| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend 15:41 - Nov 17 with 4362 views | wkj |
In the interests of maintaining tradition. I do enjoy Christmas, don't get me wrong - but it is starting to feel like Boris is putting all his chips on delivering a traditional Christmas above all else.
Bypassing the quarantine for the sake of tradition? Its a yikes from me.
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:44 - Nov 17 with 2827 views | Swailsey |
My (not so) bold prediction:
02/12/20 - Lockdown lifted.
Cases rise.
15/12/20 - Lockdown reinstated.
Cases fall.
23/12/20 - Lockdown lifted for 5 days.
Cases rise. Elderly deaths.
28/12/20 - Full lockdown implemented until March 2021.
Cases continue to rise.
Toilet roll runs out.
PL still our Manager. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:45]
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:47 - Nov 17 with 2803 views | hype313 |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:44 - Nov 17 by Swailsey |
My (not so) bold prediction:
02/12/20 - Lockdown lifted.
Cases rise.
15/12/20 - Lockdown reinstated.
Cases fall.
23/12/20 - Lockdown lifted for 5 days.
Cases rise. Elderly deaths.
28/12/20 - Full lockdown implemented until March 2021.
Cases continue to rise.
Toilet roll runs out.
PL still our Manager. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:45]
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02/12/20 -Lockdown ends
03/12-20 - Tier 4 nationally (Lockdown all in but name)
01/01/21 - Lockdown until Easter when mass vaccination rollout starts. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:47 - Nov 17 with 2800 views | footers |
Turkey is the least of the Christmas meats. Give me a honey, mustard and orange glazed gammon any day of the week. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:48]
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:48 - Nov 17 with 2795 views | Swailsey |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:47 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
02/12/20 -Lockdown ends
03/12-20 - Tier 4 nationally (Lockdown all in but name)
01/01/21 - Lockdown until Easter when mass vaccination rollout starts. |
You may be right.
Except - 23-26/12/20 - lockdown lifted so families can meet and stuff. | |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:48 - Nov 17 with 2791 views | SaleAway |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:44 - Nov 17 by Swailsey |
My (not so) bold prediction:
02/12/20 - Lockdown lifted.
Cases rise.
15/12/20 - Lockdown reinstated.
Cases fall.
23/12/20 - Lockdown lifted for 5 days.
Cases rise. Elderly deaths.
28/12/20 - Full lockdown implemented until March 2021.
Cases continue to rise.
Toilet roll runs out.
PL still our Manager. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:45]
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there's no way that a lockdown on 15th december would cause a reversal of rising cases in time for christmas... it takes time for lockdowns to take effect....
My not so bold prediction...
2/12/20 - press conference held to say that cases are going in the right direction, but in order that we can have a "normal christmas", it will be extended for 2 further weeks.
16/12/20 lockdown lifted
4/1/2021 back in lockdown. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:52 - Nov 17 with 2767 views | clive_baker |
It's just the latest little bit of fun in his 'trying to be a war time PM' role play and lifelong fantasy.
He sees it as the equivalent of a Christmas day ceasefire and truce. He'll be outside Downing Street having a kickabout with Starmer without a face mask in sight. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:53 - Nov 17 with 2759 views | clive_baker |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:47 - Nov 17 by footers |
Turkey is the least of the Christmas meats. Give me a honey, mustard and orange glazed gammon any day of the week. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:48]
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You'll find plenty of that in the HoC....amirite?
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:57 - Nov 17 with 2748 views | StokieBlue |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:48 - Nov 17 by SaleAway |
there's no way that a lockdown on 15th december would cause a reversal of rising cases in time for christmas... it takes time for lockdowns to take effect....
My not so bold prediction...
2/12/20 - press conference held to say that cases are going in the right direction, but in order that we can have a "normal christmas", it will be extended for 2 further weeks.
16/12/20 lockdown lifted
4/1/2021 back in lockdown. |
I still think it's madness to let people meet up at Christmas but I feel I am in the minority in that view.
I think the only possible way it could work would be to close schools a week early and ask everyone to isolate for a 10 days or so and then not travel to meet up for Christmas if they have symptoms. Whether people will listen I have no idea.
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:58 - Nov 17 with 2738 views | Swailsey |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:57 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue |
I still think it's madness to let people meet up at Christmas but I feel I am in the minority in that view.
I think the only possible way it could work would be to close schools a week early and ask everyone to isolate for a 10 days or so and then not travel to meet up for Christmas if they have symptoms. Whether people will listen I have no idea.
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No, I agree. I just don't believe it will happen.
He will never want to be the man who cancelled Christmas.
I don't know when 'Draconian' and 'protecting people from a pandemic' became interchangeable, but there we are. | |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:00 - Nov 17 with 2733 views | hype313 |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:57 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue |
I still think it's madness to let people meet up at Christmas but I feel I am in the minority in that view.
I think the only possible way it could work would be to close schools a week early and ask everyone to isolate for a 10 days or so and then not travel to meet up for Christmas if they have symptoms. Whether people will listen I have no idea.
