| Where has Harper gone ? 17:09 - Dec 13 with 2711 views | markchips |
Predicted to be the next big thing he really has disappeared altogether of late unless he is injured. If he is the' beast' he makes out he is , he could have filled in at left back the last few weeks and shown us how great he was. |  | | |  |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 17:14 - Dec 13 with 2645 views | kizaitfc |
He is big example of how difficult it is to get it right in one transfer window.
Most people looked at Evans and Harper in the summer and thought that is a hell of a midfield. Unfortunately they just haven't lived up to the expectation and you slowly start to see why they are playing in league 1.
In order to really become a force we need to be looking for signings like Edmundson and Burns. Real hard working players who don't think they can just walk it in league 1. | |
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| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 17:15 - Dec 13 with 2626 views | Menton |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 17:14 - Dec 13 by kizaitfc |
He is big example of how difficult it is to get it right in one transfer window.
Most people looked at Evans and Harper in the summer and thought that is a hell of a midfield. Unfortunately they just haven't lived up to the expectation and you slowly start to see why they are playing in league 1.
In order to really become a force we need to be looking for signings like Edmundson and Burns. Real hard working players who don't think they can just walk it in league 1. |
If we persist with 4-4-2 I think he would do well next to Morsy. Always seems a bit lightweight though, not quite the ‘beast’ he described himself as. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 18:37 - Dec 13 with 2283 views | jayessess |
He's 21, from what I can see has a lot of good technical and physical attributes. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of a good coach to find the player that's in there. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 18:42 - Dec 13 with 2256 views | RedX |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 17:14 - Dec 13 by kizaitfc |
He is big example of how difficult it is to get it right in one transfer window.
Most people looked at Evans and Harper in the summer and thought that is a hell of a midfield. Unfortunately they just haven't lived up to the expectation and you slowly start to see why they are playing in league 1.
In order to really become a force we need to be looking for signings like Edmundson and Burns. Real hard working players who don't think they can just walk it in league 1. |
If anyone read the WBA forum after Harper signed, their fans were all in agreement with the type of player he was. Good potential, but lacked concentration and was unable to complete 90 mins without drifting out of games. It seems that’s exactly how he’s been since he arrived. |  | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 18:48 - Dec 13 with 2210 views | ArnieM |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 18:42 - Dec 13 by RedX |
If anyone read the WBA forum after Harper signed, their fans were all in agreement with the type of player he was. Good potential, but lacked concentration and was unable to complete 90 mins without drifting out of games. It seems that’s exactly how he’s been since he arrived. |
…and of course Ashton has strong links with WBA, s9 quite possibly and Ashton target? |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:27 - Dec 13 with 2048 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Really not sure about the left back suggestion. He has struggled as an inexperienced player in a team that is struggling. That should be no surprise. A new manager coming in will change things (especially formation and tactics) and Harper can only hope this suits him. If the team starts playing well, he will probably be a completely different player. The same may well be true of Edwards. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:32 - Dec 13 with 2021 views | tractorshark |
I said the other day there’s a real talent there but he needs good coaching and patience.
Out of all our midfielders, he’s the one who is the most comfortable on the ball and capable of retaining possession.
Unfortunately he’s also capable of dozing off and making mistakes.
But he reminds of Trevoh Chalobah. Raw and naive but with plenty of talent to be nurtured.
I genuinely think Harper could be a top player for us in a year or two. | | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:34 - Dec 13 with 2007 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:32 - Dec 13 by tractorshark |
I said the other day there’s a real talent there but he needs good coaching and patience.
Out of all our midfielders, he’s the one who is the most comfortable on the ball and capable of retaining possession.
Unfortunately he’s also capable of dozing off and making mistakes.
But he reminds of Trevoh Chalobah. Raw and naive but with plenty of talent to be nurtured.
I genuinely think Harper could be a top player for us in a year or two. |
Next Chalobah?
Or next JET? | |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:41 - Dec 13 with 1974 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Worth trying in the 4-4-2 system instead of Evans. Some games will have shown (Lincoln away in particular) that he can have a going forward intention. Could be a good supplier for both strikers when using this formation. |  | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:52 - Dec 13 with 1919 views | JakeITFC |
This is a really weird post. |  | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:56 - Dec 13 with 1886 views | Dubtractor |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:52 - Dec 13 by JakeITFC |
This is a really weird post. |
Glad I'm not the only one to think that. There is a lot going on, most of it a bit wrong. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 20:50 - Dec 13 with 1664 views | tractorshark |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 19:34 - Dec 13 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Next Chalobah?
Or next JET? |
Only time will tell. Different players but who knows.
JET was supremely gifted, I remember watching him destroy us for Doncaster but he never had the attitude or aptitude to fulfil his potential.
Harper is decent but it depends on who gets hold of him and whether he’s willing to put in the hard yards and learn his trade. | | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 20:57 - Dec 13 with 1638 views | Swansea_Blue |
Predicted by who? Andre Dozzell had a far better youth/age group pedigree. There’s even more hype around Louie Barry and he’s struggled to break into the age groups for Ireland.
