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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train 16:40 - Nov 4 with 13677 viewsPaddingtonblue

Hi all,

Really wish that I didn't have to post this sort of thing but I was wondering if anyone was on the 18:16 train from Plymouth to London Paddington, specifically around carriages C-E. I was on this train, and alongside general anti-social behaviour which caused BTP to be called twice, there were several chants of the homophobic song related to Justin Fashanu from several Ipswich fans. This song was sung several times and despite them being aware it was wrong and some people mentioning it to them they simply did not care.

I have spoken to the club and the police about this and despite managing to get videos/photos/names of these people, I unfortunately didn't get enough evidence for the club or police to do anything about these people. If anyone else saw anything send me a PM or contact the club as I really think these people need to face some kind of punishment and should not be allowed to represent the club (which they were doing in their shirts and singing Ipswich songs).

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:51 - Nov 4 with 8272 viewsfooters

Sadly there have been stickers/posters of the same disgusting thing being posted around by some Town 'fans' too. It's absolutely vile. But well done for doing the right thing by contacting the Club about it.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:54 - Nov 4 with 8231 viewsJ2BLUE

Videos, photos and names. That's a hell of an effort. Fair play.

Truly impaired.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:55 - Nov 4 with 8232 viewsArnoldMoorhen

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who think it funny to publicly mock a cross-culturally adopted lad whose new parents' conservative religious beliefs caused him to be tormented by his sexuality, leading him to have severely dysfunctional relationships and ultimately to kill himself.

It is utterly disgusting that some of our fellow Town fans find a tragic life and death so hilarious.

Good on you for speaking up.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:59 - Nov 4 with 8181 viewsParky

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:55 - Nov 4 by ArnoldMoorhen

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who think it funny to publicly mock a cross-culturally adopted lad whose new parents' conservative religious beliefs caused him to be tormented by his sexuality, leading him to have severely dysfunctional relationships and ultimately to kill himself.

It is utterly disgusting that some of our fellow Town fans find a tragic life and death so hilarious.

Good on you for speaking up.


Not saying it’s right by all means, but let’s not forget he sexually assaulted a teenage boy and not paint him as a saint.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:02 - Nov 4 with 8133 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:59 - Nov 4 by Parky

Not saying it’s right by all means, but let’s not forget he sexually assaulted a teenage boy and not paint him as a saint.


Not saying its right but... basically the equivalent to I have some friends who are XXX. I was not commenting on Fashanu as an individual but the clear homophobic, racist (lets be real) and all round grim connotations of that song that is hid behind the facade of football rivalry banter.

Don't use a minor point to hide the actual issue of this post.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:04 - Nov 4 with 8107 viewsSitfcB

How much more evidence do they expect?

Surely all you have is all you need.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:05 - Nov 4 with 8093 viewsParky

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:02 - Nov 4 by Paddingtonblue

Not saying its right but... basically the equivalent to I have some friends who are XXX. I was not commenting on Fashanu as an individual but the clear homophobic, racist (lets be real) and all round grim connotations of that song that is hid behind the facade of football rivalry banter.

Don't use a minor point to hide the actual issue of this post.


I’m not saying that at all. I replied to the comment where the poster was acting like Fashanu was some kind of Saint, which clearly isn’t true.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:08 - Nov 4 with 8060 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:05 - Nov 4 by Parky

I’m not saying that at all. I replied to the comment where the poster was acting like Fashanu was some kind of Saint, which clearly isn’t true.


I mean you chose to go out of your way to point out something I am sure we are all aware of and that was undoubtedly problematic (but also linked to the posts above very valid points related to the suppression of his identity).

The post simply laid out some very true and nuanced points relating to an undoubtedly complex man and on a post that is about catching people who are disrespecting him because of his race/sexuality over 20 years later, you feel the need to point score?
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:10 - Nov 4 with 8026 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:04 - Nov 4 by SitfcB

How much more evidence do they expect?

Surely all you have is all you need.


