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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing 09:31 - Jun 6 with 3471 viewsunstableblue

… before the Austria friendly at Boro.

It’s clear the lads want to end the season of anti racism kneeling as a gesture to a big audience at the Euros, social media racial abuse of uk players this season, some of the squads own experience, and abuse of England team at Eastern European grounds front and centre in thinking.

It’s a squad decision, they see it as a squad togetherness gesture, something they feel strongly about. And they’ll continue.

It’s not directly aligned to the BLM movement, more kick racism out. But probably rightly is being perceived as part of the BLM narrative.

I have three issues with booing at Boro that may continue into today’s Romania game and the tournament ….. one this is just before a young team of players compete and it’s just not supportive and negative to the teams performance - your own fans seemingly booing you!
Second, how this represents the growing shift to the right and populism in this country, with questionable groups seizing on it, with Tory MPs and right wing media using it as an anti-woke, all lives matter, demonising of the BLM movement opportunity, rather than supporting young black England players who have experienced racism trying to make a stand.
Thirdly the discrediting of BLM by the right is in itself concerning, and the ‘I don’t want to watch a football match and be preached at’ stance, whilst having some merit is also I think a facade for the misinformation on BLM because ‘English traditionalists’ find it threatening. BLM isn’t a political party, or a union or really an entity it’s a movement…

For example the majority of BLM followers did probably want colstons statue down, the MAJORITY, didn’t want Churchill’s statue down just an understanding of his frankly appalling colonial acts… the daubing of his statue was an individual thing… and had interestingly been done at multiple other rally’s over the decades (indeed Reuters made it clear that some of the photos used were from 2000, 2010 anti capitalist rallies).

And indeed if you continue the statue theme in relation to BLM, England taking the knee, and the ‘uproar over England’s political gesture’ - take a Newcastle BLM peaceful protest, where a group of right wing racist thugs turned up to disrupt and cause violence, all under the guise ‘of defenders of Newcastle’…. Much like the recent MPs drivel from the Austria game

BLM were never going to deface Greys monument as he was involved in abolishing slavery, they were meeting as a place to meet!!!

As a more sensible local MP said at the time:

“Newcastle's statues and monuments are not under threat from the Black Lives Matter movement which is about addressing structural racism not monuments.

"Newcastle prides itself on our warmth and community feeling, there can be no excuse for this kind of behaviour. We need to work together to build a better, fairer Newcastle for everyone."

Back Gareth, back the players, back taking the knee (as it will end this summer), back kicking racism out of football across Europe.

It’s coming home.




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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 with 2764 viewsScuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:50 - Jun 6 with 2717 viewsSomethingBlue

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


Yes it's such an awful hardship to be reminded for not even 10 seconds that the fight against racism is important.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:50 - Jun 6 with 2714 viewsnoggin

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


Can you please explain why a 5 second peaceful act, before the game, upsets so many (white) people? Seems extremely bizarre to me.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:50 - Jun 6 with 2713 viewsStokieBlue

"Back Gareth, back the players, back taking the knee (as it will end this summer), back kicking racism out of football across Europe."

Why is it only OK to back the taking of the knee because it's going to end this summer? Surely one should back whatever form of protest and symbolism those who are the recipients of the racism determine is the appropriate one for however long they feel it's appropriate to do it?

Or have I misunderstood your meaning?

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:51 - Jun 6 with 2707 viewsLeoMuff

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


I assume you will be booing the national anthem at the euros then ?

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:01 - Jun 6 with 2643 viewsOldsmoker

Good post.
Black people live with racism on a daily basis.
If it's awkward, embarrasing or an affront for some who don't like the 10 second knee-bending then I suggest they consider what it's like to endure racism every day of your life.
Whitey feels insulted for 10 seconds - oh boo hoo.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:10 - Jun 6 with 2607 viewsGuthrum

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


Is anti-racism politics?

Or is it mere common decency to treat all people, of whatever ethnic origin, without prejudice, discrimination and insulting behaviour? Whatever happened to the historical idea of Britain as a tolerant and fair society*?



* Not that we were particularly, but people believed and professed that as a virtuous thing.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:17 - Jun 6 with 2564 viewsOldsmoker

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:10 - Jun 6 by Guthrum

Is anti-racism politics?

Or is it mere common decency to treat all people, of whatever ethnic origin, without prejudice, discrimination and insulting behaviour? Whatever happened to the historical idea of Britain as a tolerant and fair society*?



* Not that we were particularly, but people believed and professed that as a virtuous thing.


It is, as you say, a mater of common decency.

What is it that racists hate about black people?
If they're taking your jobs then they're better than you.
If they're taking your women then that means they're beter than you.
So are racists spouting their bile because they feel inferior to black people?

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 with 2530 viewsbluejacko

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:17 - Jun 6 by Oldsmoker

It is, as you say, a mater of common decency.

What is it that racists hate about black people?
If they're taking your jobs then they're better than you.
If they're taking your women then that means they're beter than you.
So are racists spouting their bile because they feel inferior to black people?


Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.
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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:38 - Jun 6 with 2513 viewsStokieBlue

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.


Not sure the "racism cuts both ways" argument is a particularly good one given the clear biases that exist in society.

It was also the name of a campaign by the BNP......

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/37210/british-national-party-racism-c

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:47 - Jun 6 with 2489 viewsGuthrum

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.


