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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final 15:48 - May 30 with 4306 viewsbluelagos

Not sure why I should bother writing this up, but I will, simply as I can't be arsed responding to the many ignorant and hateful comments that will be made online. But for those people who are unsure of what went on, read away and feel free to share away.

First up some pointers. Have seen articles in the Guardian and the Mail, both of which tell a story of the chaos and disorganisation of the entry, of heavy handed violent reactionary policing as events unfolded. Twitter is also awash with first hand experience and videos of fans and their experiences including complaints post match too.

Will try to stick to my own expereinces and those I spoke to and/or identify the source of any comments.

First up Paris. Me and my mates avoided the fanzone for a couple of reasons. We knew it would be crowded, very crowded. Myself and a couple of fellow survivors had all been at Hillsborough, so none of us like crowded environments. Far better to simply enjoy the sunshine, beer and French food in Montmatre where we are all staying.

We all had match tickets and spent the afternoon slowly downing a few beers. Between us we had substantial knowledge/experience of the Stade, of Paris (CRS) policing and crucially one of our number had earlier spoken to a French politician and club official so we knew the level of policing, match timings and expected travel problems. All in there were good reasons to head to the ground early, and so we arranged an Uber to take us the 3 miles to the stadium.

An Uber meant we would avoid the rammed Metro and we could get 5 traveling into the cab. We ordered one at 6.30pm which meant an eta of around 7pm at the Stade. Plenty of time to manage the ticket and security checks before making our way to our seats.

Things started to feel tense as the traffic got heavy around a mile or so from the ground. Sirened police vans fought through the traffic and the odd VIP was queue jumped but the rest of us plebs in cars/taxis hit gridlock. Word came through the LFC coach was stuck/late and we got to within 500m of the ground around 7.45pm. People were jumping out of cabs and walking but it was clear pedestrians were not welcome on what was a throughway. Police officers made people climb over barrier to join a parallel road so as to prevent them walking on the road.

Eventually we got next to the stadium and witnessed the chaos of fans at a bottle neck up to the ground. There was plenty of frustration on display, riot police and very little evidence of people moving. From press reports I believe the ground was as this stage "locked down" and that tallies with what we saw.

Knowing that our gates were the opposite end of the stadium and that noone was entering here, we opted to walk around to the next access area. As we walked round riot police barged their way through. Some police were climbing a fence to exit the ground and join them and I offered a hand to one who had a big drop. He refused, landed on his arse and carried on. Sad that football fans are seen so poorly that a genuine offer was refused, but that's his call.

So I'd guess around 8pm we make it to the next entry point. At this point I see maybe a dozen local french youth scaling fences. Some are caught, some are not.

So we get to the entry point and are met with a frustrated crowd. Clearly there are a number of ticketless locals trying to bunk in and no doubt a pick pocket or two. I heard a few fans later say they felt hands going for wallets etc. Saint Denis is in a very deprived part of Paris and it seems some of the locals were likely using the opportunity for petty crime.

Two riot vans are parked and the fans are funneled through to a ticket check and then a bag search. They were set up to check maybe 4 people at a time. They did this and progress was slow, very slow. The bottle neck meant a level of crushing that was always going to be a trigger for anyone who had experienced the crushes at Hillsborough.

A couple of times I thought of leaving but it wasn't at the point of panic. And after maybe 15 minutes I couldn't really have left anyway. Twice a "mobile" of around 20 riot police came and fought their way through the crowd. A few words were exchanged but the officers were following orders and tried not to be overly aggressive. I think the last police made a line say 10 across and 2 deep and I soon found myself pushed up again a riot shield.

After I landed on the riot shield I apologised and said '"pardon" worried I might get a baton and unable to lift my arms to defend myself. I was basically bounced along 3 riot shields to a gap where they were letting people through. I have to say that after Hillsborough that was definitely the least comfortable I have been at a match in 33 years. On a number of times people shouted at others to get back and generally they did. I heard later that that "cordon" collapsed and fans were just let in but I can't verify that. I had my ticket checked twice, was waved through the bag check and made my way onto the concourse, naively thinking all would be good now.

