| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:33 - Dec 30 with 2596 views | Eireannach_gorm |
As the war in Ukraine slips under the radar, Putin presses home his advantage.
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:49 - Dec 30 with 2561 views | DJR |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:33 - Dec 30 by Eireannach_gorm |
As the war in Ukraine slips under the radar, Putin presses home his advantage.
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It has certainly raised the war above the radar, and may well have the effect of encouraging Congress to reach some sort of deal on military aid to Ukraine. |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:54 - Dec 30 with 2544 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:33 - Dec 30 by Eireannach_gorm |
As the war in Ukraine slips under the radar, Putin presses home his advantage.
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I think that was a Putin hissy fit after Ukraine sunk his ship full of drone parts. |  | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:18 - Dec 30 with 2475 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:54 - Dec 30 by redrickstuhaart |
I think that was a Putin hissy fit after Ukraine sunk his ship full of drone parts. |
Will there come a point at which Putin realises this is just a complete waste of money for no actual gain? Can he quietly cease the conflict without losing face? |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:47 - Dec 30 with 2418 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:18 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Will there come a point at which Putin realises this is just a complete waste of money for no actual gain? Can he quietly cease the conflict without losing face? |
You would think only by annexing Lukanskh, Donbas, and Crimea which he could ‘sell’ back home as liberating the ethnic Russians from the ’far right’ Ukrainians. Sounds bonkers when you read it back but that’s the narrative he’s pushed so far.
Slava Ukraini | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:45 - Dec 30 with 2394 views | matteoblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:18 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Will there come a point at which Putin realises this is just a complete waste of money for no actual gain? Can he quietly cease the conflict without losing face? |
The US could end this war tomorrow. Sadly, they've been attempting to prolong it, ever since Ukraine and Russia threatened a peace deal last year. |  |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:52 - Dec 30 with 2377 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:45 - Dec 30 by matteoblue |
The US could end this war tomorrow. Sadly, they've been attempting to prolong it, ever since Ukraine and Russia threatened a peace deal last year. |
What utter nonsense. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 22:50 - Dec 30 with 2350 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:45 - Dec 30 by matteoblue |
The US could end this war tomorrow. Sadly, they've been attempting to prolong it, ever since Ukraine and Russia threatened a peace deal last year. |
I think you need to lay off Russia Today mate… | | | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:42 - Dec 31 with 2234 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 21:45 - Dec 30 by matteoblue |
The US could end this war tomorrow. Sadly, they've been attempting to prolong it, ever since Ukraine and Russia threatened a peace deal last year. |
As a matter of interest would you prefer they ended it by withdrawing all support and allowing Russia to march their way in or would you prefer them to supply air cover for a no-fly zone? Just curious which extreme you are pushing there. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 09:22 - Jan 1 with 2151 views | matteoblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 20:42 - Dec 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As a matter of interest would you prefer they ended it by withdrawing all support and allowing Russia to march their way in or would you prefer them to supply air cover for a no-fly zone? Just curious which extreme you are pushing there. |
Odd question. Russia have wanted a deal for a long time that gave Ukraine neutrality, and the longer the US continues to prolong the war, the worse it will for Ukraine. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:50 - Jan 1 with 2113 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 09:22 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
Odd question. Russia have wanted a deal for a long time that gave Ukraine neutrality, and the longer the US continues to prolong the war, the worse it will for Ukraine. |
How’s that Putin Koolaid taste?
The US is not prolonging the war, only Ukraine can decide whether they want to continue. The US and allies are offering military aid, they have no say in whether the Ukrainian army continues to fight. I’m not surprised you’ve not brought forward any evidence for Russia offering peace at terms which are acceptable to the Ukrainian people. Russia are the ones who could end the war tomorrow, you seem confused.
