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Well, deregulation is a great way of facilitating cuts. If you don’t care about things like environmental standards, you can cut for example the Environment Agency budget between 2014 and 2021 by two thirds and counting. Massive cost savings, an election winner.
You could argue that filling rivers with harmful pesticides doesn’t matter as you’re already killing them with raw sewage. Doesn’t matter. It’s not so much lowering standards removing them. A free for all. The government call it getting rid of red tape. I call it vandalism and economic suicide on a national scale.
Never mind everything else, the scum responsible should be thrown out for this alone.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 08:25 - Sep 13 with 1858 views
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 08:25 - Sep 13 by bluelagos
Divergence from EU regs was one of the trumpeted brexit benefits.
In this case we risk the EU at some point refusing to allow imports of food that they feel carries a risk of xyz.
Divergence sounds good to the red faced bloke down the pub, not so good in the real world where shared standards make trading easier.
That's certainly true. But when it comes to, say, car manufacturing divergence is illusory because if we want to sell our cars to the EU, we will have to carry on complying with EU emissions standards, whilst having no say over them.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 08:30 - Sep 13 with 1827 views
Indeed a good example of that is financial services where we tend to have higher capital requirements than the EU mandates. I’m sure that would have been first in the shredder had Truss lasted longer than an iceberg though…
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 10:34 - Sep 13 with 1695 views
It should have beggared believe that anyone was thuck enough to sallow that nonsnense " we wants higher standards and them there EUSSR are banning it"
And the idea that diverging from these agreed standards would somehow lead to a 16th century style trading boom, with English sailing ships bringing back spices and silk while plundering the Spanish Main, was absurd as it was a fairy tale. Asnow seen by the reality that of the 72 new deals signed only three are notunder EU schedules. The others leave the UK with a worse deal than before.
It would be if Town believed that by leaving the football league they could sign up to games with other clubs under different rules to those previously agreed with FIFA. An 80 minute game with 9 men against Real Madrid. Yep, that's going to happen.
The reality is as stated in Orwells Animal Farm the sheep (brexit thickos )merely bleating out what they were told by their 'betters' "project fear, master knows best, thems our betters".
Those behind brexit wanted to increase their 'take' by reducing stuff that costs money. Clean beaches, rivers, air. Safety standards at work. Safer food etc. Under the delusion that they could peddle stuff made under those lower standards and the rest of the world would lower their standards and so increase UK trade. A reasoned argument, if you do not allow reality to come into it. Or ask why so many other EU countries are thriving without needing to pursue this line of lunacy.
Of course it was never going to work, though a few nutjobs (Truss) still spout this vacuous tosh. Meanwhile this dangerous thinking is further adding to the ills of the country. Cut the cost with no care for the consequent harm caused is still the mantra
As someone who works in a worldwide business, in terms of waste and environmental damage, there are countries within the Eurozone, and business operating within that area who pay very little attention to the rules. I would say generally speaking the UK has been far more observant to environmental impact and damage than most countries, inside or outside of the EU, not saying we should slack off, or that we cannot do better, but to use the EU area as a benchmark in this regard is not exactly correct.
As ever, if you don't report what you are up to, who's going to know right?
We actually had people on here making the argument that divergence would allow them to increase standards (and for human rights too). There are some frighteningly naive people out there.
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 13:23 - Sep 13 by Swansea_Blue
We actually had people on here making the argument that divergence would allow them to increase standards (and for human rights too). There are some frighteningly naive people out there.
The roblem is in when it is spelt out in language that a 4 year old could understand there are still cranks like Truss who for some bizarre reason still cling to what is obviously one huge con.
Those originall peddling this lie have long since stopped push-ing it, as it has achieved what they wanted.... brexit. The new lie is that they were not allowed to bring in the brexit they wanted, because of err, .....some lefty government, or umm.... no majority in Parliament...... or, I know. Wokists putting bad spells on everything, as witches they did in the Middle Ages.
