is an element of it to be fair.

it is important to look at the squad available, the actually quality of players, players fit, transfer budget and so forth and make a judgement of that.

We are where we are an we should short term level our expectations accordingly, for me it is a top 6 spot, but it won't be plain sailing at all, in fact I don't even think we will get that.

I do think people still judge us frim prvious times, even as short term as mid table Championship side etc, we simply are not that right now, and we need to realise and judge us for what we are a League 1 side competiting with another 8/9 teams for a top 6 spot.


What we expect to happen and what "expectations" we should have are not the same thing.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:11 - Dec 21 with 2638 viewsSteve_M

I know Archant will print any old crap these but more thought goes into copying press releases on fire service call outs.

One sentence from that 'article' though:

"I had a ticket for three seasons"

So no affinity beforehand, limited affinity now. Yeah, cheers for that Geoff.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:18 - Dec 21 with 2591 viewsRadlett_blue

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 12:59 - Dec 21 by Churchman

So it’s too much to expect us to win a game or even compete with the top 10 massive clubs inc Donny, Peterborough, Lincoln, Portsmouth, Hull, Accrington. Maybe we should be grateful for scraping an undeserved win against the might of Crewe and Shrewsbury.

But I disagree. I am not expecting a repeat of the Robson or Ramsey years, but I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect us to compete with the above and at least be a competitive Championship club. Nor is it unreasonable to expect a bit than better than a manager who has less idea than a hedgehog and has to be one of the worst in professional football with a disinterested, useless owner that is involved with the club for all the wrong reasons.

Just because the club is probably above where it deserves to be and will no doubt fall a lot further, that is no reason for our expectations to be any less.
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I think most town fans must have lowered their expectations, although obviously depends how long you have been a fan. After flirting with a return to the PL under Royle, it's been 15 years of stagnation as a mid table 2nd tier club. That actually isn't an unreasonable place for a club the size of Town to be & most of us accept that you need an owner prepared to lose huge sums or to luck out with a managerial genius to have a realistic shot at the PL. After the relegation, caused largely by the abysmal Hurst, we now seem to be near to status as a yo-yo club between the2nd & 3rd tiers, with the upward part of the progression looking very doubtful.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:19 - Dec 21 with 2584 viewsjayessess

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:18 - Dec 21 by Radlett_blue

I think most town fans must have lowered their expectations, although obviously depends how long you have been a fan. After flirting with a return to the PL under Royle, it's been 15 years of stagnation as a mid table 2nd tier club. That actually isn't an unreasonable place for a club the size of Town to be & most of us accept that you need an owner prepared to lose huge sums or to luck out with a managerial genius to have a realistic shot at the PL. After the relegation, caused largely by the abysmal Hurst, we now seem to be near to status as a yo-yo club between the2nd & 3rd tiers, with the upward part of the progression looking very doubtful.


We've only done the down part of the yo-yo thus far.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:31 - Dec 21 with 2537 viewsChurchman

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:18 - Dec 21 by Radlett_blue

I think most town fans must have lowered their expectations, although obviously depends how long you have been a fan. After flirting with a return to the PL under Royle, it's been 15 years of stagnation as a mid table 2nd tier club. That actually isn't an unreasonable place for a club the size of Town to be & most of us accept that you need an owner prepared to lose huge sums or to luck out with a managerial genius to have a realistic shot at the PL. After the relegation, caused largely by the abysmal Hurst, we now seem to be near to status as a yo-yo club between the2nd & 3rd tiers, with the upward part of the progression looking very doubtful.


We are actually heading the other way. People aren’t daft and know the difference between a half decent team and ours. This has nothing to do with expectations as far as I’m concerned.
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:34 - Dec 21 with 2523 viewsIllinoisblue

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:11 - Dec 21 by Steve_M

I know Archant will print any old crap these but more thought goes into copying press releases on fire service call outs.

One sentence from that 'article' though:

"I had a ticket for three seasons"

So no affinity beforehand, limited affinity now. Yeah, cheers for that Geoff.



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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:42 - Dec 21 with 2480 viewsjayessess

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:31 - Dec 21 by Churchman

We are actually heading the other way. People aren’t daft and know the difference between a half decent team and ours. This has nothing to do with expectations as far as I’m concerned.
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The way I think most fans calibrate their expectations is pretty rational, I think.

You ask yourself what resources the club has and what's the maximum they could realistically expect to achieve with them. That's my expectation for what the club should be striving for. For me that's winning this division.

Then you ask yourself what an averagely-competent club would achieve with those resources. That's my expectation for what they should achieve at a minimum. For me that's competing for the top 2 and at least making the play-offs.

I don't see why it should be lowered from there.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:49 - Dec 21 with 2448 viewsSteve_M

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:34 - Dec 21 by Illinoisblue



Yes, I did note the lack of reference to which seasons and, on reflection, I agree with you. This is pure Archant tw@ttery, just lacking the reference to Norwich riding high in the Championship to make it really obvious.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:49 - Dec 21 with 2446 viewsMrTown

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:02 - Dec 21 by jayessess

What we expect to happen and what "expectations" we should have are not the same thing.


