Dobie and marcus beat me to the point about Keane and Irish players - actually Walters has an RoI B cap so we could be heading for a hat trick!

I reckon the club will accept 200k - it is kind of worrying that the only talk is of players leaving. If Owen does not leave maybe he expects to get his chance at town later in the season in the event of keane getting the heave?

1. Every player should put the hard work in, it is a pre-requisite of success in whatever field you are in.
2. Palace are completely skint and Garvan is probably good value for money at a couple of hundred grand. The fact that their initial bid was only 100k says a lot i think

£2.5 million for Walters and £200,000 for Garvan.
What a strange world we live in!

bedsitfc ... i do think their is a difference between the prem and the championship that was my point he was allowed to drop down a league ,no one has made any enquires about him and he hardly shone in this league last season ,maybe the manager cannot get the best out of him ?
And maybe Burley is an ex premier manager of the season but he has still won it,and i value his opinion and that of Trappatoni over someone who took the favourites to promotion after spending an incredible amount of money and then walked out on them when they were on an awful run, and do you honestly think that premier clubs are chasing after Keane for what he has achieved here ,a couple of tough months and fixtures at the start of the season and he will be gone ,the only reason he didnt walk away last season was the fact it would have ended his managerial career

i agree if keane walked from us that would be the end for him in management.
like keane or not he took sunderland up and kept them there yes he did waste a lot of money to keep them up but they are there we are not.
we all like burley he got us up, but how long did it take???
then we did have a fantastic year in the premiership and he wasted a lot of money before losing the dressing room and taking us into admin.
sounds a bit like keane's time at sunderland appart from admin and relegation.
what i am trying to say is keane is no worst than what we have had and is still learning, he knows what it takes to get us promotion and garvan isn't it.

Several on here have mentioned the shots on goal last year. Here's how I see it:

We had a lot of ineffective long-range shots. Which is why we had so many shots but scored so few. One reason for this was a glaring lack of quality in midfield meaning there were very few killer-balls going into the strikers. It wasn't the strikers themselves who were the problem (though I can't deny a bit more quality there wouldn't go amiss).

People also mention the number of sitters we missed. Yes, we did one or two in several games. Heskey missed one for England against America. Does that mean we deserved to win that game? No. People miss sitters all the time. To cling onto them as proof of deserving to win is just rubbish.

I'm sure plenty of teams missed sitters against us last year too.

oh and bedsititfc: "what i am trying to say is keane is no worst than what we have had"

didn't you watch the football last season?

By a long, long way the worst I've seen since Duncan.

Burley took a while to get us up but a) he had no money, b) we challenged every year he was here and c) we played good football all the time.

There's a big difference there.

but do we want to be challanging every year only to fail at the last like so many years gone by or do we say lets change things a bit, not talking boring football but faster and a bit more direct.
Our main problem last year was our start which knocked all confidents out of our squad and we never recovered,this was imo caused by clegg/keane (pre season prep), silly mistakes and a change in direction.
if we hit the ground running this year we will all see a different town.

bedsititfc: I hope so for all our sakes. Not sure I can take another season of the kind of dross served up to us last year.

Personally, I'm not a believer that we can't do this by playing good football. west brom have done it, so why can't we? There seems to be this belief that we have to change and be more direct to acheive anything. Maybe it will work. I hope so.

naa - we all hope and dream of the day we can say we are an established premier team.

Fact is that Garvan, along with Pablo, always divide opinion on here and let's face it when they are at their best they are a joy to watch. Personally i think that he needs to move on for the sake of his own career. Even though he is still young, he has had more opportunities than most of his generation here and he still hasnt nailed down a permanent slot with recent managers and it is debateable whether he would do so under Royale. No point in him staying here and rotting like Bowditch so if he goe's then all the best to him and i think that someone like Burley would be good for him.

Leadbitter & Norris - oh dear. Norris is a waste of time for me - runs round but only beacuse he doesn't read the game. A tryer but has failed to live upto his billing.

Leadbitter - can put a tackle in and can hit a ball - started well, but faded for me. Corners - lets hope Luca can beat the first defender because nobody else seems to be able to.

how he played in Holland on Saturday, all you need to do is chuck in his bus fare and he can leave for Palace in the morning.

brogansnose: don't disagree especially but Garvan was a regular under both Royle and Magilton. It's only Keane who has dropped him.

But, if Keane is going to stay here for any period of time I agree that Garvan should leave for his own sake, as Keane clearly doesn't want talented but not hard-working midfielders.