Edit - to add neutrality is not a viable deal for Ukraine, Russia would rebuild its forces for another invasion without Wrstern backing. NATO is a strawman, Putin is an imperialist who’s attacked non-NATO aligned Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine (and all bit annexed Belarus). I think your knowledge of geopolitics seems to be somewhat lacking. [Post edited 1 Jan 10:58]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:51 - Jan 1 with 2109 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 09:22 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
Odd question. Russia have wanted a deal for a long time that gave Ukraine neutrality, and the longer the US continues to prolong the war, the worse it will for Ukraine. |
You appear to have maintained your bizarre position, whilst mysteriously completely avoiding the challenges made.
How are the US prolonging the war? Be specific. [Post edited 1 Jan 10:55]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:16 - Jan 1 with 2040 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 09:22 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
Odd question. Russia have wanted a deal for a long time that gave Ukraine neutrality, and the longer the US continues to prolong the war, the worse it will for Ukraine. |
When you say a deal that gives Ukraine neutrality, what do you think you mean by that as it clearly isn't a democratically elected government run by Zelinsky? Is it a puppet government along the lines of Belarus? Why should Ukraine be forced to become a Russian puppet-state?
If Russia genuinely wants a neutral Ukraine, why have they invaded it? | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:55 - Jan 1 with 2016 views | matteoblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:50 - Jan 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
How’s that Putin Koolaid taste?
The US is not prolonging the war, only Ukraine can decide whether they want to continue. The US and allies are offering military aid, they have no say in whether the Ukrainian army continues to fight. I’m not surprised you’ve not brought forward any evidence for Russia offering peace at terms which are acceptable to the Ukrainian people. Russia are the ones who could end the war tomorrow, you seem confused.
Edit - to add neutrality is not a viable deal for Ukraine, Russia would rebuild its forces for another invasion without Wrstern backing. NATO is a strawman, Putin is an imperialist who’s attacked non-NATO aligned Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine (and all bit annexed Belarus). I think your knowledge of geopolitics seems to be somewhat lacking. [Post edited 1 Jan 10:58]
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I'm afraid Ukraine have next to no say in this war. This war is being dictated by the US and Russia. The US could end it tomorrow by withdrawing support, the same way that Israel would be wiped out without US support. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:04 - Jan 1 with 2002 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:55 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
I'm afraid Ukraine have next to no say in this war. This war is being dictated by the US and Russia. The US could end it tomorrow by withdrawing support, the same way that Israel would be wiped out without US support. |
So no proof then?
Of course Ukraine do. Their soldiers could down tools tomorrow if they’ve had enough.
You are also incorrect on Israel - they aren’t even in the top 10 arms purchasers from the US. Much of their high tech weaponry is Israeli made with a few imported components and chips. They also source weapons from Russia and other markets. Not to mention the fact they are nuclear armed. Geopolitics is a major part of my paid work, it’s clear you don’t have any idea what you are talking about. | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 13:24 - Jan 1 with 1964 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:55 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
I'm afraid Ukraine have next to no say in this war. This war is being dictated by the US and Russia. The US could end it tomorrow by withdrawing support, the same way that Israel would be wiped out without US support. |
By your own logic, Ukraine could simply surrender too.
Russia could simply withdraw as well. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:28 - Jan 1 with 1912 views | matteoblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 10:51 - Jan 1 by redrickstuhaart |
You appear to have maintained your bizarre position, whilst mysteriously completely avoiding the challenges made.
How are the US prolonging the war? Be specific. [Post edited 1 Jan 10:55]
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So the question gave two scenarios:
1) Withdrawing support 'and let Russia march all the way in'
2) Supply cover for a 'no-fly zone'.
