| Phil, regarding the wages... 10:56 - May 16 with 3998 views | ITFCBlues |
We can pay thus summer, I read somewhere that said if the owners injected cash sums then that's included within the turnover? |  |
| |  |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 with 3247 views | PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
 Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22.  10
|  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 with 3212 views | Oldboy |
Exactly.Follow Man City's example. |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:00 - May 16 with 3197 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22. 10
|
So its 60% of turnover isn't it? Anyone good at maths and could make a rough guess on what we could spend  |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:03 - May 16 with 3159 views | WD19 |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22. 10
|
So they won’t inject cash, but they might buy 20k tickets and give them away.... |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:04 - May 16 with 3146 views | ITFCBlues |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22. 10
|
How can we expect to bring in championship players without doing that. Maybe just a smoke screen? | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:12 - May 16 with 3062 views | franz_tyson |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:04 - May 16 by ITFCBlues |
How can we expect to bring in championship players without doing that. Maybe just a smoke screen? |
Player sales as well to boost the revenue and budget. |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:15 - May 16 with 3030 views | jayessess |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:00 - May 16 by abracaDOBRA_ |
So its 60% of turnover isn't it? Anyone good at maths and could make a rough guess on what we could spend |
We don't know what a full normal year of revenues looks like in League One, but my guess is that they'd be comparable to Portsmouth's in 2018/19 (average attendance 18,223, as compared to our 2019/20 average of 19,549).
Their revenue that year was £8.9m (£4.6m gate receipts, £2.1m TV, £2.2m commercial revenue). 60% of that is £5.34m per year or £103,000 a week. Which wouldn't stretch to very many Sonny Bradleys, I would imagine. |  |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:19 - May 16 with 2979 views | LeoMuff |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:15 - May 16 by jayessess |
We don't know what a full normal year of revenues looks like in League One, but my guess is that they'd be comparable to Portsmouth's in 2018/19 (average attendance 18,223, as compared to our 2019/20 average of 19,549).
Their revenue that year was £8.9m (£4.6m gate receipts, £2.1m TV, £2.2m commercial revenue). 60% of that is £5.34m per year or £103,000 a week. Which wouldn't stretch to very many Sonny Bradleys, I would imagine. |
Could be some ways around it eg player bonus on promotion ? Club buying tickets or maybe around sponsorship?
Or we just ignore like everyone else does |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:21 - May 16 with 2965 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:19 - May 16 by LeoMuff |
Could be some ways around it eg player bonus on promotion ? Club buying tickets or maybe around sponsorship?
Or we just ignore like everyone else does |
I think I read that singing on bonuses don't count towards it? Something like that but if true then sure that's a way around it
Either way, there are various loopholes and im sure someone as experienced as Ashton will know a few | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:22 - May 16 with 2942 views | ITFCBlues |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:15 - May 16 by jayessess |
We don't know what a full normal year of revenues looks like in League One, but my guess is that they'd be comparable to Portsmouth's in 2018/19 (average attendance 18,223, as compared to our 2019/20 average of 19,549).
Their revenue that year was £8.9m (£4.6m gate receipts, £2.1m TV, £2.2m commercial revenue). 60% of that is £5.34m per year or £103,000 a week. Which wouldn't stretch to very many Sonny Bradleys, I would imagine. |
Exactly. Which is why I believe they will pump some money in. They're not just going to come out and say we're pumping in millions as that'd put the prices up on wages and fees. | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:24 - May 16 with 2933 views | XYZ |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:03 - May 16 by WD19 |
So they won’t inject cash, but they might buy 20k tickets and give them away.... |
Voluntarily hand over VAT to HMRC?
I think Detmar "mis-spoke" when speaking to Phil - they said at the time of the takeover that our/ my 12.5% would get diluted by new equity (no income tax; no vat). | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:30 - May 16 with 2862 views | Parky |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22. 10
|
Phil, do you have any indication on the amount that Ed Sheeran ‘donated’ with his sponsorship? - I’m sure I read that, that money will also help our allowed spend. | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:33 - May 16 with 2832 views | jayessess |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:21 - May 16 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I think I read that singing on bonuses don't count towards it? Something like that but if true then sure that's a way around it
Either way, there are various loopholes and im sure someone as experienced as Ashton will know a few |
The "salary costs" figure includes salaries, bonuses, signing-on fees, agents’ fees and image rights fees due during the reporting period.
