No shiiittt Sherlock on 14:48 - Sep 27 with 2453 views | StokieBlue | Whilst I understand the reasoning it doesn't address a few points: - Pubs all closed at the same time before, people could still get drinks when they closed if they wanted so I am not sure so is it really that different? - People need to start taking some responsibility. Yes the government have been poor but that doesn't give the people to act like a bunch of selfish gits. Check out the video I linked in the other thread - people need to take some personal responsibility for their actions. Pointing to someone else doing something and saying "they did it too" has never been an acceptable defence and it shouldn't be now. SB |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 14:54 - Sep 27 with 2422 views | gtsb1966 |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 14:48 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | Whilst I understand the reasoning it doesn't address a few points: - Pubs all closed at the same time before, people could still get drinks when they closed if they wanted so I am not sure so is it really that different? - People need to start taking some responsibility. Yes the government have been poor but that doesn't give the people to act like a bunch of selfish gits. Check out the video I linked in the other thread - people need to take some personal responsibility for their actions. Pointing to someone else doing something and saying "they did it too" has never been an acceptable defence and it shouldn't be now. SB |
Absolutely agree 100% that people should start taking responsibility for their actions...but some won't. Pubs didn't all close at the same time before, not where I live anyway. The point about closing times though is that people would leave at different times the later the night went on. It was staggered. Now it's one mass leaving. |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:14 - Sep 27 with 2365 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 14:48 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | Whilst I understand the reasoning it doesn't address a few points: - Pubs all closed at the same time before, people could still get drinks when they closed if they wanted so I am not sure so is it really that different? - People need to start taking some responsibility. Yes the government have been poor but that doesn't give the people to act like a bunch of selfish gits. Check out the video I linked in the other thread - people need to take some personal responsibility for their actions. Pointing to someone else doing something and saying "they did it too" has never been an acceptable defence and it shouldn't be now. SB |
Yes, pubs have usually all shut at 11 but after that people would go to bars or clubs that all had different closing times ... now it’s literally anyone who is out that night chucked on the streets on the dot of 10pm ... I was out in London last night and train home shortly after 10 was the busiest I’ve seen it |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:18 - Sep 27 with 2355 views | StokieBlue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:14 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | Yes, pubs have usually all shut at 11 but after that people would go to bars or clubs that all had different closing times ... now it’s literally anyone who is out that night chucked on the streets on the dot of 10pm ... I was out in London last night and train home shortly after 10 was the busiest I’ve seen it |
Never the individuals fault is it Paz? Perhaps mass socialising at the moment with train journeys into London isn't a particularly sensible thing to do? Probably were more than 6 of you as well given you've already said you will bend that rule. SB |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:24 - Sep 27 with 2322 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:18 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | Never the individuals fault is it Paz? Perhaps mass socialising at the moment with train journeys into London isn't a particularly sensible thing to do? Probably were more than 6 of you as well given you've already said you will bend that rule. SB |
I don’t think having a few beers with a couple of mates counts as mass socialising ... Trains can be taken perfectly safely so no problems there ... The two pubs I was in were both very strict ... masks at all times except when sat at your table. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:23 - Sep 27 with 2144 views | StokieBlue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:24 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | I don’t think having a few beers with a couple of mates counts as mass socialising ... Trains can be taken perfectly safely so no problems there ... The two pubs I was in were both very strict ... masks at all times except when sat at your table. |
You made a big deal about your holiday being a trip to somewhere with far less C19 and thus it was fine but now it's also apparently fine to visit somewhere that has more C19 (London) and the return home. Would you say that's an inconsistent position? SB [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 17:25]
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:26 - Sep 27 with 2130 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:23 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | You made a big deal about your holiday being a trip to somewhere with far less C19 and thus it was fine but now it's also apparently fine to visit somewhere that has more C19 (London) and the return home. Would you say that's an inconsistent position? SB [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 17:25]