The most likely scenario for this war, which has been at a stalemate ever since the failed march on Kiev in 2022, is for a peace deal. It is now almost beyond doubt from multiple sources that Ukraine and Russia had the making of a peace deal in place in 2022. This was scuppered by the West, in particular Boris Johnson declaring 'let's just fight'. But it is the only way that will war will end. The sooner the better, of course, but it's interesting how many people detest this peace scenario. They want more war. [Post edited 1 Jan 19:15]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:32 - Jan 1 with 1900 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 12:55 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
I'm afraid Ukraine have next to no say in this war. This war is being dictated by the US and Russia. The US could end it tomorrow by withdrawing support, the same way that Israel would be wiped out without US support. |
They wouldnt end it that way, but they would almost certainly create a long term situation where complete invasion succeeds and the people of Ukraine are occupied. You think thats a good solution? | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:35 - Jan 1 with 1875 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:28 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
So the question gave two scenarios:
1) Withdrawing support 'and let Russia march all the way in'
2) Supply cover for a 'no-fly zone'.
The most likely scenario for this war, which has been at a stalemate ever since the failed march on Kiev in 2022, is for a peace deal. It is now almost beyond doubt from multiple sources that Ukraine and Russia had the making of a peace deal in place in 2022. This was scuppered by the West, in particular Boris Johnson declaring 'let's just fight'. But it is the only way that will war will end. The sooner the better, of course, but it's interesting how many people detest this peace scenario. They want more war. [Post edited 1 Jan 19:15]
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What was the deal and what sources. You are making this up.... | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:18 - Jan 1 with 1809 views | matteoblue |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:32 - Jan 1 by redrickstuhaart |
They wouldnt end it that way, but they would almost certainly create a long term situation where complete invasion succeeds and the people of Ukraine are occupied. You think thats a good solution? |
But Russia did not succeed. Their invasion of Kiev completely failed, they have lost many more lives than they expected, they have exposed their army to be much weaker than thought and have run up extremely large deficits. A peace solution does not include the occupation of Ukraine, but independence from both the US and Russia. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:26 - Jan 1 with 1794 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 19:18 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
But Russia did not succeed. Their invasion of Kiev completely failed, they have lost many more lives than they expected, they have exposed their army to be much weaker than thought and have run up extremely large deficits. A peace solution does not include the occupation of Ukraine, but independence from both the US and Russia. |
Russia are not interested in withdrawing,. They could end the war tomorrow by doing so. They would of course be interested in freezing the current situation- thats a win for them, which allows them to restock and retrain ready to push again.
Now what are these sources and what was the oven ready deal..... [Post edited 1 Jan 19:37]
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 17:09 - Jan 4 with 1583 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 14:28 - Jan 1 by matteoblue |
So the question gave two scenarios:
1) Withdrawing support 'and let Russia march all the way in'
2) Supply cover for a 'no-fly zone'.
The most likely scenario for this war, which has been at a stalemate ever since the failed march on Kiev in 2022, is for a peace deal. It is now almost beyond doubt from multiple sources that Ukraine and Russia had the making of a peace deal in place in 2022. This was scuppered by the West, in particular Boris Johnson declaring 'let's just fight'. But it is the only way that will war will end. The sooner the better, of course, but it's interesting how many people detest this peace scenario. They want more war. [Post edited 1 Jan 19:15]
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Putin does not want peace, he wants Ukraine.
Here is a bit of reading material which might help you to understand the dynamics of this conflict.
https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/The%20High%20Price%20of%20L | | | |
| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 08:47 - Jan 5 with 1513 views | matteoblue |
Thank you for the opinion from the US, who have wanted Ukraine under their control ever since they started funding it, in 1991. | |
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| The 'special military operation' continues to reach new lows. on 09:10 - Jan 5 with 1486 views | DJR |
Putin may want Ukraine, and Ukraine may want Russia off its territory, but it is not clear to me that either goal is achievable. That being the case, and to avoid more unnecessary killing and suffering, the rational solution would be peace based on the current borders, which admittedly involves an increase in the area controlled by Russia but is far better than looked like might be the case in the first few months of the conflict.
It doesn't strike me that this is going to happen, but all I can see is a repeat of the futility of the Iran-Iraq war which stretched on for 8 years, with no real victory and 1-2 million casualties. | | | |
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