| Kieran McKenna 08:27 - Oct 23 with 4605 views | ArnieM |
I really, really do want this man to succeed at Town. He's a thoroughly decent guy, and a very good coach all said and done. But his achilles heel is his reluctance to deviate from what he firmly believes is the " right way ". If only he would mix things up a bit from his current approach. Its not a weakness to admit to yourself that something isn't working, and to try something different. It shows personal and professional development. Yet for the life of me I cant fathom why he's not done it, when you consider his reputation within the game of being fanatically detailed in his preparations and a deep thinker about the game.
I'd suggest he needs a different, ( more experienced?) Deputy alongside him, but I doubt he'd accept that, and would probably view it as a slight on his own skill sets, but I think it could help. It won't happen i know.
The problem is at some point the owners are going to call Ashton in and pose the question. Its a results game and for over a year McKenna has simply not got them despite the ridiculous level of spending. Ashton will at some point be asked to make that decision.
So come on Kieran, make some changes to your approach, we all want you to succeed here. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 with 3276 views | homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:32 - Oct 23 with 3219 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
More experienced than Martyn pert who has coached all around the world and been a first team coach at the biggest football club in the world. Not sure that is at all an issue.
I would also add that just because the formation is the same doesn't mean that Mckenna doesn't change his approach or adapt the way we play. [Post edited 23 Oct 8:32]
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:36 - Oct 23 with 3172 views | ParisBlue |
I'd like to know whose idea it was to make 6-8 changes during 3 game weeks. That wasn't necessary in 23/24, when we made minimal changes, won the game, then took players off to give them a rest. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:36 - Oct 23 with 3183 views | homer_123 |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:32 - Oct 23 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
More experienced than Martyn pert who has coached all around the world and been a first team coach at the biggest football club in the world. Not sure that is at all an issue.
I would also add that just because the formation is the same doesn't mean that Mckenna doesn't change his approach or adapt the way we play. [Post edited 23 Oct 8:32]
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Your last sentence....I've lost count of the number of times I've posted on this subject.
We have played everything from a back two with both full backs bombing forward, to a back three with Davis going forward. We've seen Morsy and Luongo covering the full back position.
We've seen Davis play as a left wing back, winger, inside forward.
We've seen Greaves up joining the attack.
We've seen intricate playing out from the back, we've seen long balls into channels or long diagonal balls.
I could go on.
The long and short of it is it's not a rigid, one single way of playing. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:37 - Oct 23 with 3163 views | NthQldITFC |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
It's UTTERLY UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE that anybody could be even remotely close to even half thinking the opposite.
I'm staying off here as much as I can at the moment because so many people seem to have lost their tiny minds.
What a state we've got to when fans lose the plot and start wetting their knickers and screaming ten games into a squad transition.
I know it's the shallow social media-driven environment, but what an absolutely pathetic response. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:43 - Oct 23 with 3116 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:36 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Your last sentence....I've lost count of the number of times I've posted on this subject.
We have played everything from a back two with both full backs bombing forward, to a back three with Davis going forward. We've seen Morsy and Luongo covering the full back position.
We've seen Davis play as a left wing back, winger, inside forward.
We've seen Greaves up joining the attack.
We've seen intricate playing out from the back, we've seen long balls into channels or long diagonal balls.
I could go on.
The long and short of it is it's not a rigid, one single way of playing. |
Yep KM has been in charge a long time now and people still think he is stubborn. Have they not noticed Leif playing as a number 9 at times. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:44 - Oct 23 with 3108 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
McKenna regularly changes his approach, but you don't understand football well enough to see it.
What you really mean is "I think we should try winning every game, rather than losing and drawing some".
The level of spending wasn't ridiculous given how quickly we went from League 1 to Prem. It was absolutely necessary, and still wasn't enough. This is the context you and others, who bang on about how long things haven't been working for, tend to miss out.
And we've massively revamped the team now, which will clearly and obviously take time to gel (anyone who laughs at that word and doesn't understand it's a thing doesn't understand football well enough either).
We are 10 games into a new season with a new team. Have a little patience. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:49 - Oct 23 with 3026 views | jasondozzell |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:37 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's UTTERLY UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE that anybody could be even remotely close to even half thinking the opposite.
I'm staying off here as much as I can at the moment because so many people seem to have lost their tiny minds.
What a state we've got to when fans lose the plot and start wetting their knickers and screaming ten games into a squad transition.
I know it's the shallow social media-driven environment, but what an absolutely pathetic response. |
Exactly this. Brilliantly put.