It's based on financial projections, but I've never seen any detail on how they deal with performance bonuses.
Another key is that the punishments aren't very onerous. If you're on course to exceed the cap the EFL imposes a transfer embargo, which, if you've already got your players in isn't much of a bother really. | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:35 - May 16 with 2802 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:24 - May 16 by XYZ |
Voluntarily hand over VAT to HMRC?
I think Detmar "mis-spoke" when speaking to Phil - they said at the time of the takeover that our/ my 12.5% would get diluted by new equity (no income tax; no vat). |
They actually said this would happen at sometime in the future.
My assumption was this would be when they strengthened the side to bring it up to Chsmpionship standard and push in for the top flight. |  |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:42 - May 16 with 2745 views | XYZ |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:35 - May 16 by Pinewoodblue |
They actually said this would happen at sometime in the future.
My assumption was this would be when they strengthened the side to bring it up to Chsmpionship standard and push in for the top flight. |
"Sometime" - that includes now. It's the sensible way and absolutely nothing to fear.
A few might get upset because the funds will go in at a valuation way below what we paid back in the day ... that upset should be directed at Sheepie whose valuation at the time was way over the top. | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:46 - May 16 with 2698 views | GiroJim |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:04 - May 16 by ITFCBlues |
How can we expect to bring in championship players without doing that. Maybe just a smoke screen? |
Exactly. How can we bring in these so called Championship players with the turn over we will have ? We just wont have the money to do it. Something has to be in place or we are just shopping in the bargain basement again ?. |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:54 - May 16 with 2660 views | stopmoaning |
I’m sure Brett Johnson mentioned injecting cash which would mean it’s okay?? |  | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:40 - May 16 with 2440 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 10:59 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Mark Detmer suggested they weren't going down those sorts of routes to get round the SCMP. Club has also made a lot about the importance of ticket sales.
Detmer: Ticket Sales Are Very Important 13th May 2021 17:26Co-owner Mark Detmer has stressed the importance of ticket sales to the club with the Blues impacted by League One’s Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) to a greater extent in 2021/22. 10
|
To be fair, with our income we should have one of the biggest budgets anyway. We should build organically. |  |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:45 - May 16 with 2419 views | LeoMuff |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:40 - May 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
To be fair, with our income we should have one of the biggest budgets anyway. We should build organically. |
We should but how do we afford these championship standard players that seem rumoured as other have pointed out ? As 60% turnover will nowhere near cut it.
I personally agree we should buy the best of league 1 and any champ offcasts that suit and build within budget as best as possible. The splurges to be saved for the 21/22 championship season 🤞 | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:50 - May 16 with 2359 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I think the players are going to be paid partly in cash and partly in cheese as dairy products don't count towards the wage cap. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:52 - May 16 with 2330 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:45 - May 16 by LeoMuff |
We should but how do we afford these championship standard players that seem rumoured as other have pointed out ? As 60% turnover will nowhere near cut it.
I personally agree we should buy the best of league 1 and any champ offcasts that suit and build within budget as best as possible. The splurges to be saved for the 21/22 championship season 🤞 |
We'll just have to see what is speculation and what isn't. | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 13:29 - May 16 with 2133 views | deano85 |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 11:19 - May 16 by LeoMuff |
Could be some ways around it eg player bonus on promotion ? Club buying tickets or maybe around sponsorship?
Or we just ignore like everyone else does |
I saw the other day that Phenix Risings FB page had a 'injury table' post
... Of cause, it was sponsored by a company.. Lol | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 13:40 - May 16 with 2080 views | PhilTWTD |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 12:52 - May 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We'll just have to see what is speculation and what isn't. |
Championship players are what are being targeted, for the most part anyway. PC wants a much smaller squad, 18-20 players I think, so that may help on the wages front. | | | |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 13:50 - May 16 with 1996 views | ITFCBlues |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 13:40 - May 16 by PhilTWTD |
Championship players are what are being targeted, for the most part anyway. PC wants a much smaller squad, 18-20 players I think, so that may help on the wages front. |
But if the figures posted further up are correct, that'd be just over 100k a week... Not going to get alot of championship players for that! Think we need to take what's been said by no cash injections with pinch of salt? | |
| |
| Phil, regarding the wages... on 14:09 - May 16 with 1899 views | titanicclown |
On an independent website that explains SCMP it states:
'However the Football League use a broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity.'
And
'In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions' |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