We’re feeding on scraps with this lot in the hope of catching someone when they mature enough to step up. Nothing wrong with that in principle at our level I suppose, but there’ll be a lot more missed than hits. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 21:09 - Dec 13 with 1585 views | chicoazul |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 20:50 - Dec 13 by tractorshark |
Only time will tell. Different players but who knows.
JET was supremely gifted, I remember watching him destroy us for Doncaster but he never had the attitude or aptitude to fulfil his potential.
Harper is decent but it depends on who gets hold of him and whether he’s willing to put in the hard yards and learn his trade. |
Bit lazy is he yeah? Bad attitude?
Like JET Nouble Dalian Danny Haynes and Mings yeah? |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 21:13 - Dec 13 with 1566 views | tractorshark |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 21:09 - Dec 13 by chicoazul |
Bit lazy is he yeah? Bad attitude?
Like JET Nouble Dalian Danny Haynes and Mings yeah? |
You’ve lost me. I didn’t say Harper was lazy or had a bad attitude.
I think we have a decent player there but only time will tell. It is up to him to work hard and hopefully learn off the right manager, coaches and experienced players. | | | |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 22:53 - Dec 13 with 1349 views | Superblue95 |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 21:09 - Dec 13 by chicoazul |
Bit lazy is he yeah? Bad attitude?
Like JET Nouble Dalian Danny Haynes and Mings yeah? |
Nothing about his post was racist so not sure why you’re trying to insinuate it was. |  |
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 09:55 - Dec 14 with 1018 views | jayessess |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 20:57 - Dec 13 by Swansea_Blue |
Predicted by who? Andre Dozzell had a far better youth/age group pedigree. There’s even more hype around Louie Barry and he’s struggled to break into the age groups for Ireland.
We’re feeding on scraps with this lot in the hope of catching someone when they mature enough to step up. Nothing wrong with that in principle at our level I suppose, but there’ll be a lot more missed than hits. |
The lesson of Dozzell is "don't pan young players who are learning the game in a poor team", surely? | |
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| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 09:57 - Dec 14 with 1008 views | StokieBlue |
| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 17:15 - Dec 13 by Menton |
If we persist with 4-4-2 I think he would do well next to Morsy. Always seems a bit lightweight though, not quite the ‘beast’ he described himself as. |
The trouble with persisting with 442 (which I didn't think looked great at Wigan anyway) is where do you play Celina?
He's our most creative player and has created far more chances than anyone else if you look at the stats. He's also scored and assisted a decent amount.
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| Where has Harper gone ? on 11:46 - Dec 14 with 932 views | Radlett_blue |
| Where has Harper gone ? on 17:14 - Dec 13 by kizaitfc |
He is big example of how difficult it is to get it right in one transfer window.
Most people looked at Evans and Harper in the summer and thought that is a hell of a midfield. Unfortunately they just haven't lived up to the expectation and you slowly start to see why they are playing in league 1.
In order to really become a force we need to be looking for signings like Edmundson and Burns. Real hard working players who don't think they can just walk it in league 1. |
Indeed, that's part of the indictment against Cook. He maybe realised he had got his midfield wrong, hence the arrival of Morsy. Sadly, that didn't quite work either. Agree it's hard to get everything right in one window when you're recruiting a whole squad, but he had more than enough budget to cover a few mistakes e.g. he wasn't happy with his keeper choice, so he brought in Walton, who was a huge upgrade.
The contrast with Wigan, where Richardson brought in 17 new players, mostly on free transfers, is harsh. They've had almost as much upheaval as Town but look organised and a team. [Post edited 14 Dec 2021 11:47]
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| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 12:01 - Dec 14 with 888 views | itfcjoe |
| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 09:57 - Dec 14 by StokieBlue |
The trouble with persisting with 442 (which I didn't think looked great at Wigan anyway) is where do you play Celina?
He's our most creative player and has created far more chances than anyone else if you look at the stats. He's also scored and assisted a decent amount.
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Put a solid full back behind him and play him off one of the flanks - it worked in the Championship in 2017/18 |  |
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| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 12:06 - Dec 14 with 851 views | wkj |
| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 12:01 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
Put a solid full back behind him and play him off one of the flanks - it worked in the Championship in 2017/18 |
There in lies the key reason why Cook failed, lack of a solid fullback - on the left.
I attribute Cook's failure mostly down to how crap recruitment was on the back line - although Chambers was past L1 standard, we should have replaced him and bolstered LB better than we did, and sooner than we did.
Yes we loaned Coulson - but way way too late into the window. [Post edited 14 Dec 2021 12:08]
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| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 12:20 - Dec 14 with 794 views | Radlett_blue |
| He’s just not suited to that deep-lying role on 12:06 - Dec 14 by wkj |
There in lies the key reason why Cook failed, lack of a solid fullback - on the left.
I attribute Cook's failure mostly down to how crap recruitment was on the back line - although Chambers was past L1 standard, we should have replaced him and bolstered LB better than we did, and sooner than we did.
Yes we loaned Coulson - but way way too late into the window. [Post edited 14 Dec 2021 12:08]
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Once we added Walton, we had Edmundson, who's looking good plus Burgess, who is adequate. Yes, full back has looked a weakness & Donacien became a regular despite not fitting Cook's 4-2-3-1, which needs full backs who get forward. | |
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