| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London 09:04 - Apr 21 with 17585 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:44 - Apr 21 with 1255 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:34 - Apr 21 by victorywilhappen |
APRIL 13 ????
That wasn't about this story (OP), was it? Why would you mix stories? For what purpose? [Post edited 21 Apr 16:37]
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The march in question was on 13 April - see date in this BBC News story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4n19j892neo
Gideon Falter, chief executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism, had been wearing a kippah skull-cap when he was stopped in the Aldwych area of London and threatened with arrest on 13 April. |  | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:54 - Apr 21 with 1206 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:18 - Apr 21 by Clapham_Junction |
Not sure it was quite as portrayed (and there was a counter-demonstration).
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Your link says that they were not part of any counter protest and that they did not go near it. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:00 - Apr 21 with 1175 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:44 - Apr 21 by Clapham_Junction |
The march in question was on 13 April - see date in this BBC News story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4n19j892neo
Gideon Falter, chief executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism, had been wearing a kippah skull-cap when he was stopped in the Aldwych area of London and threatened with arrest on 13 April. |
My mistake. As you were.
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:02 - Apr 21 with 1158 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:54 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Your link says that they were not part of any counter protest and that they did not go near it. |
I didn't say they were part of a counter protest – I was responding to lowhouse's claim that "there was no counter demonstration." | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:05 - Apr 21 with 1133 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:02 - Apr 21 by Clapham_Junction |
I didn't say they were part of a counter protest – I was responding to lowhouse's claim that "there was no counter demonstration." |
So Gideon Falter wasn't part of any counter protest, didn't go near any counter protest and was walking with friends from synagogue.
So exactly as was portrayed. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:11 - Apr 21 with 1108 views | mutters |
If we took religion out of it and said it was a Liverpool fan who was watching the game in a Man United end, would the official be right to move them for their own safety?
Or Celtic / Rangers? (OK that one is steeped in religion).
I don't think the Police can win here. Is the chap there to antagonise the crowd? He has every right to protest the protest but sometimes there is a bigger picture, and in such extreme times some difficult decisions have to be made. |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:19 - Apr 21 with 1060 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:05 - Apr 21 by GlasgowBlue |
So Gideon Falter wasn't part of any counter protest, didn't go near any counter protest and was walking with friends from synagogue.
So exactly as was portrayed. |
but BDS implied bordering on inferral he was the problem maker and just wanted to play the victim ...who to believe????? [Post edited 21 Apr 17:20]
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:33 - Apr 21 with 1015 views | BloomBlue |
The met commissioner should really think about resigning. The police officer used the expression 'openly Jewish' based purely on the individual wearing a kippah. The police officer has discriminated against them because of their clothing.
People would be 'up in arms', correctly, if a march was on and a muslim woman wearing a burka was told they couldn't walk down a road because they're 'openly muslim'. If a coloured man was walking near a right wing march and the police prevented them from walking down a street and said you cannot because you're 'openly black', again quite rightly people would be up in arms.
I'm sure if the individual wasn't wearing a kippah that policeman would have let them walk on without any comments. Nobody should be singled out and threatened with arrest because of what they're wearing or the colour of their skin. |  | | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:39 - Apr 21 with 989 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 12:47 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Anti Israel march."
Edit....looks like conflation may be second nature to him. [Post edited 21 Apr 12:48]
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It's a mystery to me why these are called anti Israel marches.
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:42 - Apr 21 with 975 views | Buhrer |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 12:05 - Apr 21 by ChorleyBoy |
You raise a good point. If women in short skirts were banned from going out at night, I, as a man would take offence at the assumption that as a man I am labeled as a potential or likely predator
If however I was banned from going out at night drinking with mates because of the potential danger to individual women wearing short skirts I would furious because my rights were being limited.
I also don't want to pay or live in a society which is policed or surveilled to a level where every single person is guaranteed personal safety irrespective of how they dress.
Like any right-thinking parent I have advised my kids of the potential implications of certain behaviours when going out at night.
I don't want to live a society which imposes a dress code on women or men and I don't want to live a society where my right to peaceful and respectful socialising is limited as a result of others not behaving appropriately. Nor do I want to pay for a police service that protects women choosing to wear short skirt way personally escorting them to and from town at night.
If we are stupid enough to test the freedoms we enjoy, one day we might find they are not there any more. |
If women in short skirts were banned from going out, I'd want the predators locked up, so women were safe.
If I had to be included in isolation from women along with predators, so women in short skirts were safe, I'd want the predators locked up, so women were safe.
If a man couldn't cross the road, because there was a mob threatening him. I'd want the mob locked up, and that man free to go on his legal way within our country.
