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Another 'Kipper' quits 13:43 - Apr 6 with 4131 viewsNo9

As Mark Reckless joins the Welsh tories

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/live-updates-speculation-grows-am-128

Rats leaving the sinking ship - Or, just Rats?
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 13:54 - Apr 6 with 4098 viewsfeelingblue

He comes across more as bit of a loony than a rat.

Much like Carswell, I don't think that he is dishonest like Fox or Rees Mogg, or plain thick and dishonest like IDS or Farage.

Just a bit wierd.
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 13:56 - Apr 6 with 4089 viewsGlasgowBlue

Mark Reckless is a c u n t. The Tories should have told him to fook off imo.

UKip only exists now for Eurosceptic Labour voters whio can't bring themselves to vote Tory.
[Post edited 6 Apr 2017 13:57]

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:44 - Apr 6 with 4056 viewsBOjK

Another 'Kipper' quits on 13:56 - Apr 6 by GlasgowBlue

Mark Reckless is a c u n t. The Tories should have told him to fook off imo.

UKip only exists now for Eurosceptic Labour voters whio can't bring themselves to vote Tory.
[Post edited 6 Apr 2017 13:57]


No point for UKIP's existence as the Tories have morphed into the anti-EU/anti-immigration/pro-grammar school party.

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:49 - Apr 6 with 4044 viewsGlasgowBlue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:44 - Apr 6 by BOjK

No point for UKIP's existence as the Tories have morphed into the anti-EU/anti-immigration/pro-grammar school party.


I'd take issue with your critique of the Tory party. However, there are swathes of former Labour voters in the north of England who wouldn't dream of voting Tory under any circumstances and UKip is their outlet.

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:34 - Apr 6 with 4012 viewsThePitBoss

The ship is sailing into the sunset.

Mission accomplished!
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:42 - Apr 6 with 4004 viewschicoazul

Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:44 - Apr 6 by BOjK

No point for UKIP's existence as the Tories have morphed into the anti-EU/anti-immigration/pro-grammar school party.


Pro-grammar school, if only.

In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:47 - Apr 6 with 3996 viewsBOjK

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:42 - Apr 6 by chicoazul

Pro-grammar school, if only.


The Tory party as a whole has long been in favour of more Grammar schools, and they now have a leader in favour too. If she called a new election and put it in the manifesto it would be policy within 6 months.

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:49 - Apr 6 with 3988 viewsGlasgowBlue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:47 - Apr 6 by BOjK

The Tory party as a whole has long been in favour of more Grammar schools, and they now have a leader in favour too. If she called a new election and put it in the manifesto it would be policy within 6 months.


I'm still waiting for you to justify your comment that the Tory party is anti immigration.

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 16:08 - Apr 6 with 3972 viewsfeelingblue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:49 - Apr 6 by GlasgowBlue

I'm still waiting for you to justify your comment that the Tory party is anti immigration.


This is an interesting read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11913927/Theresa-Mays-immigra
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 16:11 - Apr 6 with 3970 viewsGlasgowBlue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 16:08 - Apr 6 by feelingblue

This is an interesting read.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11913927/Theresa-Mays-immigra


And this was my response to the speech you have linked.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/357292/just-watched-theresa-mays-speech

However, the difference between her rhetoric and the actions of this government doesn't support Bojk's statement.

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 17:10 - Apr 6 with 3935 viewsBOjK

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:49 - Apr 6 by GlasgowBlue

I'm still waiting for you to justify your comment that the Tory party is anti immigration.


Are you? Did you ask me to?

How about their long-standing policy to reduce immigration to the "tens of thousands". Is that evidence enough?

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 17:22 - Apr 6 with 3918 viewsGlasgowBlue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 17:10 - Apr 6 by BOjK

Are you? Did you ask me to?

How about their long-standing policy to reduce immigration to the "tens of thousands". Is that evidence enough?