Yes, that is it. Trade deals were cursed by wokists. The falling pound, damned by wokecraft.
Whereas Brexit has been a massive failure. Not as predicted, but as was known. Lowering standards has not led to increased exports. And with the brexit regulation actually, huge extra costs.
So what are we keft with ? Cuts to standards has merely meant raw sewage being dumped. Crumbling concrete going undetected/untreated. Where have any of these cuts* benefited the country. Anyone unsure about the level of lunacy still clinging to this nonsense
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 13:23 - Sep 13 by Swansea_Blue
We actually had people on here making the argument that divergence would allow them to increase standards (and for human rights too). There are some frighteningly naive people out there.
As I've said before, not everybody who voted 'leave was racist and easily conned, some were just easily conned.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
" A Defra spokesperson said: “Very strict regulation only permits the sale and use of pesticides where scientific assessment clearly shows they will not harm people or pose unacceptable risks to the environment."
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"More widely, the Health and Safety Executive is developing a programme to review our pesticide approvals and can take action to review approval at any time if they identify serious concerns.”
So are we to assume the previous approvals need reviewing ?
Why ?
Unless the composition of these pesticides has changed they should still be safe. I understand there is a need for constant review, but this is not what is being talked of.
The thought is the UK will 'diverge' to a lower standard whereby these pesticides will then pass as 'safe'. Of course the fear has to be, not only of the long term damage to public health, the environment but of exports of UK foodstuffs. We know the EU will act to protect it's citizens. The mad cow disease and foot and mouth outbreaks demonstrated this.
This rancid government is playing fast and loose with our safety, for what ? To screw a bit more for the wealthy by cutting safety costs.
Still ,as the cap dioffers trell us 'master knows best' and master will share out these financiul gains ....... we just jave to wait. Fifty years was the thought of the stick insect.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:27 - Sep 13 with 1505 views
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 17:22 - Sep 13 with 1473 views
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:57 - Sep 13 by HotShotHamish
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:57 - Sep 13 by HotShotHamish
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
Uncomfortable facts for cap doffers are dismissed because of where they are printed. Should we therefore disbelieve Towns results if they are printed in the EDP ?
As someone who we have to believe has done more research perhaps the thought ius that we could be told of these facts that contradict the reports.
Nobody has claimed divergence automatically means standards have dopped. That is just you making up stuff, yet again. What has been reported and discussed is where standards in this particular area hav dropped.
And I doubt most have missed the ironuy of you bleating about opinionated article, which carries the facts when your nonsense is totally fact free - despite advising us to do our research.
So off you go, tell us all where the newspaer acrticle is factually inaccurate. A link to your source would be helpful. If onky to ass some smidgeomn of credibility
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 18:19 - Sep 13 with 1419 views
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:57 - Sep 13 by HotShotHamish
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
Are you going to suggest that we were allowed to dump the same amount of sewage in our rivers that we used to before joining the EU and are doing so again since leaving but simply chose not to while in it? Or do you think that only comes from one biased source?
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:57 - Sep 13 by HotShotHamish
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
There has been well over a decade of high profile academic study of the impacts of neonicotinoids (one of the main groups of pesticides mentioned in the article). Are you seriously questioning that work and expertise just because you don’t like the Guardian’s bias? Yes, it’s implicitly critical by giving PAN a platform to challenge the govt position, and yes it was mostly (but not always) anti-Brexit, but which parts of that article are fundamentally not factual?
Actually, looking at their posting history, looks like one of those forum stalkers with a brief to follow. No threads started, no replies on football matters, all replies seem to be either dismissing environmental concerns, or have a right wing political angle.
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I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 19:08 - Sep 13 by Dubtractor
Stop spoiling their argument with facts.
Actually, looking at their posting history, looks like one of those forum stalkers with a brief to follow. No threads started, no replies on football matters, all replies seem to be either dismissing environmental concerns, or have a right wing political angle.