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Sorry, should have explained I live on the outskirts of London ... meant I’d been into central |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:28 - Sep 27 with 2126 views | StokieBlue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:26 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | Sorry, should have explained I live on the outskirts of London ... meant I’d been into central |
I thought you lived in Suffolk for some reason! I agree it's different moving within the city given you said you observed the rules. SB |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:29 - Sep 27 with 2120 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 17:28 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | I thought you lived in Suffolk for some reason! I agree it's different moving within the city given you said you observed the rules. SB |
Reading the post back it did read like that, should have been clearer |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 19:29 - Sep 27 with 2001 views | hampstead_blue | So easy for Lammy to blame the Government for individuals ignoring the rules on social distancing. I think SB nailed it tbh. People should take responsibility for their actions. End of. If you want marshall law then just ask. You won't like it. Your whole post is as poor as Lammy's complaint. Sorry but it's not the fault of the Gov but the people. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 19:52 - Sep 27 with 1959 views | gtsb1966 |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 19:29 - Sep 27 by hampstead_blue | So easy for Lammy to blame the Government for individuals ignoring the rules on social distancing. I think SB nailed it tbh. People should take responsibility for their actions. End of. If you want marshall law then just ask. You won't like it. Your whole post is as poor as Lammy's complaint. Sorry but it's not the fault of the Gov but the people. |
Yes people should more responsible. Would you admit your government have messed this up |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 20:02 - Sep 27 with 1940 views | giant_stow |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 19:52 - Sep 27 by gtsb1966 | Yes people should more responsible. Would you admit your government have messed this up |
I went out in Hackney last night and the street were busy at kicking out time - no messing about like int the video, but just too many people on one pavement. Not sure how wise it was to be at the pub right tbh - felt like it might be last ine for a while. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 20:46 - Sep 27 with 1885 views | Ely_Blue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 15:24 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | I don’t think having a few beers with a couple of mates counts as mass socialising ... Trains can be taken perfectly safely so no problems there ... The two pubs I was in were both very strict ... masks at all times except when sat at your table. |
Why not just go to your local? No need to take a train into London to go for a few beers surely? |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 20:57 - Sep 27 with 1868 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 20:46 - Sep 27 by Ely_Blue | Why not just go to your local? No need to take a train into London to go for a few beers surely? |
I live in Romford so it’s not actually that far. Was meeting people who live in other parts of London so made sense to meet centrally. Not that I need to explain myself to you. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:14 - Sep 27 with 1841 views | Ely_Blue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 20:57 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | I live in Romford so it’s not actually that far. Was meeting people who live in other parts of London so made sense to meet centrally. Not that I need to explain myself to you. |
Stop being a d1ck just to justify your actions |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:20 - Sep 27 with 1825 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:14 - Sep 27 by Ely_Blue | Stop being a d1ck just to justify your actions |
Sorry? What exactly are you slagging me off for? Going out for a couple of pints? |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:22 - Sep 27 with 1822 views | BABLUE |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 19:52 - Sep 27 by gtsb1966 | Yes people should more responsible. Would you admit your government have messed this up |
I think it is unlikely that someone like Hampstead will blame the Tories for the massive death toll on their watch. But Corbyn.... |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:48 - Sep 27 with 1788 views | Plums | Operation blame the public in full swing. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:51 - Sep 27 with 1778 views | StokieBlue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:48 - Sep 27 by Plums | Operation blame the public in full swing. |
You don't think people should take any responsibility? People should act however they want regardless of the rules? SB |  | |  |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:55 - Sep 27 with 1771 views | Melford | One big mistake was having Bank Holiday Monday as the last day of the Eat Out scheme, we did 2 weeks normal business in one day. One of the busiest days I've ever worked, it was a Bank Holiday with half-price food and soft drinks. Everywhere doing food was packed out, it's no surprise that there's been a spike since then. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 22:10 - Sep 27 with 1738 views | Ely_Blue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:20 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz | Sorry? What exactly are you slagging me off for? Going out for a couple of pints? |
