| Here's a scenario for you 11:26 - Feb 16 with 830 views | bluelagos |
Our vaccine programme goes well - and we get to a point where we have say 85-90% of the population vaccinated.
But our nearest neighbours in France are not just behind, they are significantly down with a large number of refusniks. Say 40% just won't be vaccintated for whatever reason.
Given we have effective herd immunity as the high numbers mean any newly infected people are way less likely to pass it on (to those vaccinated) and or those that do get it, are way less likely to die...can we then open up to overseas travel?
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:30 - Feb 16 with 812 views | hype313 |
It's all to do with mutations as far as I'm aware, if the French haven't vaccinated anywhere near the numbers we have, then they run the risk of this thing mutating, thus causing issues for us if it manages to bypass the vaccine. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:32 - Feb 16 with 793 views | homer_123 |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:30 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
It's all to do with mutations as far as I'm aware, if the French haven't vaccinated anywhere near the numbers we have, then they run the risk of this thing mutating, thus causing issues for us if it manages to bypass the vaccine. |
Posted this below.
New variant found in the UK by homer_123 16 Feb 2021 10:31Interesting piece on R4 about this yesterday.
They had Ravi Gupta (Professor of Clinical Microbiology at the Cambridge Institute for Therapeutic Immunology and Infectious Diseases) talking about the mutations.
He talked about how the mutations are happening (in short it is with patients that have a poor immune system that cannot get rid of the virus, the virus is spending so much time in the body that it learns to work around the body's immune system). He talked about a patient they were treating with lymphoma and because (as part of the treatment) they remove the B cells it greatly affects the immune system...said patient contracted the virus and they were able to go back to the samples they had (as this was all before the new variants were known) and look to see if the virus had mutated and it had.
That particular variant didn't get out into the wild as the patient was in isolation. What was clear though was how good this virus seems to be at mutating.
The other takeaway is the fact that for those with poor immune systems, we need isolation and restrictions to stay in place as it's clear that even with vaccinations some people cannot get rid of the virus fully and that's the perfect breading ground for mutations.
Still a long way to go though but certainly heading now in the right direction - as you say, currently E484K is the key.
Worth noting that we still are playing catch up but we are not as far behind as we would have been years ago.
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:33 - Feb 16 with 787 views | BlueBadger |
We probably shouldn't, given the potential for increasing the risk of mutated strains that bypass the vaccine but we probably would. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:33 - Feb 16 with 785 views | Guthrum |
Possibly. Altho the issue would be that countries which still have a fair-sized reservoir for the virus could act as breeding-grounds for new variants, to which we might not be immune if they are able to evade the antibodies produced by our vaccinations. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:36 - Feb 16 with 766 views | bluelagos |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:30 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
It's all to do with mutations as far as I'm aware, if the French haven't vaccinated anywhere near the numbers we have, then they run the risk of this thing mutating, thus causing issues for us if it manages to bypass the vaccine. |
Which is kind of where my head is at. Whilst we are doing well in our overall numbers getting vaccinated, the issue of anti-vaxxers / refusniks is actually worse on the continent. | |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:37 - Feb 16 with 758 views | hype313 |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:36 - Feb 16 by bluelagos |
Which is kind of where my head is at. Whilst we are doing well in our overall numbers getting vaccinated, the issue of anti-vaxxers / refusniks is actually worse on the continent. |
The same people who are anti vax are anti lockdown... | |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:39 - Feb 16 with 754 views | BlueBadger |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:37 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
The same people who are anti vax are anti lockdown... |
Yeah, they're not the most robustly critical thinkers. | |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:39 - Feb 16 with 748 views | Keno |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:30 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
It's all to do with mutations as far as I'm aware, if the French haven't vaccinated anywhere near the numbers we have, then they run the risk of this thing mutating, thus causing issues for us if it manages to bypass the vaccine. |
"It's all to do with mutations"
he was referring to France not Norfolk |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:44 - Feb 16 with 725 views | bluelagos |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:37 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
The same people who are anti vax are anti lockdown... |
I think that's over simplified tbh.
There are some who (mistakenly) believe the damage caused by lockdowns outweigh the damage caused by an uncontrolled virus.
And that debate will shift over time too, as treatments improve and the vaccine does it's stuff, thus reducing the damage/deaths the virus will lead to. [Post edited 16 Feb 2021 12:46]
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:47 - Feb 16 with 691 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:30 - Feb 16 by hype313 |
It's all to do with mutations as far as I'm aware, if the French haven't vaccinated anywhere near the numbers we have, then they run the risk of this thing mutating, thus causing issues for us if it manages to bypass the vaccine. |
France last peak was weeks before ours. Who’s to say it didn’t cross the channel to Kent. It is the UK variant as it was first identified here. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:56 - Feb 16 with 676 views | giant_stow |
In that scenrio, I suggest we send over the modern equivalent of missionaries, to educate the French into doing the right thing. They'll thank us in the long run. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 14:25 - Feb 16 with 575 views | Guthrum |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:47 - Feb 16 by Pinewoodblue |
France last peak was weeks before ours. Who’s to say it didn’t cross the channel to Kent. It is the UK variant as it was first identified here. |
If that were the case, we'd expect to see genetic traces of that variant in France, or traceable back to there. Most likely it did originate in the UK. | |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 14:39 - Feb 16 with 554 views | Churchman |
| Here's a scenario for you on 11:47 - Feb 16 by Pinewoodblue |
France last peak was weeks before ours. Who’s to say it didn’t cross the channel to Kent. It is the UK variant as it was first identified here. |
That’s a good point, especially when one considers that the original strain came from Europe to here, possibly via ski areas.
I’m not sure France’s capacity to identify variants is that great either, along with most European countries. |  | | |
| Here's a scenario for you on 14:44 - Feb 16 with 545 views | clive_baker |
Good opportunity to block the tunnel up with Cheddar and finally get are (sic) country back I say. |  |
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| Here's a scenario for you on 11:39 - Feb 17 with 429 views | Crawfordsboot |
Not sure this is up to your usual standard Bl. Also it has triggered a number of posts just on page one that smack of little England/Johnny foreigner prejudice.
We will not know which approach was best until this thing is all over and the data is in. Things we do know so far include:
The UK is one of the most dangerous places to live with CV. It has one of the highest death rates in the world.
We have a similar population to France. They have had 83k deaths, the UK 118k deaths. i.e. nearly 30% more than France.
I suspect the PSG fan website could produce a counter post to yours.
Brighton is a hotbed for covid and Vax deniers- should we restrict visits to Brighton.
Young people between 20 and 30 are disproportionately unlikely to get vaccinated. Should we old beggers exclude young blues from our section of the ground :).
We will only have the full picture when all the data is in, though I suspect that our Govt. will have much to answer for, notwithstanding the successful early roll out of the vaccines. |  | | |
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