| The takeover obsession is weird 08:15 - Mar 16 with 3552 views | Bluefish |
It doesn't really have any great short term benefit to the supporters but they are so desperate for it and you fear a total meltdown if it goes wrong. The long term benefits are also unproven and a bit of a gamble.
It makes you wonder what the desperation is being driven by, is it the last connection to Mick. Is it the last thing to try and blame? We have the biggest budget in this division and have for for both seasons. There isn't even a transfer window between now and the end of the season. The big ME issue was manager appointment and he has done that now and everyone seems happy with that |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:18 - Mar 16 with 2299 views | portmanking |
There is no obsession from what I can see. Just a belief that Evans has demonstrably proved over 13 YEARS to be unfit to own and single-handedly manage the operations of a successful football club. |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:18 - Mar 16 with 2311 views | itfcjoe |
Because the height of ITFC fans ambitions isn't to have the best budget and be a big club in League 1, and Evans has demonstrably proven he's not a smart enough football guy to run us as a top end Championship club which is the minimum we want |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:20 - Mar 16 with 2281 views | Bluefish |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:18 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
Because the height of ITFC fans ambitions isn't to have the best budget and be a big club in League 1, and Evans has demonstrably proven he's not a smart enough football guy to run us as a top end Championship club which is the minimum we want |
Bit of a funny snappy answer joers
What benefits are there to be had this season from the takeover completing? | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:24 - Mar 16 with 2256 views | itfcjoe |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:20 - Mar 16 by Bluefish |
Bit of a funny snappy answer joers
What benefits are there to be had this season from the takeover completing? |
I don't see any real difference it can make this season, bar preparing ourselves better for the summer - ultimately the manager has his squad now and is down to him - but is there ever a good time for a takeover, it's just something that needs to happen sooner rather than later when it is on the cards | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:24 - Mar 16 with 2241 views | wkj |
I think it is fairly clear that the motivation for most seems to be the appeal of Evans being out of the driver's seat more than excitement for the new chief.
A bit like how it was around a former manager of ours. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:25]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:26 - Mar 16 with 2239 views | Metal_Hacker |
From my own personal opinion I'd rather it go through sooner rather than later to eliminate any concerns the players have so they're settled and it'd also be a massive boost to the club in terms of hope looking forward going into a very important period of the season and hopefully making the play offs.Would be a huge boost for all concerned
Thereafter , no one knows - nothing is guaranteed either way |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:27 - Mar 16 with 2235 views | Guthrum |
I think it just comes down to a desperate desire to roll the dice in the hope that we will win the golden ticket.
In reality, a lot of our decline over the last decade-and-a-half is down to changes in English football itself. Particularly financial ones. The vast monetary imbalances caused by the wealth of the Prem, parachute payments and buy-success owners (with interesting, if not nationally-backed, sources of wealth) have caused enormous inflation and created classes of haves and have-nots.
Unfortunately, ITFC find ourselves on the wrong side of that equation. But little of it is directly Evans' fault - unless one thinks he ought to have sold his businesses and beggared himself to fund the club. Which latter is an unreasonable and unsustainable view.
Fans are never going to take a united stand against the money-fest, because around a quarter of them (club-wise) have hit the jackpot. Edit: and a lot of the rest hope they will. So they blame the owner for not joining in. Or want a different one who might.
Town have, at least, consistently voted against the most damaging measures - which are then forced through anyway by club cupidity and Prem pressure.
That's not to say Evans is blameless. His organisational model has been found wanting and he has been too slow on occasion to correct problem situations. And he could, indeed, have put a bit more money in at certain pivotal times. But the wider malaise is not of his making. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:35]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:33 - Mar 16 with 2190 views | portmanking |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:27 - Mar 16 by Guthrum |
I think it just comes down to a desperate desire to roll the dice in the hope that we will win the golden ticket.
In reality, a lot of our decline over the last decade-and-a-half is down to changes in English football itself. Particularly financial ones. The vast monetary imbalances caused by the wealth of the Prem, parachute payments and buy-success owners (with interesting, if not nationally-backed, sources of wealth) have caused enormous inflation and created classes of haves and have-nots.