It was 8.30pm and my only concern was we had lost Ade. I wondered if he had turned away but I heard later he got in, albeit shaken up like everyone else. I made my way round to Gate A (as per my ticket) and passed half a dozen gates with barriers and fans queuing but no one seemed to be getting though. I did see a couple more locals jumping fences, probably with a 75% success rate.

When I made it to Gate A I was met with a much less crowded/dangerous queue albeit one that wasn't moving. The people I spoke to were exasperated and some were leaving, scared at what was developing. Ten mins before I got there some fans (as reported to me as French) had jumped a fence and the police had responded with tear gas. Lots of people had sore eyes, but I cant say if it was tear gas or pepper spray. But either way, the police had used one or the other and on fans who were simply waiting to get through a gate.

Everyone seemed to have tickets and when someone suggested climbimg the fence pretty much everyone was like "Why? We have a ticket?" A number of people had been directed from other gates but most were Gate A holders. Word came through of a delay to kickoff as the clock went passed 9pm, local kick off time.

After a few more minutes the queue did start to move but word came that Gate C was clear so I tried that and sure enough was met by 4 moving queues instead of one and I soon got close to the entry point. I first saw a local arguing (his ticket was fake) and they were close to fighting, I grabbed him by shoulders and through him away and a fellow fan went through.

I took my seat at 9.15 and breathed a large sigh of relief. There was no overcrowding in the seats but there were people stood in the aisles. That could have been for a number of reasons, people wanting to stand with mates, people who had been sold fake tickets or people bunking in. Ref the later it is fair to say the ones I witnessed climbing fences were all local youths.

After the game there were reports of people being tear gassed on approaching the station. I think what actually happened was some local youths dropped some pyro into the crowds rather than the police tear gassing anyone. I have been teargassed twice previously and the smell was of pyro. Unpleasant for sure but not the "police attacks" I read about, not where I was. The train station was well organised. Onto the second train and ferried back to the Gare de nord safely and quickly.

A quick note on how it compared to France 98. From memory the organisation was far better then with a wider "exclusion zone" and more checks. I quess this match, like Wembley final for the Euros, attracted a lot more chancers but that is not to excuse the disorganisation and police responses. Serious questions need to be asked and maybe paper tickets need to go for big matches? The initial response from Uefa that fans were late is a downright lie, quickly debunked.

The now reported issues of fake tickets were clearly made worse by some ticketless fans (local from what I saw) and some reactionary and violent police responses. Sadly those

What strikes me is those who broke in seemed to get away with it whilst the police response was to tear gas and spray those with tickets. Press reports of difficulties getting in for dignitaries, players friends and families expose the lies of Uefa. Worse was a report of a journo being made to wipe phone footage he took of some of the chaos. Gladly initial reports seem to be hitting the spot, namely thousands of innocent fans were put in a dangerous position. And those responsible for keeping them safe (Uefa and the French police) failed miserably to do that.

And I have seen up close the result of disorganisation and violent reactionary policing at Hillsborough. It should never be accepted to target innocent fans because of the behaviour of a minority. Organise the fan entry points safely rather than rely on police violence if/when problems occur.

Glad to see the truth emerging and shame on all those who chose to believe and or repeat the lies without stopping to check for themselves the facts. Some morons really have learned nothing 33 years after Hillsborough. And I include every single apologist for the French police in that statement.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 15:55 - May 30 with 3769 viewsunbelievablue

Sounds crap. Sorry you had to go through it. Best to ignore the idiots.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 17:21 - May 30 with 3521 viewsPJH

I can only imagine what it must have been like for anyone there that had also been at Sheffield. The similarities outside the ground must have brought back some horrible memories, not that I think for a moment that you and others have ever lost the memories.
Going through that and Hillsborough and then reading some of the rubbish spouted must make your blood boil.
Glad that at least this time everyone got through it reasonably okay although some now have new or additional mental scars.
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 17:51 - May 30 with 3424 viewsSwansea_Blue

Yeah, but in The Sun it says….

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 18:33 - May 30 with 3313 viewsRyorry

Thanks Lagos, it's really good to be able to read an eye-witness's direct account that you know you can trust.