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The government seem hell bent on making sure Christmas happens, interestingly they never felt that compelled when it can to Diwali or Ramadan.... | |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:01 - Nov 17 with 2729 views | DanTheMan |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:47 - Nov 17 by footers |
Turkey is the least of the Christmas meats. Give me a honey, mustard and orange glazed gammon any day of the week. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 15:48]
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Doesn't help that most people just stick it in the oven with no regard for how to actually cook one properly. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:02 - Nov 17 with 2723 views | wkj |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:57 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue |
I still think it's madness to let people meet up at Christmas but I feel I am in the minority in that view.
I think the only possible way it could work would be to close schools a week early and ask everyone to isolate for a 10 days or so and then not travel to meet up for Christmas if they have symptoms. Whether people will listen I have no idea.
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I think with this ruling the government are saying we can make whatever rules we like for Christmas, or rather, that is how people will interpret it.
In all honesty, COVID and Christmas is a game of political point scoring even Boris can't get wrong..
"GET CHRISTMAS DONE!"
"I'll be caught dead in a ditch before people have to spent Christmas apart"
In my mind this flimsy lock down is more about damage limitation before Christmas so that the numbers don't look so bad afterwards - which, like others, I feel is when the actual lockdown will begin. | |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:08 - Nov 17 with 2705 views | StokieBlue |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:00 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
The government seem hell bent on making sure Christmas happens, interestingly they never felt that compelled when it can to Diwali or Ramadan.... |
Indeed, funny that eh.
The problem with Christmas is multi-dimensional though and that is N dimensions too many for our government to think about:
- People coming from separated areas to a single point and back again is a bad idea.
- Multi-generational gatherings involving grandparents are probably a bad idea.
- Being indoors, even wearing a mask, won't prevent C19 infection (see studies).
- Christmas is never just family, people will meet friends on the other days.
It's just a massive vector of transmission. Fine to have Christmas if people are willing to accept that it almost certainly means a long and strict lockdown afterwards and the possible risk of infecting ones family.
As an aside, It's C19's birthday today. First case recorded on 17th November 2019.
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:09 - Nov 17 with 2694 views | bluelagos |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:48 - Nov 17 by SaleAway |
there's no way that a lockdown on 15th december would cause a reversal of rising cases in time for christmas... it takes time for lockdowns to take effect....
My not so bold prediction...
2/12/20 - press conference held to say that cases are going in the right direction, but in order that we can have a "normal christmas", it will be extended for 2 further weeks.
16/12/20 lockdown lifted
4/1/2021 back in lockdown. |
Yep, except I don't think NYE will be seen in without a lockdown. I reckon it will be 10 days or so, 5 either side of XMAS of groups of 6 indoors before we return to tighter rules.
Shops likely to be allowed to open Dec 3 through to mid Jan.
Not saying any of that is sensible, but I reckon the Govt wont want to be seen as ruining xmas. NYE is far less of an issue imho. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:10 - Nov 17 with 2686 views | BlueBadger |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:02 - Nov 17 by wkj |
I think with this ruling the government are saying we can make whatever rules we like for Christmas, or rather, that is how people will interpret it.
In all honesty, COVID and Christmas is a game of political point scoring even Boris can't get wrong..
"GET CHRISTMAS DONE!"
"I'll be caught dead in a ditch before people have to spent Christmas apart"
In my mind this flimsy lock down is more about damage limitation before Christmas so that the numbers don't look so bad afterwards - which, like others, I feel is when the actual lockdown will begin. |
I am dreading with all my heart, December 27 and 28. They're traditionally the busiest days in the hospital year as people who've been 'having on' for one last Christmas all fall off their perches, the long bank holds means people 'sitting' on illnesses at home and then being seen by GPS when they're REALLY sick and on top of this, we've got covid to contend with.
All this week at [redacted] we've had utterly inappropriate places like ambulatory assessment and the 'day treatment' until occupied with beds to accommodate surging demand and still it's not enough capacity.
This week I've seen the most frail and vulnerable on trolleys for periods of 24 hours and longer.
Weirdly though, I personally haven't been very busy. Capacity has been hideous but acuity has been manageable. That won't last though. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:19 - Nov 17 with 2669 views | StokieBlue |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:09 - Nov 17 by bluelagos |
Yep, except I don't think NYE will be seen in without a lockdown. I reckon it will be 10 days or so, 5 either side of XMAS of groups of 6 indoors before we return to tighter rules.
Shops likely to be allowed to open Dec 3 through to mid Jan.
Not saying any of that is sensible, but I reckon the Govt wont want to be seen as ruining xmas. NYE is far less of an issue imho. |
Groups of 6 wouldn't be too bad as long as it was confined to a single group of 6 and not different groups everyday for 10 days.
Someone on here was saying 4 households the other day which seemed a lot.
Does anyone care about NYE? Definitely shouldn't worry about "ruining" that.