Unfortunately, ITFC find ourselves on the wrong side of that equation. But little of it is directly Evans' fault - unless one thinks he ought to have sold his businesses and beggared himself to fund the club. Which latter is an unreasonable and unsustainable view.
Fans are never going to take a united stand against the money-fest, because around a quarter of them (club-wise) have hit the jackpot. Edit: and a lot of the rest hope they will. So they blame the owner for not joining in. Or want a different one who might.
Town have, at least, consistently voted against the most damaging measures - which are then forced through anyway by club cupidity and Prem pressure.
That's not to say Evans is blameless. His organisational model has been found wanting and he has been too slow on occasion to correct problem situations. And he could, indeed, have put a bit more money in at certain pivotal times. But the wider malaise is not of his making. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:35]
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The changes in English football have meant that Evans has needed to adapt. We've needed to be smarter, more agile and innovative if we weren't going to have the funds to outspend teams. But for too long there's been a lack of joined up thinking, dynamism and downright know-how to do things differently.
Instead, we've ambled along and slept-walked our way into the third tier. The buck stops with Evans. He's resided over 13 seasons of failure. Roughly the same length of Sir Bob's managerial reign. Wow. | | | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:40 - Mar 16 with 2165 views | haynes_toe1 |
I imagine it's because Evans has proven to be an unmitigated disaster who can't get simple decisions right let alone the key one's such as managerial appointments. Yes, our fans are in la-la land about Cook right now but for some reason our fanbase is like that with every manager - see Lambert and Hurst initially too.
I don't think Evans leaving makes any difference this season but that's the case for any club, it's about the longer term. Of course, that's ignoring the fact there's no guarantee the next owners are any better, but as i've said before the gamble is worthwhile with the state the club is in. | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:43 - Mar 16 with 2117 views | Guthrum |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:33 - Mar 16 by portmanking |
The changes in English football have meant that Evans has needed to adapt. We've needed to be smarter, more agile and innovative if we weren't going to have the funds to outspend teams. But for too long there's been a lack of joined up thinking, dynamism and downright know-how to do things differently.
Instead, we've ambled along and slept-walked our way into the third tier. The buck stops with Evans. He's resided over 13 seasons of failure. Roughly the same length of Sir Bob's managerial reign. Wow. |
But how far can adaptation and agility take you, when up against brute-force funding? How many clubs have managed to do that?
Norwich are often cited as an example of cleverness, having found a couple of good managers and some cheap-but-effective players with a very smart Chief Exec. However, ten seasons of yo-yoing in and out of the Prem has given them a steady stream of extra funding whenever they find themselves in the Champ, through parachute payments. The perfect springboard to go back up again. That trick has worked for other clubs, too.
Very likely we'd be in a similar position had we won promotion in 2015. But we didn't. Fine margins. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:45]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:44 - Mar 16 with 2112 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Also, very little is known about where the funding is coming from, exactly who is involved, and what the plan is. |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:45 - Mar 16 with 2096 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:26 - Mar 16 by Metal_Hacker |
From my own personal opinion I'd rather it go through sooner rather than later to eliminate any concerns the players have so they're settled and it'd also be a massive boost to the club in terms of hope looking forward going into a very important period of the season and hopefully making the play offs.Would be a huge boost for all concerned
Thereafter , no one knows - nothing is guaranteed either way |
I think the players are focussed on the job in hand, I dont think the t/o will be a huge concern to them. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:47 - Mar 16 with 2081 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Clearly you have forgotten the excitement generated when these very same supporters welcomed the takeover by unknown offshore shark Marcus Evans - an individual so dubious he was nowhere to be seen throughout the entire takeover process?
This time around it's more a case of frying pans and fires. Having one of the worst owners in the football league and having seen the club's reputation trashed and tarhished makes this hysteria somewhat understandable - even if the only possible takeoever mooted so far seems a far worse option than the awful one we already have.