Just sorry you & your mates had to go through such awful experiences to watch what should have been just an enjoyable big game of football. Sounds quite terrifying at times, esp for those like yourself who'd been at Hillsborough. And thinking of the families there, with kids & elderly people being treated like that, makes my blood boil.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:16 - May 30 with 3162 viewsNthsuffolkblue

So glad that it turned out no worse than it did. Hope lessons are learned and well done for all you have done (unfortunately unsuccessfully) to try to ensure people were brought to account.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:26 - May 30 with 3112 viewsNthsuffolkblue

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So glad that it turned out no worse than it did. Hope lessons are learned and well done for all you have done (unfortunately unsuccessfully) to try to ensure people were brought to account.


French Interior Minister saying the organisation prevented deaths from happening. Technically he is correct but it sounds like there may have been more good fortune (and sensible behaviour from Liverpool fans who would have reason to be better behaved in this situation than many others) than good judgement involved there.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:44 - May 30 with 3081 viewsITFC_Forever

The final part about multiple social media footage clips quickly debunking the lazy UEFA narrative got me thinking ….. had the modern day phone with video / camera capabilities been around in 1989, I wonder how different the last 33 years would have been for the survivors and victims of Hillsborough?

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:55 - May 30 with 3040 viewsNthsuffolkblue

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:44 - May 30 by ITFC_Forever

The final part about multiple social media footage clips quickly debunking the lazy UEFA narrative got me thinking ….. had the modern day phone with video / camera capabilities been around in 1989, I wonder how different the last 33 years would have been for the survivors and victims of Hillsborough?


Would have been much harder to deny than multiple witness statements appear to have been.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:44 - May 30 by ITFC_Forever

The final part about multiple social media footage clips quickly debunking the lazy UEFA narrative got me thinking ….. had the modern day phone with video / camera capabilities been around in 1989, I wonder how different the last 33 years would have been for the survivors and victims of Hillsborough?


If only they had been around during the miners' strike!

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 21:49 - May 30 with 2899 viewsChurchman

Thank you for posting your experiences. It’s actually the first account of what happened that I actually trust. I’m of course really pleased you and your friends are safe, but sorry you had to go through all that, especially having experienced the Hillsborough disaster.

Sadly I suspect politics will rule the day, the suits will protect themselves and the easiest targets, supporters just going to a football match - with tickets, will carry the blame. That’s why first hand accounts and others who were there with cameras etc are so important. The truth is everything.

Thank you once again.
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:55 - May 30 by Nthsuffolkblue

Would have been much harder to deny than multiple witness statements appear to have been.


Deny / doctor!

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The final part about multiple social media footage clips quickly debunking the lazy UEFA narrative got me thinking ….. had the modern day phone with video / camera capabilities been around in 1989, I wonder how different the last 33 years would have been for the survivors and victims of Hillsborough?


It depends, plenty of people with a deep dislike of Liverpool have been very keen to use clips of Saturday out of context to blame their fans for it all, despite the clear evidence to the contrary.

This adds to BL's account so posting here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/champions-league-paris-final-fi

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 11:30 - May 31 with 2444 viewsbluelagos

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 20:44 - May 30 by ITFC_Forever

The final part about multiple social media footage clips quickly debunking the lazy UEFA narrative got me thinking ….. had the modern day phone with video / camera capabilities been around in 1989, I wonder how different the last 33 years would have been for the survivors and victims of Hillsborough?


So 33 years ago, all you had to go on was the word/witness accounts of thousands of fans, journalists vs the words of police officers. There was lots of video evidence too, like the stolen video tapes from the control room that only the police and SWFC officials had access too.

Some police actually criticised aspects of policing at Hillsborough, but those accounts were quickly changed, sometimes without the knowledge of the police officers concerned, though many more colluded with those changes.

Then the police of course went about "collecting" evidence to suit their purpose. Photographing bins, visiting pubs to collate evidence of drunkeness. They even blood tested the dead bodies for alcohol, and some people still in hospital.

Key though was to get the establishment onside. The newspapers were fed the disgusting lies from the police, fans had pickpocketed the dead, urinated on the dead etc. Demonise the other side and away you go.

Politicians were next, Sheffield had just one Tory MP, my MP at the time (The well known freemason Irvine Patnick) who is seen with Thatcher and Bernard Ingham the day after at Hillsborough next to (Freemason) Duckenfield and a few other police.

But as well as "public opinion" there's the small matter of a public inquiry. Best make sure any witnesses are of the caliber we need, best try and undermine any evidence that doesn't suit out story.