It's shameful in fact.
It's really not complicated. We went from league one to prem in 2 years playing brilliant football. The premier League is brutal and a real order to be anywhere near ready in that time. We didn't disgrace ourselves and actually had some great days too. Now he's building another side and it's taking a bit of time to get right. Like it did when he joined. It's not complicated.
We could finish 10th this year and I would want to keep KM. He's our manager and an excellent one. I'm interested in what he will do and how he'll build.
People are acting like it's the end of Jewell's reign or something. Absolutely ridiculous. Embarrassing..
Show some loyalty especially after only being 10 games in and having thumped the scum! |  | | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:49 - Oct 23 with 3023 views | Benters |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
This. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 08:58 - Oct 23 with 2952 views | Wickets |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:49 - Oct 23 by jasondozzell |
Exactly this. Brilliantly put.
It's shameful in fact.
It's really not complicated. We went from league one to prem in 2 years playing brilliant football. The premier League is brutal and a real order to be anywhere near ready in that time. We didn't disgrace ourselves and actually had some great days too. Now he's building another side and it's taking a bit of time to get right. Like it did when he joined. It's not complicated.
We could finish 10th this year and I would want to keep KM. He's our manager and an excellent one. I'm interested in what he will do and how he'll build.
People are acting like it's the end of Jewell's reign or something. Absolutely ridiculous. Embarrassing..
Show some loyalty especially after only being 10 games in and having thumped the scum! |
Agreed and this is why i posted soon after what we all agreed was a horrible game and a very poor result for posters to try and keep their comments in perspective . Many did not . |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:58 - Oct 23 with 2946 views | SitfcB |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
POTD. Was going to say the same. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:05 - Oct 23 with 2893 views | ArnieM |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
I haven't said he hasn't been successful at Town. But he cant live in those past promotions going forward.
To stand still is to go backwards ...even Ashton has alluded to this for the Club and
" the project". So please do not try to twist my words or intended message of support behind my post.
Yours and others responses are just typical examples of shytehousery that happens constantly in this forum!
For those that day he does change his approach, well it clearly isn't working is it. We are SO predictable, evdn down to the minute and who he will substitute...Even the EADT are starting to question his approach and suggest a change. So is everyone else wrong except the few on here? And even if he is adapting his appriach ( i see no evidence of this), it isn't working. Do you'd try something else would you? [Post edited 23 Oct 9:09]
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:06 - Oct 23 with 2873 views | cressi |
Maybe like in the days of George Burley he brought Stewart Houston in to help defensively although George was a defender another set of eyes.
I had the feeling right or wrong and said in the car on the way to the Charlton game after watching the Boro game this has been almost a Yr and I fear he won't change and will fall on his sword by the new year hopefully I'm wrong. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:08 - Oct 23 with 2861 views | rkc123 |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
This is what I find so strange, obviously no one is happy with how we have started this season, but the idea of changing manager just seems crazy to me. McKenna has succeeded with us, he has shown what a good manager he is, and as a person he is everything we could want our manager to represent.
People go on about missing the team that got us those back to back promotions, but that team was shaped by McKenna, they were made into better players by McKenna, and most have dropped off the level we achieved as a collective since leaving. We have better players now, and McKenna will turn them into a team, I have no doubt about that. [Post edited 23 Oct 9:13]
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:10 - Oct 23 with 2838 views | baxterbasics |
Barring a catastrophic collapse that sees us back in Lg 1 and broke as a joke, even if KM ends up leaving (or asked to leave) this season, he would be leaving with the club in a much better state than he found it in. Largely (if not quite entirely) down to him, and we should always be grateful. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:13 - Oct 23 with 2809 views | ArnieM |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:10 - Oct 23 by baxterbasics |
Barring a catastrophic collapse that sees us back in Lg 1 and broke as a joke, even if KM ends up leaving (or asked to leave) this season, he would be leaving with the club in a much better state than he found it in. Largely (if not quite entirely) down to him, and we should always be grateful. |
I'd rather he stayed and developed into a better more rounded manager. No ones perfect and just to question is not to ridicule. If you never question, reflect, change you make the same mistakes . And that's in any walk of life not just a football manager. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:13 - Oct 23 with 2804 views | cressi |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:10 - Oct 23 by baxterbasics |
Barring a catastrophic collapse that sees us back in Lg 1 and broke as a joke, even if KM ends up leaving (or asked to leave) this season, he would be leaving with the club in a much better state than he found it in. Largely (if not quite entirely) down to him, and we should always be grateful. |
And to Paul Cook who brought most of the players in at the time.