On the other hands, the global meeltdown of Evans' core businesses and the unsustainability of a small town football club in the post-covid world makes takeover hysteria from Evans' point of view essential - hence the constant drip feed of PR | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:47 - Mar 16 with 2083 views | davblue |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:24 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
I don't see any real difference it can make this season, bar preparing ourselves better for the summer - ultimately the manager has his squad now and is down to him - but is there ever a good time for a takeover, it's just something that needs to happen sooner rather than later when it is on the cards |
Yeah, they the new owners need to get people in to start looking at every area of the club and put plans and processes in place. That in itself isn't going to be a short term objective but we have to got to turn the ship around and that will take some time to do even with the right people in place.
If they are going to look at the recruitment side of things, i wouldn't expect us to bear any fruits from that this summer if it goes ahead, we probably won't see any benefit of that until the summer after this.
There's a long road ahead, the sooner we get these guys in then hopefully the better it will be long term as Evans won't be putting in any of those processes in place and we would just stumble on under his ownership. |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:48 - Mar 16 with 2073 views | davblue |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:47 - Mar 16 by ElephantintheRoom |
Clearly you have forgotten the excitement generated when these very same supporters welcomed the takeover by unknown offshore shark Marcus Evans - an individual so dubious he was nowhere to be seen throughout the entire takeover process?
This time around it's more a case of frying pans and fires. Having one of the worst owners in the football league and having seen the club's reputation trashed and tarhished makes this hysteria somewhat understandable - even if the only possible takeoever mooted so far seems a far worse option than the awful one we already have.
On the other hands, the global meeltdown of Evans' core businesses and the unsustainability of a small town football club in the post-covid world makes takeover hysteria from Evans' point of view essential - hence the constant drip feed of PR |
in defence of Evans, there are far worse owners than him.
His footballing decisions and how to set up a club are bad which then ends up costing himself more money because he won't hand over control. | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:49 - Mar 16 with 2061 views | portmanking |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:43 - Mar 16 by Guthrum |
But how far can adaptation and agility take you, when up against brute-force funding? How many clubs have managed to do that?
Norwich are often cited as an example of cleverness, having found a couple of good managers and some cheap-but-effective players with a very smart Chief Exec. However, ten seasons of yo-yoing in and out of the Prem has given them a steady stream of extra funding whenever they find themselves in the Champ, through parachute payments. The perfect springboard to go back up again. That trick has worked for other clubs, too.
Very likely we'd be in a similar position had we won promotion in 2015. But we didn't. Fine margins. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:45]
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Well, you've only got to look at the sides at the top end of the Championship right now to prove that innovation and adaptation can take you places. Brentford, Swansea, Barnsley all three teams doing things differently and by no means at the top end of the wage table either.
As for the fine margins of failing to win promotion in 2015, we all blame Evans for that mis-managed sh*t show in the January window, don't we? | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:50 - Mar 16 with 2063 views | textbackup |
HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHA
"It makes you wonder what the desperation is being driven by, is it the last connection to Mick."
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
even by your fishing standards that is really something.
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My take on this is that we now have a very very good manager, however a that can only get you so far (as proven with MM) under new owners we might have been looking at high end championship finishes, playoffs etc.... we all know that under ME that he wont fund the first team enough for anything other than mid table finishes at best
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i'd put it back to you now, why would you want ME to remain consider he has been pretty terrible as our owner for 13 years?
hes the absent father that might pay the kids phone contract each month, and a pair of trainers now and then, but the real things that need daily attention just aren't there [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:54]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:50 - Mar 16 with 2041 views | wkj |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:43 - Mar 16 by Guthrum |
But how far can adaptation and agility take you, when up against brute-force funding? How many clubs have managed to do that?
Norwich are often cited as an example of cleverness, having found a couple of good managers and some cheap-but-effective players with a very smart Chief Exec. However, ten seasons of yo-yoing in and out of the Prem has given them a steady stream of extra funding whenever they find themselves in the Champ, through parachute payments. The perfect springboard to go back up again. That trick has worked for other clubs, too.
Very likely we'd be in a similar position had we won promotion in 2015. But we didn't. Fine margins. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:45]
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Here is where the Evan dilemma kicks up. We really should have been investing more in our scouting - some of the non playing infrastructure had reportedly gone down the swannie under Evans. Mick found some real gems, but once upon a time we had eyes in Northern Europe that found some cracking bargains.