My own statement has the words "Lagos is 'Left wing' student - comes across as totally anti police" written on it. It is pinned to my twitter account, you can see it for yourself (PM if you want to see it)

Possibly the worse of all was the attempt to mislead the inquiry - an inquiry into how innocent people died. There was a well known and established "Freeman tactic" to close the tunnel when the central pens were full. It was named after the policeman who first did it. In 89 it wasn't used and had it been so there would have been no deaths.

The Wain report that went to the Taylor report was a summary of the police position, largely taken from police statements and procedures. (Drafted by Bettison) It omitted all references to the "Freeman tactic". The police chose not to include that in their evidence to the Taylor inquests.

If I come across as having nothing but contempt for the SYP, it's because it's true - I have nothing but contempt. To try and mislead a public inquiry that is trying to establish the facts and is trying to prevent a reoccurence is beyond contempt.

It is what the police do, they lie and shift the blame onto others when they mess up. It is in their culture, their DNA. Anyone whose first response it to blindly believe a policeman's word without questioning it, is an enabler of how they conduct themselves. They enable the police to behave with impunity.

You are correct that mobile footage makes it much harder now for them to lie, such as when 6 policemen watched Ian Thomlinson being attacked by Simon Harwood and the IPCC released a statement stating there was "no known contact" between them and IT. That Thomlinson died and those officers didn't speak out says a lot about the police. People who tell you it's changed are imho naive in the extreme. It was only an American tourist and his mobile phone that ensured the truth came out.

But anyway, if people are stupid enough to take a policeman's word and assume they are honest that is up to them. I am a numbers person and I know that of 1000+ officers at duty at Hillsborough precisely zero spoke out when their own Fed rep said this.

Tells me that the police are institutionally corrupt, corrupt to the core. Seen or heard nothing in 33 years now to tell me the police are any different now. They lie whenever they need to cover up for their colleagues.


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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 11:30 - May 31 by bluelagos

So 33 years ago, all you had to go on was the word/witness accounts of thousands of fans, journalists vs the words of police officers. There was lots of video evidence too, like the stolen video tapes from the control room that only the police and SWFC officials had access too.

Some police actually criticised aspects of policing at Hillsborough, but those accounts were quickly changed, sometimes without the knowledge of the police officers concerned, though many more colluded with those changes.

Then the police of course went about "collecting" evidence to suit their purpose. Photographing bins, visiting pubs to collate evidence of drunkeness. They even blood tested the dead bodies for alcohol, and some people still in hospital.

Key though was to get the establishment onside. The newspapers were fed the disgusting lies from the police, fans had pickpocketed the dead, urinated on the dead etc. Demonise the other side and away you go.

Politicians were next, Sheffield had just one Tory MP, my MP at the time (The well known freemason Irvine Patnick) who is seen with Thatcher and Bernard Ingham the day after at Hillsborough next to (Freemason) Duckenfield and a few other police.

But as well as "public opinion" there's the small matter of a public inquiry. Best make sure any witnesses are of the caliber we need, best try and undermine any evidence that doesn't suit out story.

My own statement has the words "Lagos is 'Left wing' student - comes across as totally anti police" written on it. It is pinned to my twitter account, you can see it for yourself (PM if you want to see it)

Possibly the worse of all was the attempt to mislead the inquiry - an inquiry into how innocent people died. There was a well known and established "Freeman tactic" to close the tunnel when the central pens were full. It was named after the policeman who first did it. In 89 it wasn't used and had it been so there would have been no deaths.

The Wain report that went to the Taylor report was a summary of the police position, largely taken from police statements and procedures. (Drafted by Bettison) It omitted all references to the "Freeman tactic". The police chose not to include that in their evidence to the Taylor inquests.

If I come across as having nothing but contempt for the SYP, it's because it's true - I have nothing but contempt. To try and mislead a public inquiry that is trying to establish the facts and is trying to prevent a reoccurence is beyond contempt.

It is what the police do, they lie and shift the blame onto others when they mess up. It is in their culture, their DNA. Anyone whose first response it to blindly believe a policeman's word without questioning it, is an enabler of how they conduct themselves. They enable the police to behave with impunity.

