| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature 12:42 - Feb 2 with 745 views | NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-55893696
Ought we try, once again, to protect our planet by greater integration with existing global and national economic systems, allowing 'sustainable economic growth and development', or is this approach just too susceptible to the usual (inevitable) corruption, manipulation and profit-seeking involved in outsourcing contracts to the private sector. Isn't there a better way? Heavier legislation, organised voluntary monitoring groups, meaningful enforcement? |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 with 703 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |  | | |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 697 views | Kropotkin123 |
I don't know how you enforce things on a global scale... How do you stop Brazil cutting down their rainforest?
Try convincing Jair Bolsonaro - A president that is pro the Brazilian military dictatorship, against measures to stop Covid19, pro "agribusiness" (a euphemism for profits > preservation), against women's equality (literally says women shouldn't get the same salary as men for the same job because they get pregnant). |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:20 - Feb 2 with 694 views | BloomBlue |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |
Precisely, the human population growth is outstripping resources until that's addressed the end result is inevitable |  | | |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:30 - Feb 2 with 682 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |
The population growth myth.
Many of the richest countries in the world have low growth (UK) or are in decline (South Korea). The rate of growth in what were impoverished nations - like Bangladesh - have significantly dropped. Africa is really the last continent that needs to overcome population growth issues.
What we have now is increased resource consumption per person. This is the real issue to deal with going forward, as the population growth is being addressed successfully over time.
In the 1950s global births per women were 4.97. We are now down to 2.5. Projections show 2.0 before 2100
EDIT: Here is a link to the countries I mentioned. - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-UN?tab=chart&time=1950 [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 13:35]
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:33 - Feb 2 with 662 views | chicoazul |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |
Wrong elephant. Train your gun on the one that uses all the resources. There’s plenty to go around but some elephants and selfish short sighted and greedy. |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:38 - Feb 2 with 655 views | SpruceMoose |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:20 - Feb 2 by Kropotkin123 |
I don't know how you enforce things on a global scale... How do you stop Brazil cutting down their rainforest?
Try convincing Jair Bolsonaro - A president that is pro the Brazilian military dictatorship, against measures to stop Covid19, pro "agribusiness" (a euphemism for profits > preservation), against women's equality (literally says women shouldn't get the same salary as men for the same job because they get pregnant). |
Woah there! You're forgetting about the 'tell him some facts and he will change his ways' school of philosophy. I'm sure they'll save the day any, er, century, now. |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:40 - Feb 2 with 649 views | WD19 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:30 - Feb 2 by Kropotkin123 |
The population growth myth.
Many of the richest countries in the world have low growth (UK) or are in decline (South Korea). The rate of growth in what were impoverished nations - like Bangladesh - have significantly dropped. Africa is really the last continent that needs to overcome population growth issues.
What we have now is increased resource consumption per person. This is the real issue to deal with going forward, as the population growth is being addressed successfully over time.
In the 1950s global births per women were 4.97. We are now down to 2.5. Projections show 2.0 before 2100
EDIT: Here is a link to the countries I mentioned. - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-UN?tab=chart&time=1950 [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 13:35]
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Even by your own maths the worlds population would still be c.11 billion by 2100. This is versus 1.6bn as recently at 1900.
That's a big old squad to keep happy. |  | | |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:40 - Feb 2 with 649 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:33 - Feb 2 by chicoazul |
Wrong elephant. Train your gun on the one that uses all the resources. There’s plenty to go around but some elephants and selfish short sighted and greedy. |
The WEF has forecast that at current growth rates demand for water will outstrip supply by the middle of this century.
So there clearly isn't plenty to go round... | | | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:43 - Feb 2 with 637 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:40 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The WEF has forecast that at current growth rates demand for water will outstrip supply by the middle of this century.
So there clearly isn't plenty to go round... |
Exactly, resource consumption.
EDIT:
USA: High resource consumption
Water Used (m³, thouand of liters) = 444,300,000,000
Population = 320,878,310
Daily Water Used Per Capita (liters) = 3,794
Nigeria = High population growth
Water Used (m³, thouand of liters) = 12,470,000,000
Population = 158,503,197
Daily Water Used Per Capita (liters) = 216
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/water/ [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 13:56]
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:44 - Feb 2 with 635 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:40 - Feb 2 by WD19 |
Even by your own maths the worlds population would still be c.11 billion by 2100. This is versus 1.6bn as recently at 1900.
That's a big old squad to keep happy. |
The accusation was "One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth."
The point is, it is being effectively challenged around the world, by world leaders. We have 70 years of statistics that prove this. | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:50 - Feb 2 with 619 views | gordon |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |
It really isn't an elephant in the room. DFID (UK overseas aid program) used to be a world leader in working in some of the most difficult countries in the world to empower women by improving access to education, contraception and family planning.