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:20 - Nov 17 with 2667 views | hype313 |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:08 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue |
Indeed, funny that eh.
The problem with Christmas is multi-dimensional though and that is N dimensions too many for our government to think about:
- People coming from separated areas to a single point and back again is a bad idea.
- Multi-generational gatherings involving grandparents are probably a bad idea.
- Being indoors, even wearing a mask, won't prevent C19 infection (see studies).
- Christmas is never just family, people will meet friends on the other days.
It's just a massive vector of transmission. Fine to have Christmas if people are willing to accept that it almost certainly means a long and strict lockdown afterwards and the possible risk of infecting ones family.
As an aside, It's C19's birthday today. First case recorded on 17th November 2019.
SB |
Happy Birthday C19! I would say many happy returns...
This year we are just having myself, wife and two children at Xmas, staying in our bubble, to be honest after the past few years it's going to be quite nice to have a quiet one as opposed to 12 or more like recent years.
Unfortunately I can't see many others doing the same... | |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:22 - Nov 17 with 2659 views | GlasgowBlue |
The same up here. My area and many others are now going into lockdown until the 11th December in order to “save Christmas”. No one seemed bothered about saving any other religious festival.
They could have shut us down from 24/12 until the end of January when it’s dead anyway. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:26 - Nov 17 with 2643 views | J2BLUE |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:22 - Nov 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The same up here. My area and many others are now going into lockdown until the 11th December in order to “save Christmas”. No one seemed bothered about saving any other religious festival.
They could have shut us down from 24/12 until the end of January when it’s dead anyway. |
Perhaps that's because the vast majority of people actually celebrate Christmas?
If I lived in a country where the vast majority celebrated Eid but not Christmas I would completely understand them placing much higher importance on Eid and ignoring Christmas.
Not sure why so many of you keep posting this nonsense. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:29 - Nov 17 with 2621 views | Churchman |
I agree. The fact is that Christmas can be held any time and the health of people should come first.
A couple of years ago my mother was in Ipswich A&E Christmas Day and the last thing on anyone’s mind was Christmas. That will be the case for many more people than necessary this year, with C-19 raging uncontrolled, unless the hapless muppets get a grip. |  | | |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:31 - Nov 17 with 2611 views | judespiveyg |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 15:57 - Nov 17 by StokieBlue |
I still think it's madness to let people meet up at Christmas but I feel I am in the minority in that view.
I think the only possible way it could work would be to close schools a week early and ask everyone to isolate for a 10 days or so and then not travel to meet up for Christmas if they have symptoms. Whether people will listen I have no idea.
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To your schools point, while it's technically not school at uni that isolation plan is kind of going to happen. Tested at the end of this month, if we're negative we go home 3-9th December, if positive isolation for a couple of weeks before returning for Christmas.
At the very least it will stop people bringing the virus across the country with them, like in September. |  |
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:33 - Nov 17 with 2601 views | BlueBadger |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:26 - Nov 17 by J2BLUE |
Perhaps that's because the vast majority of people actually celebrate Christmas?
If I lived in a country where the vast majority celebrated Eid but not Christmas I would completely understand them placing much higher importance on Eid and ignoring Christmas.
Not sure why so many of you keep posting this nonsense. |
Can't speak for anyone else, but if my Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and Jain colleagues have had constraints put on 'their'' festivals, I'm not going to be over fussed about any of 'mine'.
If the Greeks can live without Easter being celebrated 'properly', we can live with Christmas.
This is pure and simply Boris playing to the gallery, being prepared to take unnecessary risks for the the sake of a his ego and the headlines in the Sun and nothing else. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 10:12]
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:33 - Nov 17 with 2592 views | StokieBlue |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:31 - Nov 17 by judespiveyg |
To your schools point, while it's technically not school at uni that isolation plan is kind of going to happen. Tested at the end of this month, if we're negative we go home 3-9th December, if positive isolation for a couple of weeks before returning for Christmas.
At the very least it will stop people bringing the virus across the country with them, like in September. |
Yep, I think it should be for all levels of schooling though. If it's not then there could be many taking C19 back to the elderly relatives as a Christmas present which nobody wants.
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| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:34 - Nov 17 with 2589 views | StokieBlue |
| Isn't it funny how the rules can bend on 16:26 - Nov 17 by J2BLUE |
Perhaps that's because the vast majority of people actually celebrate Christmas?
If I lived in a country where the vast majority celebrated Eid but not Christmas I would completely understand them placing much higher importance on Eid and ignoring Christmas.
Not sure why so many of you keep posting this nonsense. |
I don't think it is nonsense though.
Are we saying that things should simply be weighted based on how many people do them? I don't think that's right, it should be based on evidence. The evidence was that Eid would be a large vector of transmission within that group and thus it was "cancelled".
The evidence is clearly the same for Christmas yet a different approach is taken. It could be argued that Christmas is a far worse vector given more people will be travelling and meeting.
Should celebrating any day have a higher importance than managing the pandemic?
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