You are correct that mobile footage makes it much harder now for them to lie, such as when 6 policemen watched Ian Thomlinson being attacked by Simon Harwood and the IPCC released a statement stating there was "no known contact" between them and IT. That Thomlinson died and those officers didn't speak out says a lot about the police. People who tell you it's changed are imho naive in the extreme. It was only an American tourist and his mobile phone that ensured the truth came out.

But anyway, if people are stupid enough to take a policeman's word and assume they are honest that is up to them. I am a numbers person and I know that of 1000+ officers at duty at Hillsborough precisely zero spoke out when their own Fed rep said this.

Tells me that the police are institutionally corrupt, corrupt to the core. Seen or heard nothing in 33 years now to tell me the police are any different now. They lie whenever they need to cover up for their colleagues.



Lagos, was going to suggest you send your account in to add to the evidence, but I see from the Guardian article SteveM linked (thanks Steve, excellent article - essential reading even) that Steve Rotheram is specifically asking for such material -

"Steve Rotheram says: ‘We need to collect a large body of evidence, video recordings and witness testimony.’

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 12:16 - May 31 with 2359 viewsChurchman

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 11:11 - May 31 by Steve_M

It depends, plenty of people with a deep dislike of Liverpool have been very keen to use clips of Saturday out of context to blame their fans for it all, despite the clear evidence to the contrary.

This adds to BL's account so posting here:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/champions-league-paris-final-fi


Thank you for posting this link.

I am horrified and disgusted by this and in of course BLs experience. The lessons learned of Hillsborough are the only positive thing that could ever come out of that avoidable appalling tragedy and cover up. Clearly, for far too many people nothing has been learned..

Yes, I get that for certain people, money, politics and vested interests are everything, but not for me. This disgrace should never have happened and the only way to counter the snow job blame game that’s in full swing from Macron’s mob and corrupt UEFA is to bury them with irrefutable evidence. Sadly, I doubt there will be any help from Johnson’s inept shower.
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 12:42 - May 31 with 2309 viewsRadlett_blue

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 11:30 - May 31 by bluelagos

So 33 years ago, all you had to go on was the word/witness accounts of thousands of fans, journalists vs the words of police officers. There was lots of video evidence too, like the stolen video tapes from the control room that only the police and SWFC officials had access too.

Some police actually criticised aspects of policing at Hillsborough, but those accounts were quickly changed, sometimes without the knowledge of the police officers concerned, though many more colluded with those changes.

Then the police of course went about "collecting" evidence to suit their purpose. Photographing bins, visiting pubs to collate evidence of drunkeness. They even blood tested the dead bodies for alcohol, and some people still in hospital.

Key though was to get the establishment onside. The newspapers were fed the disgusting lies from the police, fans had pickpocketed the dead, urinated on the dead etc. Demonise the other side and away you go.

Politicians were next, Sheffield had just one Tory MP, my MP at the time (The well known freemason Irvine Patnick) who is seen with Thatcher and Bernard Ingham the day after at Hillsborough next to (Freemason) Duckenfield and a few other police.

But as well as "public opinion" there's the small matter of a public inquiry. Best make sure any witnesses are of the caliber we need, best try and undermine any evidence that doesn't suit out story.

My own statement has the words "Lagos is 'Left wing' student - comes across as totally anti police" written on it. It is pinned to my twitter account, you can see it for yourself (PM if you want to see it)

Possibly the worse of all was the attempt to mislead the inquiry - an inquiry into how innocent people died. There was a well known and established "Freeman tactic" to close the tunnel when the central pens were full. It was named after the policeman who first did it. In 89 it wasn't used and had it been so there would have been no deaths.

The Wain report that went to the Taylor report was a summary of the police position, largely taken from police statements and procedures. (Drafted by Bettison) It omitted all references to the "Freeman tactic". The police chose not to include that in their evidence to the Taylor inquests.

If I come across as having nothing but contempt for the SYP, it's because it's true - I have nothing but contempt. To try and mislead a public inquiry that is trying to establish the facts and is trying to prevent a reoccurence is beyond contempt.

It is what the police do, they lie and shift the blame onto others when they mess up. It is in their culture, their DNA. Anyone whose first response it to blindly believe a policeman's word without questioning it, is an enabler of how they conduct themselves. They enable the police to behave with impunity.