Not sure the odd instance of being called a "honky" is entirely comparable with the tidal wave of bile - some of it murderous or outright genocidal in tone - which sweeps across the internet, onto Facebook/Twitter and into people's inboxes every single day.

Sure, a proportion of it is immature, teenage "bantz", but that doesn't lessen the impact. Indeed, it further increases the necessity for education and raising awareness.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:48 - Jun 6 with 2482 viewsOldsmoker

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.


So it's Ok for white people to be racist because you've heard 'honky' in a black area?
Lots of black people call me Honky for the simple reason they can't remember my name or don't know it. I'm not phased by it.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:27 - Jun 6 with 2386 viewsDarth_Koont

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.


It’s not “just as bad” at all.

Attitudes like yours, the All Lives Matter lot, the Men’s Rights, Straight Pride, transphobic gender Nazis all have one thing in common – an inability to understand/unwillingness to accept how society is already heavily biased towards them, not against them.

Treating much more superficial and implied slights as the same as deeper, unrelenting and life-defining prejudice is shockingly offensive.
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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:36 - Jun 6 with 2334 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

If our players decided to continue taking the knee next season.

I would be ashamed if our fans were to boo it.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:40 - Jun 6 with 2316 viewsbluejacko

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:27 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont

It’s not “just as bad” at all.

Attitudes like yours, the All Lives Matter lot, the Men’s Rights, Straight Pride, transphobic gender Nazis all have one thing in common – an inability to understand/unwillingness to accept how society is already heavily biased towards them, not against them.

Treating much more superficial and implied slights as the same as deeper, unrelenting and life-defining prejudice is shockingly offensive.
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Thanks for insight of how I think. TBH you haven’t got a clue what I think,
The fact remains there is racism going both ways but hey ho what do I know apparently.
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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:43 - Jun 6 with 2292 viewsDarth_Koont

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:40 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Thanks for insight of how I think. TBH you haven’t got a clue what I think,
The fact remains there is racism going both ways but hey ho what do I know apparently.


Well, perhaps don’t write what you think if you can’t take criticism for that.

You went on to say that you don’t see colour as if that’s an end to it. Check your white privelege, mate.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:52 - Jun 6 with 2232 viewsSpruceMoose

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 11:35 - Jun 6 by bluejacko

Hold on there! There are plenty of incidents that racism cuts both ways. While I don’t believe that it is as endemic as some would have us believe is not being called a honky walking through some areas just as bad? I am sure most of us work with black people and don’t give it a moment’s thought about skin colour.


Honky? Do you live in a Shaft film universe or something?

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:53 - Jun 6 with 2225 viewsSpruceMoose

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:43 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont

Well, perhaps don’t write what you think if you can’t take criticism for that.

You went on to say that you don’t see colour as if that’s an end to it. Check your white privelege, mate.


Exactly. Only white folk have the luxury of not seeing colour.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:57 - Jun 6 with 2217 viewsDarth_Koont

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


So the same people will be booing Remembrance Sunday?

I bet you they won’t. In fact I’m guessing they’d be some of the ones demanding the most respect.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:59 - Jun 6 with 2200 viewsDanTheMan

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:52 - Jun 6 by SpruceMoose

Honky? Do you live in a Shaft film universe or something?


I'm trying to imagine a scenario where someone calls me a honky and I don't just laugh.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 13:03 - Jun 6 with 2177 viewsbrogansnose

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:52 - Jun 6 by SpruceMoose

Honky? Do you live in a Shaft film universe or something?


That made I laugh.


Honky has not been used in decades.
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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 13:05 - Jun 6 with 2165 viewsDarth_Koont

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 13:03 - Jun 6 by brogansnose

That made I laugh.


Honky has not been used in decades.


To be fair to jacko, it wasn’t him that raised the ”honky” jibe.

Just the honky jive.

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 13:10 - Jun 6 with 2148 viewsZXBlue

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:39 - Jun 6 by Scuzzer

Well there you go....you have just justified peoples reaction to the bending of the knee...as you have quite clearly revealed the politicization of the sport. People do not want that...they just want to watch 22 people kick a bag of wind around.


No one is booing the politicisation of sport. They may claim it, but they are not.
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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 13:48 - Jun 6 with 2048 viewsunstableblue

Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 10:50 - Jun 6 by StokieBlue

"Back Gareth, back the players, back taking the knee (as it will end this summer), back kicking racism out of football across Europe."

Why is it only OK to back the taking of the knee because it's going to end this summer? Surely one should back whatever form of protest and symbolism those who are the recipients of the racism determine is the appropriate one for however long they feel it's appropriate to do it?

Or have I misunderstood your meaning?

SB
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Sorry Stokie crossed wires… I’d obviously back them continuing it…

I was more picking up the point Gareth made about perhaps it stopping after the tournament and then wanting to make an impact on the big stage as it closes out.

My point being those Tory MP scum who are going to boycott the team and tournament as a result… so was focussing on backing through this summer

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Listening to Southgate and Philips has made me even more concerned about booing on 12:57 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont

So the same people will be booing Remembrance Sunday?

I bet you they won’t. In fact I’m guessing they’d be some of the ones demanding the most respect.


Hear hear… the furore from the same people who write this drivel… are the same who shouted at UEFA/FIFA for not allowing us to wear the poppy

It’s double standards… it’s a front

Great post Darth as always

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