In my country now, they'd rather threaten to lock the man up. Threats from the mob. Threats from the police. The reason for the threats from both: the man is Jewish. This is antisemitism. We stagger towards fascism. [Post edited 21 Apr 17:43]
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:42 - Apr 21 with 973 views | lowhouseblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:11 - Apr 21 by mutters |
If we took religion out of it and said it was a Liverpool fan who was watching the game in a Man United end, would the official be right to move them for their own safety?
Or Celtic / Rangers? (OK that one is steeped in religion).
I don't think the Police can win here. Is the chap there to antagonise the crowd? He has every right to protest the protest but sometimes there is a bigger picture, and in such extreme times some difficult decisions have to be made. |
why do you think a london jew during a pro-palestinian march is the equivalent of an opposition fan? are all jews automatically responsible for the actions of the israeli state? |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:47 - Apr 21 with 951 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:11 - Apr 21 by mutters |
If we took religion out of it and said it was a Liverpool fan who was watching the game in a Man United end, would the official be right to move them for their own safety?
Or Celtic / Rangers? (OK that one is steeped in religion).
I don't think the Police can win here. Is the chap there to antagonise the crowd? He has every right to protest the protest but sometimes there is a bigger picture, and in such extreme times some difficult decisions have to be made. |
So you suggest the police would escort him to safety not threaten to arrest this mythical fan?
The Police are at protests to uphold the law in a public space- without fear or favour. Being in the away end of private property at football would be a job for stewards or those instructed to run or being paid to operate security for the business- The mythical club you mention
The crime in real life was verbal abuse and threats and restriction of movement to the Jewish man in the street. It was a public place. A person's identity being used as a reason to stop them moving ( or the ID being attacked) is a hate crime and is punishable. The perpetrators are the Police and the protesters.
To suggest anything else leaves our daughters and any others who might fall victim to a mob of haters as up for being removed so the mob can rule. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:31 - Apr 21 with 847 views | mutters |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:47 - Apr 21 by victorywilhappen |
So you suggest the police would escort him to safety not threaten to arrest this mythical fan?
The Police are at protests to uphold the law in a public space- without fear or favour. Being in the away end of private property at football would be a job for stewards or those instructed to run or being paid to operate security for the business- The mythical club you mention
The crime in real life was verbal abuse and threats and restriction of movement to the Jewish man in the street. It was a public place. A person's identity being used as a reason to stop them moving ( or the ID being attacked) is a hate crime and is punishable. The perpetrators are the Police and the protesters.
To suggest anything else leaves our daughters and any others who might fall victim to a mob of haters as up for being removed so the mob can rule. |
Sorry you see it all the time.
Don't fans from rivals clubs get sheparded by the police to the train station to avoid trouble? They don't let opposing fans mix (well certain ones) because they wish to avoid trouble.
What if said fans said no I want to walk out of the police escort and mix with the rival fans? Would they let them or insist they get on the train? | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:39 - Apr 21 with 825 views | lowhouseblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:31 - Apr 21 by mutters |
Sorry you see it all the time.
Don't fans from rivals clubs get sheparded by the police to the train station to avoid trouble? They don't let opposing fans mix (well certain ones) because they wish to avoid trouble.
What if said fans said no I want to walk out of the police escort and mix with the rival fans? Would they let them or insist they get on the train? |
again, why are you equating a non-israeli with a 'rival fan'? do you really not understand the problem with that? | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:54 - Apr 21 with 776 views | mutters |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:39 - Apr 21 by lowhouseblue |
again, why are you equating a non-israeli with a 'rival fan'? do you really not understand the problem with that? |
Yet you didn't answer my question about what the police should do?
I know rival fans are not the same, it's a discussion around a potentially inflammatory situation. I don't condone the words or terminology used by the Met Police, it's shocking. No disagreement here
My discussion is around what should have the police done in this situation? Let the chap (and his security personal if other reposts are to be believed) wander into a Pro Palestine event and sit back and eat popcorn and watch the drama unfold or try and take preventive action?
How would you have handled this situation? | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:00 - Apr 21 with 752 views | eireblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:31 - Apr 21 by mutters |
Sorry you see it all the time.
Don't fans from rivals clubs get sheparded by the police to the train station to avoid trouble? They don't let opposing fans mix (well certain ones) because they wish to avoid trouble.
What if said fans said no I want to walk out of the police escort and mix with the rival fans? Would they let them or insist they get on the train? |
Is that because football fans are known to have groups within them that are just there for a fight.
Therefore the implication is that the protest has groups of people within it that are a threat to Jewish people.
Therefore, London isn’t safe for Jewish people during these events.
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:01 - Apr 21 with 750 views | lowhouseblue |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 18:54 - Apr 21 by mutters |
Yet you didn't answer my question about what the police should do?
I know rival fans are not the same, it's a discussion around a potentially inflammatory situation. I don't condone the words or terminology used by the Met Police, it's shocking. No disagreement here
My discussion is around what should have the police done in this situation? Let the chap (and his security personal if other reposts are to be believed) wander into a Pro Palestine event and sit back and eat popcorn and watch the drama unfold or try and take preventive action?
