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Bonne Left Out of Zimbabwe Squad
at 16:44:10

Clearly Southgate has asked him to represent England instead…
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Ipswich Town 6-0 Doncaster Rovers - Match Report
at 21:48:59

I think we've gelled.
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Ipswich Town 2-2 MK Dons - Match Report
at 17:20:45

Another positive performance. Looking like some of the partnerships Cook is talking about are forming. Defending a little better but goals given away from a good free-kick and individual error (which should in theory start to get stomped out). Very disappointed to hear 'supporters' already booing after a decent performance and quite an exciting game.

Thought Bonne and Edwards were excellent, Burns and Woolfenden probably their best performances so far, Burgess solid once again. All around played some decent, exciting football, and will only get better.

Keep some hope, COYB!
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El Mizouni Appalled and Embarrassed By Booing Fans
at 12:24:50

TimmyH, so what you’re saying is, you want discrimination to end, but you don’t want anyone to be made aware of it? The knee and LGBT armbands shows support for movements made of millions of people around the world working towards equality, it is not political. The knee came from Colin Kaepernick protesting against discrimination and police brutality - nothing political about that.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 00:07:53

Northstandveteran, thanks for pointing that out, I perhaps spoke too generally. I didn’t actually know about some of that so thanks for letting me know.

Also, #mccarthyin
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 21:20:17

Tractorboy, it’s all well and good you saying that you aren’t racist, but you need to be actively anti racist. Also I never called you racist in the first place...

Saying ‘white lives matter’ is not offensive on its own, however in the context it is extremely ignorant. It is used as a direct counter to BLM and suggests that you are dismissing the racist experiences of black people, and the history of racism. Once again, ‘black lives matter’ is not saying they matter more, nor that white lives matter less, just that they matter. White people were not used as slaves. White people do not live in fear of the police. White people do not face racist abuse wherever they go. I suggest reading into why saying ‘all lives matter’ or ‘white lives matter’ is wrong.

As for the protests, it is an extremely small minority of people looting in the US, and even smaller in the U.K. Pretty much all protests are completely peaceful. As someone who has attended a BLM protest, I can assure you there was no violence, looting or ‘smashing places up.’ If this English culture you talk about being destroyed includes the statues of slave traders, I am ashamed to be English, not that I was particularly proud in the first place. The amount of racism in this country is disgraceful. Ever thought that people’s lives are more important than this ‘culture?’
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 12:00:41

Tractorboy, good thing I’m ashamed for you to be a fellow Ipswich fan too then. I’m not saying COVID doesn’t matter, but it is not a long standing issue, and it is being solved. How can protesting against racism be wrong and completely irresponsible while it’s fine for thousands of people to flock to beaches and parks? Again, the 40000 deaths are awful, and I’m not trying to disrespect them, but how many millions of people have died because of racism? COVID also disproportionately affects ethnic minorities more, partly due to the systemic racism in place and minorities much more likely to have low paid jobs in contact with lots of people and living in poverty.

Of course your white life matters, no one is disputing that. However you do not have to deal with racism on a daily basis. Right now, black lives do not seem to matter, hence why there are protests. It is ignorant to say ‘white lives matter’ and pretty disrespectful.

Dozzells Bobblehat, this is copied straight from blacklivesmatter.com:

We call for a national defunding of police. We demand investment in our communities and the resources to ensure Black people not only survive, but thrive.

Yep, clearly says abolish...

Black lives matter means black lives matter too. All lives can’t matter until black lives matter because, right now, black lives don’t matter to many people. Same goes for everyone else, however, black lives seem to matter less than other minorities. This ‘hysteria’ is caused by the racism that has been present for so long. I am quite frankly ashamed of myself that it has taken me this long to start standing up against it instead of quietly watching as it goes on. Finally, we might be seeing some actual change due to the amount of people doing the same. It is becoming less socially acceptable to be racist because people are actually starting to call it out, which is great.

If these sympathetic people are sick of the younger generation protesting maybe they aren’t that sympathetic after all. This is not a trend. This momentum needs to continue, and if that means some white people get annoyed, that’s their problem.

Pencilpete, I agree it’s great that we’re talking about this, and thank you for being so polite about it too. I think the reason people didn’t wait until after COVID to protest is because the movement would have lost so much momentum. It had to start with that anger. Many people would have forgotten about the incident if they waited a few months after it happened, just as they did after all the other innocent black killings. Obviously it’s not ideal to be protesting with what’s going on atm, but it’s creating the changes that are needed.