You are correct that mobile footage makes it much harder now for them to lie, such as when 6 policemen watched Ian Thomlinson being attacked by Simon Harwood and the IPCC released a statement stating there was "no known contact" between them and IT. That Thomlinson died and those officers didn't speak out says a lot about the police. People who tell you it's changed are imho naive in the extreme. It was only an American tourist and his mobile phone that ensured the truth came out.

But anyway, if people are stupid enough to take a policeman's word and assume they are honest that is up to them. I am a numbers person and I know that of 1000+ officers at duty at Hillsborough precisely zero spoke out when their own Fed rep said this.

Tells me that the police are institutionally corrupt, corrupt to the core. Seen or heard nothing in 33 years now to tell me the police are any different now. They lie whenever they need to cover up for their colleagues.



Thanks. I hadn't ever heard of the "Freeman tactic". The Hillsborough deaths were largely a result of police incompetence (aided & abetted by the FA & Sheffield Wednesday FC) rather than deliberate wrongdoing, but the whole cover-up operation was disgusting & it's appalling that the case against Norman Bettison was dropped, although he wouldn't have been the only senior officer involved. He retains his knighthood & £83,000 annual pension.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 13:02 - May 31 with 2258 viewsBlueNomad

Lagos, I’m sorry to read that what should have been a brilliant experience turned out to be anything but.

Can I share your experience with friends who just think it’s “bloody football fans again”?
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 13:35 - May 31 with 2211 viewsTractorWood

Hi Lagos.

Sounds grim. Contact UEFA with your account and ask for a refund due to their negligence.

They refunded lots of Euro final tickets.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:09 - May 31 with 2148 viewsglasso

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 15:55 - May 30 by unbelievablue

Sounds crap. Sorry you had to go through it. Best to ignore the idiots.


Nice one for writing this up.

Had an argument with some absolute turnip on one of the ITFC Facebook pages about this on Saturday night - I will never understand proper football fans who still dish out the lies about Hillsborough and use it at every opportunity to knock (usually, but not always) Liverpool fans.

We know UEFA is corrupt. We know football is all about money and cares very little about fans. We know police will do whatever it takes to cover up their own mistakes... and yet football fans still love to point the finger at each other and take the side of all of those establishments. Bizarre.
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:09 - May 31 with 2149 viewsbluelagos

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 13:35 - May 31 by TractorWood

Hi Lagos.

Sounds grim. Contact UEFA with your account and ask for a refund due to their negligence.

They refunded lots of Euro final tickets.


Post game we were chatting about the issue ref Uefa and how it is all about money. An American next to Ade said if this was the states there would be a class action and they'd sue the arse off them. Of course America is a litigious society and tbh, having my money back is of little benefit to me personally.

What I suggested and might just happen, is that sponsors won't be happy. Sponsors get tickets not just for the jolly, but they run promotions and send winners on a lovely trip. I saw playstation reps meeting people at St Pancras on the Friday morning. Not sure if they were for the CL final or off to Monaco but more likely the CL final.

Now assuming they all had problems getting in, assuming some walked away, assuming some were tear gassed etc. am sure the sponsors would be livid. So that may be a route to Uefa.

And we have had influential people like Steve Rotherham speaking out. Check below article (I know Kev well and have met Steve R a few times) which tells a story. Can vouch for Kev personally.

It is a story not just of gross incompetence. Rather of contempt that those in authority hold for ordinary people. Exactly the same contempt the SYP had for ordinary people (and still do imho), people without power, without influence, without a voice.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/champions-league-paris-final-fi

I keep saying it, those who choose to blindly accept the police/state version of events without question and without evidence are enablers when those in power then go on to abuse their positions of power and influence.

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 13:02 - May 31 by BlueNomad

Lagos, I’m sorry to read that what should have been a brilliant experience turned out to be anything but.

Can I share your experience with friends who just think it’s “bloody football fans again”?


Yep of course.

Send them a link
https://ahillsboroughsurvivor.blogspot.com/2022/05/champions-league-final-2022.h

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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:28 - May 31 with 2098 viewsbluelagos

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:09 - May 31 by glasso

Nice one for writing this up.