So what is it “Trains can be taken perfectly safely” or “ I was out in London last night and train home shortly after 10 was the busiest I’ve seen it” As I said if you know it’s going to be bad then take some responsibility |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 22:14 - Sep 27 with 1728 views | 26_Paz |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 22:10 - Sep 27 by Ely_Blue | So what is it “Trains can be taken perfectly safely” or “ I was out in London last night and train home shortly after 10 was the busiest I’ve seen it” As I said if you know it’s going to be bad then take some responsibility |
Trains can be taken perfectly safely. I was merely observing that last night was busier than usual to contribute to the debate that setting an arbitrary closing time for all licensed premises may have unintended consequences. I was then rather randomly called ‘a d1ck’ by some cretin who obviously gets his kicks swearing at people on the internet. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 22:42 - Sep 27 with 1693 views | Plums |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:51 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | You don't think people should take any responsibility? People should act however they want regardless of the rules? SB |
No, I think people should absolutely take responsibility. However, there is a proportion of society that doesn’t. The government are creating conditions with their ambiguous messaging that means those people will always push too far and cause problems. They know this. 10pm closing was always going to cause this issue as was sending students back to University. They have done nothing to mitigate it as it conveniently deflects from scrutiny of their own corruption and incompetence. |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 23:10 - Sep 27 with 1652 views | catch74 |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 21:51 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue | You don't think people should take any responsibility? People should act however they want regardless of the rules? SB |
You’ve nailed the problem SB, I’m incredibly proud of our pub, the way we’ve been strict throughout, we were already closing at 10, already table service only, we were already max 2 households inside, no big groups. We got slated by some customers, more or less all have said we’ve been the strictest and safest place they’ve been - we’ve just done what we were told and was safe . So what happened away from our pub - the locals met at their houses, the pub down the road had lock ins, the other pubs we visited (and left) had no clue of their responsibilities or didn’t care etc etc Why are we failing, because a large proportion of the population has no interest in society, just themselves. It is scary how much this has changed with staff I hire now, just interested in what’s in it for themselves, poles apart from when I first started. The strangest change has been I’d say the last 5 years or so - the inability to take basic instructions - the looks I get from some new staff when they’re asked to do something, often basic tasks - nothing sordid. Our country for one reason or another has lost the idea of society and is losing the ability to follow instructions. I blame Thatcher and Cummings although there’s been so much cr@p from so many politicians from both sides in between. I don’t think anything will work as there’s always going to be a large part of the population unwilling to do what’s best for everyone. We need a fresh start, a new leadership - Phil and Gav, are you ready for the next step? |  |
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No shiiittt Sherlock on 23:18 - Sep 27 with 1638 views | Ely_Blue |
No shiiittt Sherlock on 23:10 - Sep 27 by catch74 | You’ve nailed the problem SB, I’m incredibly proud of our pub, the way we’ve been strict throughout, we were already closing at 10, already table service only, we were already max 2 households inside, no big groups. We got slated by some customers, more or less all have said we’ve been the strictest and safest place they’ve been - we’ve just done what we were told and was safe . So what happened away from our pub - the locals met at their houses, the pub down the road had lock ins, the other pubs we visited (and left) had no clue of their responsibilities or didn’t care etc etc Why are we failing, because a large proportion of the population has no interest in society, just themselves. It is scary how much this has changed with staff I hire now, just interested in what’s in it for themselves, poles apart from when I first started. The strangest change has been I’d say the last 5 years or so - the inability to take basic instructions - the looks I get from some new staff when they’re asked to do something, often basic tasks - nothing sordid. Our country for one reason or another has lost the idea of society and is losing the ability to follow instructions. I blame Thatcher and Cummings although there’s been so much cr@p from so many politicians from both sides in between. I don’t think anything will work as there’s always going to be a large part of the population unwilling to do what’s best for everyone. We need a fresh start, a new leadership - Phil and Gav, are you ready for the next step? |
Well said sir, you have my utmost respect |  |
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