Videos don't have enough longevity with focus on people singing, only managed to catch snippets with photos of people separately on the count of I didn't want to get the sh*** beaten out of me by 10/15 drunk idiots for catching them doing something they knew was wrong.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:10 - Nov 4 with 8022 viewsArnoldMoorhen

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:59 - Nov 4 by Parky

Not saying it’s right by all means, but let’s not forget he sexually assaulted a teenage boy and not paint him as a saint.


I'm not painting him as a Saint.

But let's not forget that it was *alleged* that he sexually assaulted a 17 year old, and that he asserted in his suicide note that it was consensual, but, as a black, gay man he believed that he wasn't going to be treated fairly by the legal system in the USA.

I have no opinion on whether he or his accuser were telling the truth, because I don't have any of the necessary evidence to make that judgement, but, regardless, I still think it is disgusting to mock the suicide of someone so riddled with self-loathing and shame.

As suicidal thoughts may be stirred up by this discussion, here's some helpline numbers which may be helpful to members of the LGBTQ+ community and others:

https://www.lgbthealth.org.uk/services-support/lgbt-helpline-scotland/helplines-
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:14 - Nov 4 with 7994 viewsPhilTWTD

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 16:59 - Nov 4 by Parky

Not saying it’s right by all means, but let’s not forget he sexually assaulted a teenage boy and not paint him as a saint.


Think it ought to be noted that police had dropped the allegation against him prior to his suicide.

https://lgbt.wikia.org/wiki/Justin_Fashanu
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:15 - Nov 4 with 7963 viewsParky

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:08 - Nov 4 by Paddingtonblue

I mean you chose to go out of your way to point out something I am sure we are all aware of and that was undoubtedly problematic (but also linked to the posts above very valid points related to the suppression of his identity).

The post simply laid out some very true and nuanced points relating to an undoubtedly complex man and on a post that is about catching people who are disrespecting him because of his race/sexuality over 20 years later, you feel the need to point score?


I’m just pointing out that he was charged for sexually assaulting a teenage boy and I don’t agree with idolisation. Some of our fans absolutely detest James Norwood because he got caught drink driving and multiple other reasons [rightly so], but are just happy to forget Fashanu’s conviction.

To set the story straight, I don’t think said song should be sung anywhere and any other homophobic songs for that matter.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:18 - Nov 4 with 7928 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:15 - Nov 4 by Parky

I’m just pointing out that he was charged for sexually assaulting a teenage boy and I don’t agree with idolisation. Some of our fans absolutely detest James Norwood because he got caught drink driving and multiple other reasons [rightly so], but are just happy to forget Fashanu’s conviction.

To set the story straight, I don’t think said song should be sung anywhere and any other homophobic songs for that matter.


Firstly, see Phil's post above. It is clear you seem to feel the need to really stamp on the grave of a man who had charges against him dropped and was a trailblazer in sport who suffered awfully due to his race/sexuality.

Secondly, where did I once idolise Fashanu in this, he is the reference point but this is much wider than that.

Thirdly, the fact you keep hammering the point and even feel the need to state you are against homophobia suggests you aren't anywhere close to the right side of this
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:21 - Nov 4 with 7888 viewsParky

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:18 - Nov 4 by Paddingtonblue

Firstly, see Phil's post above. It is clear you seem to feel the need to really stamp on the grave of a man who had charges against him dropped and was a trailblazer in sport who suffered awfully due to his race/sexuality.

Secondly, where did I once idolise Fashanu in this, he is the reference point but this is much wider than that.

Thirdly, the fact you keep hammering the point and even feel the need to state you are against homophobia suggests you aren't anywhere close to the right side of this


I never once said you were idolising him, hence why I didn’t initially reply to you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/justin-fashanu-found-h

Fashanu, who denied the allegations, was charged with second-degree sexual assault - an offence which carries a maximum 20-year jail term and first- and second-degree assault.

You’re getting angry at the wrong person.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:23 - Nov 4 with 7874 viewsPhilTWTD

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:21 - Nov 4 by Parky

I never once said you were idolising him, hence why I didn’t initially reply to you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/justin-fashanu-found-h

Fashanu, who denied the allegations, was charged with second-degree sexual assault - an offence which carries a maximum 20-year jail term and first- and second-degree assault.