How would you have handled this situation? |
the police should enforce the law and arrest anyone on the march who is inciting racial hatred. they should have been doing this for months and not turning a blind eye. someone who is prevented form crossing the street because of his religion is the victim here and stopping him is an admission of the met's failure. | |
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| It's certainly borderline "something".... on 19:03 - Apr 21 with 742 views | Bloots |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 13:49 - Apr 21 by Ryorry |
I’m genuinely gobsmacked at the amount of wriggling you and another avowed socialist are engaging in, in order to avoid supporting an oppressed minority group and support a large group openly shouting racist abuse at them.
Can only assume it’s political and entrenched. What a shame. |
....not sure I'd call it "political".
But yes, it appears to be entrenched. |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:07 - Apr 21 with 718 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:27 - Apr 21 by victorywilhappen |
Not sure how many conspiracy theories one poster can create.
The marches have changed their titles often since Oct 7. But the general celebrations/protests have all been anti-Israel and in some cases anti-Jewish.
I wonder if BDS or LB would argue the same argument if the marchers were "Free the hostages' or the singular other threatened with arrest was a black woman with a Palestinian t-shirt on? Would they say she was asking for it?
If these poster's agenda is not sinister it is in the least offensive and one-eyed.it is designed to wound not help or have empathy ( That empathy that they seem to falsely claim to have in buckets for those they deem needy enough- but not the others) |
What a load of bollox tbh and why would anybody counter a free the hostages demo in any case? |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:09 - Apr 21 with 699 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:12 - Apr 21 by eireblue |
“ We would need to witness the whole incident to be able to form a judgement.”
Banksy then goes on to form a judgement, that excuses some, and blames the Jewish man being threatened.
I think I will leave it there. |
Again....utter bollox.
I'll leave it there. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:10 - Apr 21 with 701 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:07 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What a load of bollox tbh and why would anybody counter a free the hostages demo in any case? |
Explain the b-ll-x. And your position. | | | |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:30 - Apr 21 with 619 views | BlueBoots |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 17:33 - Apr 21 by BloomBlue |
The met commissioner should really think about resigning. The police officer used the expression 'openly Jewish' based purely on the individual wearing a kippah. The police officer has discriminated against them because of their clothing.
People would be 'up in arms', correctly, if a march was on and a muslim woman wearing a burka was told they couldn't walk down a road because they're 'openly muslim'. If a coloured man was walking near a right wing march and the police prevented them from walking down a street and said you cannot because you're 'openly black', again quite rightly people would be up in arms.
I'm sure if the individual wasn't wearing a kippah that policeman would have let them walk on without any comments. Nobody should be singled out and threatened with arrest because of what they're wearing or the colour of their skin. |
"coloured man"?
Mate...the 1970's are on the phone; they want their terminology back... |  |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:31 - Apr 21 with 604 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 14:30 - Apr 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Since when have you thought those in positions of power (police) must be exercising their power appropriately, because they are in a position of power?
We should assume someone is acting inappropriately because they are an "openly Jewish man"?
Dressing your statement up with softeners like "may be fair", "might have been", and "might get" makes your statement worse, not better, as it suggests you know and are hiding the core judgement. |
My experience would be that the police rarely do that and especially on demonstrations.
If any openly Jewish man was being insulted at this demo for crossing a road I would expect the police to protect him and attempt to detain the culprits. In the only video I have seen it goes from him being asked to wait to then being threatened with arrest for staying so I have no idea what happened in between. You might have thought though that being the head of this campaign group he might have been more interested in staying than leaving as he initially is heard to claim.
I am also reliably informed that very many people wearing kippahs at this demo were able to do so without incident so he must have just been very unlucky to get so much attention from plod. | |
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:33 - Apr 21 with 580 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 16:18 - Apr 21 by Clapham_Junction |
Not sure it was quite as portrayed (and there was a counter-demonstration).
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| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:35 - Apr 21 with 574 views | victorywilhappen |
| Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London on 19:31 - Apr 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
My experience would be that the police rarely do that and especially on demonstrations.
If any openly Jewish man was being insulted at this demo for crossing a road I would expect the police to protect him and attempt to detain the culprits. In the only video I have seen it goes from him being asked to wait to then being threatened with arrest for staying so I have no idea what happened in between. You might have thought though that being the head of this campaign group he might have been more interested in staying than leaving as he initially is heard to claim.
I am also reliably informed that very many people wearing kippahs at this demo were able to do so without incident so he must have just been very unlucky to get so much attention from plod. |
'I am also reliably informed that very many people wearing kippahs at this demo were able to do so without incident so he must have just been very unlucky to get so much attention from plod' - No reference- another conspiracy story? [Post edited 21 Apr 19:36]
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