Had an argument with some absolute turnip on one of the ITFC Facebook pages about this on Saturday night - I will never understand proper football fans who still dish out the lies about Hillsborough and use it at every opportunity to knock (usually, but not always) Liverpool fans.

We know UEFA is corrupt. We know football is all about money and cares very little about fans. We know police will do whatever it takes to cover up their own mistakes... and yet football fans still love to point the finger at each other and take the side of all of those establishments. Bizarre.


About 2/3 weeks ago we had around a dozen TWTD forum members upvote a comment about Liverpool fans - "always the victims"

These people are hateful and they are idiots. And by labeling fans as such they align themselves with the SYP who also chose to malign ordinary fans rather than admit their own failings.

Why? Prejudice and hate from over 40 years ago ffs? If someone had a bad experience of black people, and forty years later was still slagging off black people at every opportunity you'd happily tell them they are ignorant arseholes. I think the exact same of anyone who says "Why always Liverpool", "Always the victim".

They are ignorant hateful arseholes. They don't like it when that it pointed out to them, but as I say in the OP, if the cap fits...
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:29 - May 31 with 2090 viewsSTYG

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:09 - May 31 by bluelagos

Post game we were chatting about the issue ref Uefa and how it is all about money. An American next to Ade said if this was the states there would be a class action and they'd sue the arse off them. Of course America is a litigious society and tbh, having my money back is of little benefit to me personally.

What I suggested and might just happen, is that sponsors won't be happy. Sponsors get tickets not just for the jolly, but they run promotions and send winners on a lovely trip. I saw playstation reps meeting people at St Pancras on the Friday morning. Not sure if they were for the CL final or off to Monaco but more likely the CL final.

Now assuming they all had problems getting in, assuming some walked away, assuming some were tear gassed etc. am sure the sponsors would be livid. So that may be a route to Uefa.

And we have had influential people like Steve Rotherham speaking out. Check below article (I know Kev well and have met Steve R a few times) which tells a story. Can vouch for Kev personally.

It is a story not just of gross incompetence. Rather of contempt that those in authority hold for ordinary people. Exactly the same contempt the SYP had for ordinary people (and still do imho), people without power, without influence, without a voice.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/champions-league-paris-final-fi

I keep saying it, those who choose to blindly accept the police/state version of events without question and without evidence are enablers when those in power then go on to abuse their positions of power and influence.


I feared the worst watching the coverage because my natural assumption was that you'd have this vicious cycle of fans being tear-gassed, trying to push away from the police and out of danger, inadvertently creating a bit of a crush in doing so and with everyone there being so aware of Hillsborough and no doubt other survivors then you could have then understandably have had what the Police thought was 'unrest' leading to them acting again and so on.

Sounds incredibly lucky nobody was seriously hurt and it's quite disgusting that, having got so much so wrong, they are looking to blame fans, specifically Liverpool ones, when they must know they have picked on the one group of people that will not accept being blamed in such a manner. If they didn't know the determination of Liverpool fans to get justice, they are in for a shock.
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My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:35 - May 31 with 2063 viewsbluelagos

My write up from Saturday in Paris CL Final on 14:29 - May 31 by STYG

I feared the worst watching the coverage because my natural assumption was that you'd have this vicious cycle of fans being tear-gassed, trying to push away from the police and out of danger, inadvertently creating a bit of a crush in doing so and with everyone there being so aware of Hillsborough and no doubt other survivors then you could have then understandably have had what the Police thought was 'unrest' leading to them acting again and so on.

Sounds incredibly lucky nobody was seriously hurt and it's quite disgusting that, having got so much so wrong, they are looking to blame fans, specifically Liverpool ones, when they must know they have picked on the one group of people that will not accept being blamed in such a manner. If they didn't know the determination of Liverpool fans to get justice, they are in for a shock.


I tweeted exactly the same point yesterday. The idea that Liverpudlians are going to take the blame for something that is someone else's fault...

There was clearly widespread lawlessness and criminality on Saturday - and 99% were locals. It clear to anyone and everyone there.

Luckily the media has been holding the French politicians to account and reporting the restraint and good behaviour of 99% of the LFc fans. Of course those with an agenda will seek to throw mud at the LFC fans. Call it tribalism if you want, but I am happy to call out hateful arseholes for what they are.

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