I understand what you’re saying. The main problem is to do with blackface which has been used for many years to mock and dehumanise black people. The same cannot be said for the ‘whiteface’ used in white chicks. As for shows being scrapped for racist jokes, I think it’s another place where opinions completely differ. Some people might claim that they’re just jokes so shouldn’t be offensive, but if black people are offended, are they ok? Some of theses shows are completely out of date and perhaps should be cut down instead of cancelled. I personally haven’t seen much of the two shows you mentioned so I’m not sure how many racist jokes are included. At the end of the day it’s not my place to decide if jokes are offensive or not. Like you said, you might not be offended by rain man but somebody else could be.

Yes there are always going to be people that just want to cause trouble. Thankfully I believe most protests are becoming entirely peaceful. You do have to understand the reason why people were so angry though.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 04:19:59

As for Dozzells Bobblehat. Wow. Just wow.

Please read any article about defunding the police. It might help you understand. Just look up ‘what does it mean to defund the police’ and you’ll be greeted with hundreds of results saying that it’s about redirecting funds into the community.

Apparently I’m ‘self righteous’ for speaking out against racism, and trying to help people understand. Everybody right now needs to be anti racist, not just non racist. Going against Black Lives Matter is racist. Saying All Lives Matter is incredibly ignorant. If you go on any post on social media regarding race, you’ll see the racist comments. Earlier today I saw a post by the conservatives saying happy Father’s Day, featuring a black man and his child. Some of the comments included saying it was ‘disgusting’ and it should be taken down because it did not show white people. Now am I ‘self righteous’ for calling that racist?

Now onto your next point, I am fully aware that I am not black. I do however listen to people of ethnic minorities and their experiences. I have a friend from Hong Kong who has had multiple people shout ‘coronavirus’ at her. I had a Muslim friend whose parents did not let her wear a hijab in case she got abuse, just like her mother. I have not seen those cases myself, but they happened. Just as they happen every single day to people of minorities. It is the height of white privilege to think that there’s not a problem with racism.

And on to your final point, I’m assuming you’re talking about David Dorn? Obviously his murder was completely awful, nobody is saying it isn’t. However you bringing it up is a way of trying to deflect attention from the problem at hand. He was not killed purely because of his race. It was at the hands of an extremely small minority of people that cause violence and looting at these protests (which is reported more than the peaceful protests which form the majority). Also what about the far right protesters causing much more violence, attacking police, doing Nazi salutes and pissing on memorials? Or are you fine with that?

It is not jumping on the bandwagon to speak out about racism that has been going on for 400 years. You do not have to be young to stand up. You do not have to be black to understand that racism exists. Educate yourself.

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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 03:52:45

Firstly, sorry pencil Pete, didn’t mean to downvote you, somehow did it on both posts. As to what you’ve actually said, many people are protesting because they believe racism is a bigger problem than COVID, and I agree with them. It’s up to you if you want to protest and I’m not going to argue about that.

As for the statues, I believe they should be kept in museums so we have a reminder of history but not out in the streets to remind black people of their ancestors pain. Slave traders do not deserve statues and they make many people feel uncomfortable. Churchill is another matter and people have differing opinions which is fine.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 14:51:43

Dozzells Bobblehat, things are bad in the UK too. All you have to do is look at any post about BLM and it receives many racist and ignorant comments from white people. If you’re completely against racism, you would know that we haven’t done enough here in the UK. There are not enough BAME people in a lot of professions. In football for example, around a third of players in the premier league are black, yet there are only 6 BAME managers in the top four divisions. Just because some have power doesn’t mean that our work is done. There is still a hell of a lot of racism in this country. The younger generation on the whole are the majority trying to stop racism, there’s nothing wrong with that.

The analogy about the burning house is perfect for this situation. As a white person I do not receive any abuse about my appearance, apart from jokes from my mates of course. Black people receive abuse in the streets, subtle or completely openly racist. That is inequality. That needs to stop as they’re being treated worse than us, hence they are the house on fire. I would not ask for the jokes about my appearance to stop while BAME people get have racist abuse shouted at them. My house matters, but the house on fire needs to be put out.