No. Wanting controlled immigration is not a sign of being anti immigration.

otherwise......



https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/82513/e

and the policy is actually to reduce net migration to below 100,000.
[Post edited 6 Apr 2017 17:24]

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 13:22 - Jun 21 with 3682 viewsblue_oyster

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:47 - Apr 6 by BOjK

The Tory party as a whole has long been in favour of more Grammar schools, and they now have a leader in favour too. If she called a new election and put it in the manifesto it would be policy within 6 months.


See?

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:12 - Jun 21 with 3623 viewsBOjK

Another 'Kipper' quits on 13:22 - Jun 21 by blue_oyster

See?


See what?

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:47 - Apr 6 by BOjK

The Tory party as a whole has long been in favour of more Grammar schools, and they now have a leader in favour too. If she called a new election and put it in the manifesto it would be policy within 6 months.


Only if it was in the Labour manifesto too....
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:34 - Apr 6 by ThePitBoss

The ship is sailing into the sunset.

Mission accomplished!


will you be sailing with it

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:57 - Jun 21 with 3548 viewsblue_oyster

Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:12 - Jun 21 by BOjK

See what?


The Tories have no interest in grammar schools. They only pretend.

Conventional wisdom is the enemy of thought.
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:06 - Jun 21 with 3525 viewsLuk38644

Another 'Kipper' quits on 17:22 - Apr 6 by GlasgowBlue

No. Wanting controlled immigration is not a sign of being anti immigration.

otherwise......



https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/82513/e

and the policy is actually to reduce net migration to below 100,000.
[Post edited 6 Apr 2017 17:24]


While I agree with your point, UKIP were branded as 'racist' and 'anti-immigration' a few years ago when their policy was the same as the Tories position now.

You're right about Labour though. They stated in their recent manifesto that they want to control immigration, pretty much confirming they would have to leave the single market to do so.
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:06 - Jun 21 with 3519 viewsRocky

Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:57 - Jun 21 by blue_oyster

The Tories have no interest in grammar schools. They only pretend.


Another "pearl" of obfuscation from Blue Oyster
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:07 - Jun 21 with 3514 viewsblue_oyster

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:06 - Jun 21 by Rocky

Another "pearl" of obfuscation from Blue Oyster


Another blindingly obvious fact, you mean?

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:08 - Jun 21 with 3512 viewsSwansea_Blue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 14:57 - Jun 21 by blue_oyster

The Tories have no interest in grammar schools. They only pretend.


Free school meals not going to be scrapped either.
And therefore most of the funding increase promised won't be delivered (even though it wasn't a net increase, just a juggling between budget lines)

Is there anything in the manifesto that they plan to go ahead with? Or was it designed with a shelf life of 6 weeks?

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Another 'Kipper' quits on 19:19 - Jun 21 with 3439 viewsHARRY10

Another 'Kipper' quits on 15:08 - Jun 21 by Swansea_Blue

Free school meals not going to be scrapped either.
And therefore most of the funding increase promised won't be delivered (even though it wasn't a net increase, just a juggling between budget lines)

Is there anything in the manifesto that they plan to go ahead with? Or was it designed with a shelf life of 6 weeks?


Odd how the Tory voters on here are not complaining that much of waht they voted for is now not going to happen

Though I suspect some was merely put in as a bargaining chip to be thrown away if there was a coalition, and they had no intention of following them up.
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Another 'Kipper' quits on 20:52 - Jun 21 with 3393 viewsSwansea_Blue

Another 'Kipper' quits on 19:19 - Jun 21 by HARRY10

Odd how the Tory voters on here are not complaining that much of waht they voted for is now not going to happen

Though I suspect some was merely put in as a bargaining chip to be thrown away if there was a coalition, and they had no intention of following them up.


It all seems very strange to me. Several key pledges have either been dropped during the campaign or since, and that includes a different approach to Brexit from the hard line promised.

Is it just poor judgement from the Tories, or clever because they effectively castrate the people who initially opposed these things. But if the latter, how do they keep their core voters happy; those who presumably wanted what was in the manifesto? I can't work them out at all. Either they're farkin useless or superbly devious.

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