So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? 17:35 - Sep 25 with 1830 views | NorthLondonBlue2 | I don't pretend to understand the rule, but Bonne was behind the keeper, and the ball when it was in play and then passed to the goalscorer who was Chaplin as even Clare's goat knows. Polite explanations only, please [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 17:56]
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:35 - Sep 25 with 1805 views | chrismakin | Because Clares goat from the chatroom had gone outside | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:36 - Sep 25 with 1807 views | Cheltenham_Blue | Who played the ball to him? | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:39 - Sep 25 with 1753 views | ZXBlue | Was there a forward pass by a team mate? | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:42 - Sep 25 with 1718 views | SomethingBlue | Nobody had played the ball forwards. | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:43 - Sep 25 with 1713 views | Sarge | Cos Bonne didn’t score one | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:44 - Sep 25 with 1702 views | Nthsuffolkblue | There was no point at which the ball was passed forwards by an Ipswich player with an Ipswich player in an offside position. | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:45 - Sep 25 with 1656 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:44 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | There was no point at which the ball was passed forwards by an Ipswich player with an Ipswich player in an offside position. |
Likewise, if Bonne had stood between the keeper and the defence and a defender had played the ball straight to him, it would not have been offside. | |
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So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:00 - Sep 25 with 1469 views | pointofblue | Because he took the ball from Peacock-Farrell; you can't be offside if the ball is passed, for want of better word, by a member of the opposition. | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:06 - Sep 25 with 1377 views | FattyBoomBoom |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 17:42 - Sep 25 by SomethingBlue | Nobody had played the ball forwards. |
It's a myth that the ball needs to be played forward. | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:10 - Sep 25 with 1331 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:06 - Sep 25 by FattyBoomBoom | It's a myth that the ball needs to be played forward. |
Please explain. The rules allow for the ball to be passed backwards to someone who would otherwise have been in an offside position do they not? | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:15 - Sep 25 with 1260 views | FattyBoomBoom |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:10 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | Please explain. The rules allow for the ball to be passed backwards to someone who would otherwise have been in an offside position do they not? |
The direction that the ball travels is irrelevant. It's the position of the player recieving/playing the ball when it is played that matters. So the player would be offside if he ran back from an offside position and collected the ball that was played in the direction of his own defence. | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:20 - Sep 25 with 1209 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:15 - Sep 25 by FattyBoomBoom | The direction that the ball travels is irrelevant. It's the position of the player recieving/playing the ball when it is played that matters. So the player would be offside if he ran back from an offside position and collected the ball that was played in the direction of his own defence. |
EDIT: I follow what you are saying now - yes, if the player had been ahead of the ball when it was played backwards he could be offside so the rule is about the player receiving being ahead of the ball rather than the direction of the pass. Got it now. Original text: You are wrong unless the rule has changed very recently (and I don't believe it has). If an attacking player gets to the end line of the pitch and then plays the ball backwards to another player who is beyond the last defender it will not be offside. Similarly you cannot be offside from a corner. If the corner is played short and then played into the box, according to your understanding of the rules, if all the defenders pushed up beyond the attacking players it would be offside. It wouldn't unless the ball was played forwards. [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 18:27]
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:20 - Sep 25 with 1208 views | ZXBlue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:15 - Sep 25 by FattyBoomBoom | The direction that the ball travels is irrelevant. It's the position of the player recieving/playing the ball when it is played that matters. So the player would be offside if he ran back from an offside position and collected the ball that was played in the direction of his own defence. |
Rule is silent on forward pass, but does require you to be ahead of the ball to be offside. | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:21 - Sep 25 with 1202 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:10 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | Please explain. The rules allow for the ball to be passed backwards to someone who would otherwise have been in an offside position do they not? |
You can't be offside if you are behind the ball when the ball is played. You can be offside if there are not two opposition players nearer the goal line than you and you are ahead of the ball, and the player on the ball, and they square it across the pitch to you slightly behind the line they are on, and you run back and collect it, and therefore interfere with play. But it isn't likely to happen very often, most likely in a goal mouth scramble from a deadball when the keeper comes out, and defending players on the line move out quickly and the attackers have run in to attack the initial cross and momentum takes them beyond the defenders. None of which applies in the case of Bonne hassling the keeper and Chaplin scoring. | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:21 - Sep 25 with 1198 views | ZXBlue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:20 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | EDIT: I follow what you are saying now - yes, if the player had been ahead of the ball when it was played backwards he could be offside so the rule is about the player receiving being ahead of the ball rather than the direction of the pass. Got it now. Original text: You are wrong unless the rule has changed very recently (and I don't believe it has). If an attacking player gets to the end line of the pitch and then plays the ball backwards to another player who is beyond the last defender it will not be offside. Similarly you cannot be offside from a corner. If the corner is played short and then played into the box, according to your understanding of the rules, if all the defenders pushed up beyond the attacking players it would be offside. It wouldn't unless the ball was played forwards. [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 18:27]