We used to address this 'elephant in the room' brilliantly, and did so for many many years - but repeated cuts to foreign aid budgets, nonsense exposes in tabloid newspapers, and a series of cr*p ministers mean that 'global britain' doesn't anymore. |  | | |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:57 - Feb 2 with 603 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:50 - Feb 2 by gordon |
It really isn't an elephant in the room. DFID (UK overseas aid program) used to be a world leader in working in some of the most difficult countries in the world to empower women by improving access to education, contraception and family planning.
We used to address this 'elephant in the room' brilliantly, and did so for many many years - but repeated cuts to foreign aid budgets, nonsense exposes in tabloid newspapers, and a series of cr*p ministers mean that 'global britain' doesn't anymore. |
Bangladesh being a major success story of this approach. | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:58 - Feb 2 with 592 views | chicoazul |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:40 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The WEF has forecast that at current growth rates demand for water will outstrip supply by the middle of this century.
So there clearly isn't plenty to go round... |
What do you think “demand” is based on? | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:58 - Feb 2 with 598 views | Darth_Koont |
More enlightened countries are starting to see the traditional prosperity of growth and consumption as well out-of-date. Economic stability is still important but real prosperity will measure that economic well-being in terms of the resulting health, education, environment, equality, liberty and happiness.
There’s little to suggest that the classic neoliberal, free-market approach delivers on those terms. But it doesn’t even deliver on GDP and productivity by the looks of it – not in developed countries anyway. |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:00 - Feb 2 with 597 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:50 - Feb 2 by gordon |
It really isn't an elephant in the room. DFID (UK overseas aid program) used to be a world leader in working in some of the most difficult countries in the world to empower women by improving access to education, contraception and family planning.
We used to address this 'elephant in the room' brilliantly, and did so for many many years - but repeated cuts to foreign aid budgets, nonsense exposes in tabloid newspapers, and a series of cr*p ministers mean that 'global britain' doesn't anymore. |
That's good that it's (was) being addressed. I don't think there is enough good publicity around the work they do (just the stupid media headlines like the Ethiopian girl band).
It's a shame the Gov't have cut funding so they can reallocate our taxes to their pals. | | | |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:05 - Feb 2 with 581 views | BlueBadger |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:38 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Woah there! You're forgetting about the 'tell him some facts and he will change his ways' school of philosophy. I'm sure they'll save the day any, er, century, now. |
We should be Listening To His Very Real Concerns and Seeking To Engage And Build Bridges rather than demonising him.
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:11 - Feb 2 with 564 views | BlueBadger |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:00 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
That's good that it's (was) being addressed. I don't think there is enough good publicity around the work they do (just the stupid media headlines like the Ethiopian girl band).
It's a shame the Gov't have cut funding so they can reallocate our taxes to their pals. |
Perhaps stop voting for them? | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:15 - Feb 2 with 554 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:17 - Feb 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth.
Not only the additional consumption, but the inevitable conflicts for resources in the future, land, food, water etc. |
We've gone from something like 40mil to 70mil people on this island alone in the last 80 years, and what a state it has become in that time, concreted over and dumped on everywhere but nobody seems to care about it one jot, let alone the rest of the world.
Shocking abuse by politicians who's campaigns and thus careers are paid for by the big business behind it, but will anyone be punished for it? Not a chance. We're still arguing about Brexit and whether a virus is real or not instead.
Hang them all I say. |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:16 - Feb 2 with 549 views | SpruceMoose |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:11 - Feb 2 by BlueBadger |
Perhaps stop voting for them? |
Let's not be hasty. There's a lot of extremely good, but extremely quiet people in that party.
They're also very unlucky people too, never getting the opportunity to display their inherent goodness. They're the Arsene Wenger of politics, some might say - Always looking the other way when something controversial happens. | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:24 - Feb 2 with 520 views | factual_blue |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:05 - Feb 2 by BlueBadger |
We should be Listening To His Very Real Concerns and Seeking To Engage And Build Bridges rather than demonising him.
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Don't mention bridges and Brazil. boris will want to build one. |  |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:26 - Feb 2 with 518 views | factual_blue |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 14:16 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Let's not be hasty. There's a lot of extremely good, but extremely quiet people in that party.
They're also very unlucky people too, never getting the opportunity to display their inherent goodness. They're the Arsene Wenger of politics, some might say - Always looking the other way when something controversial happens. |
Sweetcorn etc. | |
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| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 16:00 - Feb 2 with 457 views | bluelagos |
| Prosperity comes at 'devastating' cost to nature on 13:44 - Feb 2 by Kropotkin123 |
The accusation was "One day hopefully leaders will have the courage to address the elephant in the room of unsustainable population growth."
The point is, it is being effectively challenged around the world, by world leaders. We have 70 years of statistics that prove this. |
You are absolutely spot on, but the myth of excess population rather than excess consumption is widely held.
The simple truth is that if we want to see sustainable international development, then those of us lucky enough to live in the developed world need to recognise that our consumption of resources far outstrips those in the developing world, and that is what needs to be addressed, rather than pushing the agenda onto those whose consumption is way less.
Still, who doesn't want a new car, a second car, a campervan, a new TV, this years fashionable jacket etc. etc. |  |
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