As for defunding the police, it does not mean there’ll be a purge-like situation where people do whatever they like with no police. It means that the huge police budget is reduced to put money into other areas to help the community, such as education and healthcare. In America, their response is more crime = more police. In many schools, they have a police officer and no counsellor. If you put money into community areas, help reduce poverty, crime is going to go down. I understand defunding the police is more of an American ideal as we do not have such a huge police budget over here, but the premise stays the same.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 12:57:12

Wooly, firstly I’d like to thank you for your service. It’s greatly appreciated by me and I’m sure everybody else on this forum. Soldiers are treated as heroes, and respected by pretty much everyone (as they should). Perhaps saying BLM is more important is the wrong wording, maybe to say that it is what we need to concentrate on is better. Everybody respects the poppy, and Remembrance Day, however as we have seen, not even everyone in this forum supports BLM. The fact that people can even argue against BLM is ridiculous, as essentially what these people are saying is ‘black lives don’t matter.’

Also on what you say about Churchill, multiple other groups of people have defaced the statue before, something which seemed to be reported less than in these protests. Another point is that although Churchill certainly was inspirational for the war effort, he was also a racist, white supremacist. I’m well aware that this is probably going to get me some hate as he is thought of as a national hero, however he wasn’t all good. He refused to give food to India during the Bengal Famine causing 2-3 million people die. He felt black people were beneath him, and called white people a ‘stronger’ and ‘higher grade’ race. I understand this was during a very different time, but it is still not acceptable. Just to say, this sort of thing needs to be taught in schools because I did not know about some of his racist actions until very recently. I suppose it comes down to personal opinion whether the statue stays or not though, so it’s fair enough if you disagree.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 03:40:28

Dear tractorboy, so glad to know that a white privellaged male such as yourself has lived such a comfortable life, unfortunately many are not so lucky.

If you listened to what any single black person, or a person of a minority, said, you would realise that racism is a problem. Just the other day I was speaking to a friend from Hong Kong, and she told me she felt less of a person because she is not white. She receives abuse on the streets in England. Do you think that’s ok? If that was someone you cared about, a daughter perhaps, how would you feel if they told you they felt less of a person because of something they were born with?

I attended a BLM protest yesterday in Felixstowe. It started with speeches from black people who had experienced racism in and around Suffolk. It is there, you just don’t know it. Now do you know what I saw as we marched along the seafront? Hundreds of people supporting the cause peacefully, absolutely no trouble at all. You know what else I saw? A white middle aged man supposedly ‘protecting’ the war memorial from us ‘thugs’ or ‘looters’ doing a nazi salute, and shouting all lives matter. Surely that goes to show that racism exists here?

You mentioned Lee Rigby. What happened to him was an awful, awful thing. However his mother has made a statement specifically telling people like you not to use his name in arguments against BLM, because that is against what Lee Rigby stood for. The reason we didn’t protest ‘white lives matter’ after his death is because firstly, white people do not deal with racism on a daily basis, and secondly, his attackers were instantly arrested and charged. There are many innocent black people killed by police while their murderers still walk free, because the system is screwed.

Many thanks, from a guy trying to be a half decent human being
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 19:41:57

Wooly, the reason I said that BLM is more important right now is because not everyone respects it, as has been shown in some of the comments above. Pretty much everybody respects the poppy, and if they don't they get abuse (and rightly so). Soldiers are probably one of the most respected groups of people. Black people, however, are treated with much less respect than white people by many.

On another note, how can people standing up for equality be called things like 'snowflakes.' All black people want is equal rights, not special treatment. I, just like most of the people on this forum will never be able to understand racism as we do not experience it. Just because you don't see it, just because you're not abusing black people does not mean that you can't be racist. It is racist undertones in society that are the problem, often when you don't even realise what you're saying is wrong. I have done the same thing.

Saying 'all lives matter' is an ignorant statement in itself. If you truly believed that, you would also support BLM. Let me give some examples:

If someone was dying on the floor and you called an ambulance, would you tell the paramedics to treat you as well because 'all lives matter?'

If somebody's house was on fire, would you tell them to put out every house on the street because 'all houses matter?'

Nobody is saying black lives are more important, just that they matter. If you argue against that then you are racist.
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Ex-Blue McGoldrick Instigated Players Taking a Knee
at 13:07:58

peteswindon, forgot that we don't hold a minute's silence for remembrance day. These are two very different things, BLM is more important as black people are not being treated equally to us. Nobody is saying that we don't care about those that have lost their lives in war.
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