You’re getting angry at the wrong person.


Charges which it subsequently emerged were withdrawn through a lack of evidence, which I think it's unfair not to state.
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:24 - Nov 4 with 7858 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:21 - Nov 4 by Parky

I never once said you were idolising him, hence why I didn’t initially reply to you.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/justin-fashanu-found-h

Fashanu, who denied the allegations, was charged with second-degree sexual assault - an offence which carries a maximum 20-year jail term and first- and second-degree assault.

You’re getting angry at the wrong person.


Not angry at the wrong person, in fact its very clear who I am angry at hence the attempts to get them punished.

I just think the fact you have created a situation in which you feel the need to state you are not homophobic says a hell of a lot.

Also the only person to find the grass comment worthy of an upvote. Think you are part of the problem much more than you realise
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:33 - Nov 4 with 7661 viewsITFC_Forever

We were on that train, but further up in coach J with a number of other Town fans, and we had a good laugh.

Some rugby fans on their way back to Pewsey (no. we'd never heard of it either) also got on at Westbury and we had a laugh with them.

One woman got up and moved carriages, as perhaps we were a bit noisy at times, but certainly no-one was offensive in any shape or form.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:39 - Nov 4 with 7598 viewsfactual_blue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:14 - Nov 4 by PhilTWTD

Think it ought to be noted that police had dropped the allegation against him prior to his suicide.

https://lgbt.wikia.org/wiki/Justin_Fashanu


You and your facts Ham.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:47 - Nov 4 with 7567 viewsIllinoisblue

People willingly gave you their names?

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:49 - Nov 4 with 7557 viewsReuser_is_God

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:47 - Nov 4 by Illinoisblue

People willingly gave you their names?


This is all a bit odd.

He has names, videos & photos but that’s not enough evidence, apparently.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 18:12 - Nov 4 with 7495 viewsBLUEBEAT

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:15 - Nov 4 by Parky

I’m just pointing out that he was charged for sexually assaulting a teenage boy and I don’t agree with idolisation. Some of our fans absolutely detest James Norwood because he got caught drink driving and multiple other reasons [rightly so], but are just happy to forget Fashanu’s conviction.

To set the story straight, I don’t think said song should be sung anywhere and any other homophobic songs for that matter.


Conviction?

Deep water for you.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 18:13 - Nov 4 with 7504 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:47 - Nov 4 by Illinoisblue

People willingly gave you their names?


No but people willingly chanting them and bragging about their places of work etc (including a teacher)
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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 18:14 - Nov 4 with 7481 viewsBLUEBEAT

I love Justin’s electro-boogie track from ‘82


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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 18:15 - Nov 4 with 7484 viewsfactual_blue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:49 - Nov 4 by Reuser_is_God

This is all a bit odd.

He has names, videos & photos but that’s not enough evidence, apparently.


I think he says the videos are mainly of singing, and not necessarily of that disgusting 'song'.

If anybody has names, perhaps checking those people's social media accounts might lead to them condemning themselves from their own mouths. They sound the sort of top lads who post clips of themselves singing this.

I hope they're caught and never, ever allowed near any Town game ever again.

And if you hear somebody at PR singing that 'song', report them. They're a disgrace.

And no, you won't be a 'grass'.

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Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 18:18 - Nov 4 with 7463 viewsPaddingtonblue

Homophobic (Fashanu) Chant's- Plymouth to Paddington train on 17:49 - Nov 4 by Reuser_is_God

This is all a bit odd.

He has names, videos & photos but that’s not enough evidence, apparently.


In what way do you mean odd I am intrigued?

As I explained earlier I have a mismatch of names, photos and videos, The videos each show bits of the chant but dont catch exactly who is doing the chanting, the photos show the key people and only have the full names of two of the people and first names of some others.

So its not conclusive in that sense and the club say they cant act on that alone. Another witness would be great help.
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