Have I suggested otherwise?

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:50 - Dec 21 with 2444 viewsKropotkin123

"If by some miracle Ipswich did finish in the top six, just by their record alone having lost to so many teams above them I can’t see them suddenly going up.

Unfortunately the fans have simply got to lower their expectations."

Doesn't even make sense. We don't expect to go up. We don't believe the management or footballing structure is good enough. Therefore we expect Marcus Evans to sort out the footballing structure and we expect Paul Lambert to resign.

Leeds, Sheff Utd, Southampton... jeez, even Norwich... didn't accept League One status. That is why they are no longer in the division.

Just a tinpot Col U fan trolling.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:51 - Dec 21 with 2432 viewsKropotkin123

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:02 - Dec 21 by jayessess

What we expect to happen and what "expectations" we should have are not the same thing.


Exactly.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:52 - Dec 21 with 2430 viewsjayessess

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:49 - Dec 21 by MrTown

Have I suggested otherwise?


I think that is suggested by your post, yes.
"Lower your expectations" is implicitly about standards not predictions.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:52 - Dec 21 with 2424 viewsHARRY10

Unfortunately too many of our fans base their expectations on what we were over 40 years ago, not what we are now

There are plenty who were in the PL fewer years ago, yet find themselves struggling to tread water now

That is the reality for us, as long as we have an indifferent owner who seems to be unable to draw on the vast resources of our support base, or come up with some long term strategy rather than short term (occasional) fixes
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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:01 - Dec 21 with 2385 viewsjayessess

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:52 - Dec 21 by HARRY10

Unfortunately too many of our fans base their expectations on what we were over 40 years ago, not what we are now

There are plenty who were in the PL fewer years ago, yet find themselves struggling to tread water now

That is the reality for us, as long as we have an indifferent owner who seems to be unable to draw on the vast resources of our support base, or come up with some long term strategy rather than short term (occasional) fixes


The "unfortunate" thing here is not that Ipswich Town supporters have high standards, it's that the people running the club don't share them.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:08 - Dec 21 with 2343 viewsMrTown

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:52 - Dec 21 by jayessess

I think that is suggested by your post, yes.
"Lower your expectations" is implicitly about standards not predictions.


"lower your expectations" - purely means fall back into the real world and understand where we are right now.

That is nothing to do with what I expect us to do this year.

I have suggested that some fans expectations should be lowered based on where we are right now, and I have further stated what I expect to happen this year (fall short of play-offs), I think my post makes that pretty clear.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:10 - Dec 21 with 2336 viewsMrTown

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:01 - Dec 21 by jayessess

The "unfortunate" thing here is not that Ipswich Town supporters have high standards, it's that the people running the club don't share them.


What are these "high standards"

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:18 - Dec 21 with 2308 viewsTheBoyBlue

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:52 - Dec 21 by HARRY10

Unfortunately too many of our fans base their expectations on what we were over 40 years ago, not what we are now

There are plenty who were in the PL fewer years ago, yet find themselves struggling to tread water now

That is the reality for us, as long as we have an indifferent owner who seems to be unable to draw on the vast resources of our support base, or come up with some long term strategy rather than short term (occasional) fixes


I'm not sure anyone expects us to recreate what we once were and very few I imagine think that we have a divine right to be in the Premier League. There are also quite a proportion who appreciate that we aren't the only club of comparable size and quality battling out of this division.

However, we have a squad that even in its depleted form should be doing better. And is it too much to expect us to actually compete in games against anyone who can kick a ball straight?

Many of us just want a properly run club giving us some form of hope.

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:28 - Dec 21 with 2282 viewsIllinoisblue

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:49 - Dec 21 by Steve_M

Yes, I did note the lack of reference to which seasons and, on reflection, I agree with you. This is pure Archant tw@ttery, just lacking the reference to Norwich riding high in the Championship to make it really obvious.


But wait there’s more. Some more poorly written nonsense from April 1 this year. https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/decline-has-been-coming-for-years-your-posts-266024

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'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 14:29 - Dec 21 with 2268 viewsGarv

'Ipswich fans have simply got to lower their expectations'- GEOFFREY KELLY EADT on 13:50 - Dec 21 by Kropotkin123

"If by some miracle Ipswich did finish in the top six, just by their record alone having lost to so many teams above them I can’t see them suddenly going up.

Unfortunately the fans have simply got to lower their expectations."

Doesn't even make sense. We don't expect to go up. We don't believe the management or footballing structure is good enough. Therefore we expect Marcus Evans to sort out the footballing structure and we expect Paul Lambert to resign.

Leeds, Sheff Utd, Southampton... jeez, even Norwich... didn't accept League One status. That is why they are no longer in the division.

Just a tinpot Col U fan trolling.


Leeds and Sheffield United must have 'accepted' their status for a while, considering how long they spent there?

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