We may have never have achieved what we did.
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:21 - Oct 23 with 2751 views | mutters |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:37 - Oct 23 by NthQldITFC |
It's UTTERLY UN-FKN-BELIEVABLE that anybody could be even remotely close to even half thinking the opposite.
I'm staying off here as much as I can at the moment because so many people seem to have lost their tiny minds.
What a state we've got to when fans lose the plot and start wetting their knickers and screaming ten games into a squad transition.
I know it's the shallow social media-driven environment, but what an absolutely pathetic response. |
Absolutely spot on, well said. This forum has gone mental over the last few weeks, last few days especially. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:29 - Oct 23 with 2682 views | baxterbasics |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:13 - Oct 23 by ArnieM |
I'd rather he stayed and developed into a better more rounded manager. No ones perfect and just to question is not to ridicule. If you never question, reflect, change you make the same mistakes . And that's in any walk of life not just a football manager. |
Totally agreed and I think this is the most likely scenario. I neither want, nor expect him to go any time soon. Anyone who does at this stage, well, at the very least their sense of perspective is highly skewed. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 09:36 - Oct 23 with 2609 views | itfcsuth |
Not only is Martyn Pert a thoroughly decent bloke, he’s also an absolute footballing devote, has a ridiculous level of understanding for the game and has unbelievable experiences from coaching and learning around the world - they are the perfect pairing.
It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest KMc hasn’t already achieved success at the club - regardless he will go down as one of our most successful managers ever - L1 to PL in 2 seasons is absolute fairytale.
In the wider scope of our journey, and where we are now to maybe where we should be, we are definitely in a current downwards trend - but football is an up and down journey constantly - and we are not a football club that knee jerk reacts to any downward trend - we stick together as a club, even more so when KMc has done what he has done for us.
Don’t get me wrong, there are things we need to address, there are wrongs we need to right to get us back on track, but we don’t need reinvent the wheel to what made us so successful, we just need to get back on that wheel. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:02 - Oct 23 with 2367 views | BeachBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:29 - Oct 23 by homer_123 |
Point of order.
He has succeeded at Town. |
Yes he has succeeded.
No, he's not above constructive criticism or questioning.
No, he's not solely responsible for Tuesday night
Yes, the players have to take responsibility as well.
No, the crowd didn't help either.
Sorry, but sitting in Sir Alf Upper with three of us singing and shouting encouragement, while people sat back moaning with a sense of entitlement in their freshly bought shirts was tiresome.
Well done to every fan who stayed positive.
Well done Jack Clarke for working his socks off. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 10:06 - Oct 23 with 2335 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Your post history suggest different. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 10:12 - Oct 23 with 2293 views | JakeITFC |
| Kieran McKenna on 08:36 - Oct 23 by ParisBlue |
I'd like to know whose idea it was to make 6-8 changes during 3 game weeks. That wasn't necessary in 23/24, when we made minimal changes, won the game, then took players off to give them a rest. |
Worth noting that when we beat Hull on a Tuesday night 3-0 in probably the peak performance of the McKenna era we'd made four changes from the weekend and then made another couple for the following home game.
This isn't new. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:19 - Oct 23 with 2241 views | Swansea_Blue |
I've listened to two discussions on R5 Live this week, on about Chelsea and one about Liverpool. You could have literally swapped in the name of ITFC into either of those discussions and they would have mirrored exactly the same talking points we see on here these days. I don't know what that tells us other than all clubs have the same issues when going through transitions and rebuilds. If it happens to the massive clubs with almost unlimited wealth and the best managers, it can happen to anyone. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 10:54 - Oct 23 with 2031 views | Bobbychase |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:12 - Oct 23 by JakeITFC |
Worth noting that when we beat Hull on a Tuesday night 3-0 in probably the peak performance of the McKenna era we'd made four changes from the weekend and then made another couple for the following home game.
This isn't new. |
Excactly, people just ignore the facts to suit their narrative. Changing the team is fine if we are winning, then it becomes a bad thing if we lose.
"Morsy would never have let this happen" I heard someone say as we were leaving after the Charlton game. Had to chuckle. The worst capitulation in the McKenna era has to be going from 4-2 up away at Charlton in injury time to drawing. Morsy was captain and on the pitch. We also capitulated against Rotherham at home and were rescued by the Omari late winner. There are other examples. |  |
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