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I expect the poor thing posts as a number of other posters. Uses thus one to dfened his betters when naughty fun not only highlight the lies and the damage they do, but also poke fun at .
Refered to by stand ups as a 'hit and run'. Shouts out something then hides. Usually some social inadequate. The name tells you how he would like to be seen as. Probably called Trevor or Colin and still lives at home with his mum.
The type seen marching here
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 21:13 - Sep 13 with 1283 views
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 16:57 - Sep 13 by HotShotHamish
Perhaps you need to do more research on the subject, rather than relying on one source. A source that clearly has a paticular bias against anything done as a result of Brexit.
A divergence does not automatically mean the standards have dropped, which was the promise. If you could point to a scientific study that proved your point, rahter than an opinionated article then perhaps you post would carry more weight.
As I said above, the article is based on the following from the Pesticide Action Network UK.
As the names suggests, they are an organisation set up to oppose pesticides, not Brexit. And they are a member of the Pesticide Action Network, an international coalition of around 600 NGOs, citizens' groups and individuals in about 60 countries which opposes pesticide use, and advocates what it proposes as more ecologically sound alternatives. And it was formed in 1982 which is many years before Brexit.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 21:17 - Sep 13 with 1261 views
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 21:17 - Sep 13 by BanksterDebtSlave
What you all worrying about? Starmer’s gonna fix it.
Isn't that a big part of the problem that no legitimate opposition where we are really exists? What percentage of the population (or even just the electorate) know Brexit is an utter disaster? But no one is going to do anything to correct it. Instead we have a choice between utter disaster and corruption on steroids or lesser disaster without any certainty of corruption.
Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 21:31 - Sep 13 by Nthsuffolkblue
Isn't that a big part of the problem that no legitimate opposition where we are really exists? What percentage of the population (or even just the electorate) know Brexit is an utter disaster? But no one is going to do anything to correct it. Instead we have a choice between utter disaster and corruption on steroids or lesser disaster without any certainty of corruption.
eh ?
You can't have been watching too closely. The move back into the EU started way back. In the UK with the ever increasing nunber of work permits, the deal over the Irish protocal, and the almost abandonment of import controls - pushed back 5 times now. UK has re-joined the Horizon ptogramme, meeting the costs of it as well.
And yesterday "a UK government spokeswoman insisted that No 10 remains “open to working with the EU to take forward negotiations on a UK-EU returns deal".
I;ve said all along it will be a slow incremental move back into the EU. Not some lunatic referendim. Howeve, what folk on this side will have to be aware of is it will not be in the hands of the UK. And as it gets ever closer smaller EU countries will see ths as a maena sto get a better deal for themselves, if only a one off project.
"business leaders........... with many wanting it to go further and faster in addressing the damage caused by Brexit " 10/9/23
This is where the momentum is coming from. A snowball gathering speed and size. After the next election the bigots and their supporters (wha's left of them) will be swept away.
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Brexit definitely won't lead to a lowering of environmental standards pt2748 on 22:17 - Sep 13 with 1216 views
Poor Rishi. Leaping about like an over excited 3rd former at the dispatch box today as he gleefully squeaked about being to pollute rivers, by overturning an EU regulation protecting them.
"Ministers’ plans to weaken river pollution rules are in tatters after they suffered two defeats in the House of Lords, and because....... the Tories introduced this part at a late stage in the passage of the levelling up and regeneration bill it will return not to the Commons, leaving the government with its policy in disarray."
Still nevermind the Prime Miniature " blocked plans to rebuild five hospitals riddled with crumbling concrete three years ago, prompting warnings of a “catastrophic” risk to patient safety"
Some may recall just a week or so agaon this dimitive incompetent was denying he did anything of the kind. ''Not me, guv"
Not so much levelling up, but levelling, totally. Destroying the countries infrastructure as well as it's environment. A message to redwallers, brexiters and other sundry thickos
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