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Thats because the player you are passing to is behind the ball when it is played- not because the pass is backwards. | | | |
So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:21 - Sep 25 with 1197 views | monty_radio | In effect it was a loose ball. It doesn't matter where Bonne was standing since an opposition player was so very clearly the last man to touch the ball. When Fraser picked out Chaplin two defenders had already retreated into the six yard box and were playing Chaplin onside. | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:23 - Sep 25 with 1183 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:20 - Sep 25 by ZXBlue | Rule is silent on forward pass, but does require you to be ahead of the ball to be offside. |
OK. Fair enough. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. | |
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So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:26 - Sep 25 with 1149 views | ArnoldMoorhen | When the ball is played to Chaplin there is a defender on the line, the keeper and another defender on the 6 yard line, and Chaplin has not yet reached the 6 yard line (the player in the right back position may also be level with him). As the ball comes across Chaplin moves past the line of the keeper and defenders and into the six yard box. It was a very good decision by the Assistant Referee. [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 18:28]
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So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:29 - Sep 25 with 1127 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:26 - Sep 25 by ArnoldMoorhen | When the ball is played to Chaplin there is a defender on the line, the keeper and another defender on the 6 yard line, and Chaplin has not yet reached the 6 yard line (the player in the right back position may also be level with him). As the ball comes across Chaplin moves past the line of the keeper and defenders and into the six yard box. It was a very good decision by the Assistant Referee. [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 18:28]
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Don't think there was ever any real question of offside at any point was there? | |
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So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:33 - Sep 25 with 1096 views | FattyBoomBoom |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:20 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | EDIT: I follow what you are saying now - yes, if the player had been ahead of the ball when it was played backwards he could be offside so the rule is about the player receiving being ahead of the ball rather than the direction of the pass. Got it now. Original text: You are wrong unless the rule has changed very recently (and I don't believe it has). If an attacking player gets to the end line of the pitch and then plays the ball backwards to another player who is beyond the last defender it will not be offside. Similarly you cannot be offside from a corner. If the corner is played short and then played into the box, according to your understanding of the rules, if all the defenders pushed up beyond the attacking players it would be offside. It wouldn't unless the ball was played forwards. [Post edited 25 Sep 2021 18:27]
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The key here is that the player receiving the ball must be in an offside position when the ball is played. Maybe I wasn't clear enough but obviously being in an offside position in itself has it's own set of criteria. Namely being ahead of the ball when it is played, as opposed to the opposition player placement necessarily. There are a checklist of criteria to satisfy the offside offence in each given situation. | | | |
So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:35 - Sep 25 with 1073 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
So, why wasn't Chaplin's goal offside? on 18:29 - Sep 25 by Nthsuffolkblue | Don't think there was ever any real question of offside at any point was there? |
Apart from in the Title of this post, you mean? Just spelling it out for the OP and those who hadn't seen it. Bonne is in an offside position, but takes the ball from the goalkeeper, so can't be ruled offside. Fraser is behind the ball (and loads of defenders) when it is played to him, and Chaplin is ahead of the ball but has defenders and goalkeeper in more advanced position. At no point is it even close to being given offside. | | | |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:36 - Sep 25 with 1069 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
So, why wasn't Bonne's goal offside? on 18:33 - Sep 25 by FattyBoomBoom | The key here is that the player receiving the ball must be in an offside position when the ball is played. Maybe I wasn't clear enough but obviously being in an offside position in itself has it's own set of criteria. Namely being ahead of the ball when it is played, as opposed to the opposition player placement necessarily. There are a checklist of criteria to satisfy the offside offence in each given situation. |
Thanks. Got it now. The key is where the receiving player is (i.e. behind the ball) rather than the direction that the pass is played. Hence, 2 players on the break can get beyond the last defender and one can play the ball forwards into space for the other to run on to provided the other is behind the ball at the moment it is passed. Strangely, I knew that to be true despite not realising the implication on how the rule is worded. | |
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