I really miss the days of an exciting player being unearthed from a club no one can pronounce and them fast becoming a hero. Herman, Reuser, Piotr Malarczyk - those were the days. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:52 - Mar 16 with 2026 views | davblue |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:43 - Mar 16 by Guthrum |
But how far can adaptation and agility take you, when up against brute-force funding? How many clubs have managed to do that?
Norwich are often cited as an example of cleverness, having found a couple of good managers and some cheap-but-effective players with a very smart Chief Exec. However, ten seasons of yo-yoing in and out of the Prem has given them a steady stream of extra funding whenever they find themselves in the Champ, through parachute payments. The perfect springboard to go back up again. That trick has worked for other clubs, too.
Very likely we'd be in a similar position had we won promotion in 2015. But we didn't. Fine margins. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:45]
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I think if we'd have gone up we'd have gone straight back down and it would have exposed Evans as an owner even more being in the premier league, we would have been laughed out of that league with the way we are run.
There's not a cats in hell chance that 2 days a week at the club every couple of weeks would have been sufficient. It's not for a club like us in league 1 let alone the top league. | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:54 - Mar 16 with 1997 views | portmanking |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:52 - Mar 16 by davblue |
I think if we'd have gone up we'd have gone straight back down and it would have exposed Evans as an owner even more being in the premier league, we would have been laughed out of that league with the way we are run.
There's not a cats in hell chance that 2 days a week at the club every couple of weeks would have been sufficient. It's not for a club like us in league 1 let alone the top league. |
Your second paragraph is spot on.
Football doesn't sleep. Ipswich Town Football Club cannot afford to be someone's plaything and part of a bigger empire. It's a 24/7 business and if you take your eye off the ball for a minute you'll pay the price, as we inevitably have. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 8:54]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:54 - Mar 16 with 1987 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:18 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
Because the height of ITFC fans ambitions isn't to have the best budget and be a big club in League 1, and Evans has demonstrably proven he's not a smart enough football guy to run us as a top end Championship club which is the minimum we want |
I would be happy enough to see a new owner come in if they were credible.
My main issue with the rumoured takeover was that there was very little known about who would actually be running the club.... and more importantly where the funds were going to come from, if there were any. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:55 - Mar 16 with 1967 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:47 - Mar 16 by davblue |
Yeah, they the new owners need to get people in to start looking at every area of the club and put plans and processes in place. That in itself isn't going to be a short term objective but we have to got to turn the ship around and that will take some time to do even with the right people in place.
If they are going to look at the recruitment side of things, i wouldn't expect us to bear any fruits from that this summer if it goes ahead, we probably won't see any benefit of that until the summer after this.
There's a long road ahead, the sooner we get these guys in then hopefully the better it will be long term as Evans won't be putting in any of those processes in place and we would just stumble on under his ownership. |
Clearly we dont know if the 'new guys' would be any better at running a club than Evans. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:57 - Mar 16 with 1962 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:52 - Mar 16 by davblue |
I think if we'd have gone up we'd have gone straight back down and it would have exposed Evans as an owner even more being in the premier league, we would have been laughed out of that league with the way we are run.
There's not a cats in hell chance that 2 days a week at the club every couple of weeks would have been sufficient. It's not for a club like us in league 1 let alone the top league. |
yep. as I put above, ME is the absent father.
he'll pay the phone contact for you, he'll remember bdays and xmas, few few nice days out wen the sun is shining in 6 weeks holidays...… but where is he when he's really needed? off enjoying his other life because you aren't really as important to him as you should be.
(this isn't from experience I might add because my dad is the bo11ocks, just giving an example) | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:57 - Mar 16 with 1957 views | portmanking |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:55 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Clearly we dont know if the 'new guys' would be any better at running a club than Evans. |
So what??!! Are you suggesting we stick with Evans because we can't predict the future under any alternative ownership? Perfect example of the way that Evans' reign has downgraded fan expectations. | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:58 - Mar 16 with 1942 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:55 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Clearly we dont know if the 'new guys' would be any better at running a club than Evans. |
you've not looked at what they do at other clubs they own? seems a world away from tommy turn up a couple a days a month | |
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