| Kieran McKenna 08:27 - Oct 23 with 4686 views | ArnieM |
I really, really do want this man to succeed at Town. He's a thoroughly decent guy, and a very good coach all said and done. But his achilles heel is his reluctance to deviate from what he firmly believes is the " right way ". If only he would mix things up a bit from his current approach. Its not a weakness to admit to yourself that something isn't working, and to try something different. It shows personal and professional development. Yet for the life of me I cant fathom why he's not done it, when you consider his reputation within the game of being fanatically detailed in his preparations and a deep thinker about the game.
I'd suggest he needs a different, ( more experienced?) Deputy alongside him, but I doubt he'd accept that, and would probably view it as a slight on his own skill sets, but I think it could help. It won't happen i know.
The problem is at some point the owners are going to call Ashton in and pose the question. Its a results game and for over a year McKenna has simply not got them despite the ridiculous level of spending. Ashton will at some point be asked to make that decision.
So come on Kieran, make some changes to your approach, we all want you to succeed here. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:05 - Oct 24 with 568 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:01 - Oct 24 by bluefunk |
From last seasons squad, the following players came from League One in the previous 2 seasons
Walton, Davis, Woolfie, Burgess, Clarke, Morsy, Taylor, Hirst, Chaplin, Burns, Broadhead, Louongo.
Even if they weren’t first choice last season they featured when we had injuries etc. That’s 12 of a 25 man squad, enough for you?? |
So not many who came from league 1 or lower then.
Morsy. Luongo. Chaplin. Broadhead. Davis. Clarke. Walton. All came from champ level football when they joined us. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:06 - Oct 24 with 567 views | baxterbasics |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:53 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Out of interest. How many of last years squad came from league 1 or below.
I know Burgess and burns. But burns was injured anyway. But what other players last year came from league 1 or lower? |
If you're questioning my first statement, I did only mean players we had since Lg 1 days not necessarily players that never played at a higher level. Obviously I'm aware we had a few Championship level players take a step down to help drag us out.
As an actual answer I'm not entirely sure. Jack Taylor perhaps?
But even acknowledging all the above, we didn't exactly have riches of PL experience did we? Spent big on proven Championship winners, but aside from Kalvin Phillips we had very little from that level. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 11:24 - Oct 24 with 527 views | bluefunk |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:05 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
So not many who came from league 1 or lower then.
Morsy. Luongo. Chaplin. Broadhead. Davis. Clarke. Walton. All came from champ level football when they joined us. |
So they’re Championship level players, then, by your logic. Not PL standard, but that doesn’t fit your narrative either does it. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:28 - Oct 24 with 518 views | darkhorse28 |
I wish that was his only or main weakness, I’m more worried about his talent ID, motivational skills, crisis manager, and ability to offer a stick as well as a carrot if it’s required.
He seems be very low skilled in most of those areas.
Also seems to think every problem is solved with a coaching drill, and enjoys setting traps for himself…., wants to coach players into new roles, to prove he’s seen something in oakuers nobody else has.
He’s pathetically flawed.
Good coach or not, and he clearly is, he isn’t and likely never was a good manager.
Found out. And our leaders of 23/24 who ran towards challenges and adversity, they all saw exactly what he was like under pressure.
I think nobody that lorded him 12 months prior, had much great to say when they left, says it all.
We don’t really know.
They do. They worked with him…, the saw him every day of our worst ever season last year, and he didn’t lead and inspire did he.
The complete opposite. Lovely guy, seems empathetic, genuine, kind…, he also crumbled and hasn’t recovered form that.
Imagine thinking you’re world class…, spending all summer seeing the media say you are, telling your bosses you are THE BEST and leveraging such a huge salary.
Then seeing it all unravel, seeing that you’re actually miles away from the level you thought you were at.
Light years away.
Not easy to process…, he’s found it impossible.., he hasn’t learnt a single thing.
I don’t think he or Ashton 1% understand what elite manager actually is and the flaws he has.
Ashton doesn’t. McKenna needed support and guidance, and honesty, to grow, Ashton couldn’t find Elite if it was his own backside and he was in a funnel!!!
He hasn’t got a clue! 35 years repeating the same mistakes.., over and over.
He’s trashed our club. £200 million and our liabilities.
The paradox if WBA deliver the telling blow to his WBA 2000’s tribute act of a squad.
O’Shea, Palmer, Furlong, Kipre.., well let Harper etc sit as a bad smell…, what club with £200 million to spend, thinks that is a step towards competing in the premier league.
Not bad players.
Awful players in the context of spending £200 million to be an elite established premier league side.
ASHTON OUT - win lose or draw, he’s not good enough. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:37 - Oct 24 with 513 views | jasondozzell |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:28 - Oct 24 by darkhorse28 |
I wish that was his only or main weakness, I’m more worried about his talent ID, motivational skills, crisis manager, and ability to offer a stick as well as a carrot if it’s required.
He seems be very low skilled in most of those areas.
Also seems to think every problem is solved with a coaching drill, and enjoys setting traps for himself…., wants to coach players into new roles, to prove he’s seen something in oakuers nobody else has.
He’s pathetically flawed.
Good coach or not, and he clearly is, he isn’t and likely never was a good manager.
Found out. And our leaders of 23/24 who ran towards challenges and adversity, they all saw exactly what he was like under pressure.
I think nobody that lorded him 12 months prior, had much great to say when they left, says it all.
We don’t really know.
They do. They worked with him…, the saw him every day of our worst ever season last year, and he didn’t lead and inspire did he.
The complete opposite. Lovely guy, seems empathetic, genuine, kind…, he also crumbled and hasn’t recovered form that.
Imagine thinking you’re world class…, spending all summer seeing the media say you are, telling your bosses you are THE BEST and leveraging such a huge salary.
Then seeing it all unravel, seeing that you’re actually miles away from the level you thought you were at.
Light years away.
Not easy to process…, he’s found it impossible.., he hasn’t learnt a single thing.
I don’t think he or Ashton 1% understand what elite manager actually is and the flaws he has.
Ashton doesn’t. McKenna needed support and guidance, and honesty, to grow, Ashton couldn’t find Elite if it was his own backside and he was in a funnel!!!
He hasn’t got a clue! 35 years repeating the same mistakes.., over and over.
He’s trashed our club. £200 million and our liabilities.
The paradox if WBA deliver the telling blow to his WBA 2000’s tribute act of a squad.
O’Shea, Palmer, Furlong, Kipre.., well let Harper etc sit as a bad smell…, what club with £200 million to spend, thinks that is a step towards competing in the premier league.
Not bad players.
Awful players in the context of spending £200 million to be an elite established premier league side.
ASHTON OUT - win lose or draw, he’s not good enough. |
Bookmarked ahead of our best manager of the last 25 years (if not more) inevitably showing his class and building another great side. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 12:36 - Oct 24 with 462 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:24 - Oct 24 by bluefunk |
So they’re Championship level players, then, by your logic. Not PL standard, but that doesn’t fit your narrative either does it. |
I didn't have a narrative i asked a question. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 12:38 - Oct 24 with 461 views | Herbivore |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:28 - Oct 24 by darkhorse28 |
I wish that was his only or main weakness, I’m more worried about his talent ID, motivational skills, crisis manager, and ability to offer a stick as well as a carrot if it’s required.
He seems be very low skilled in most of those areas.
Also seems to think every problem is solved with a coaching drill, and enjoys setting traps for himself…., wants to coach players into new roles, to prove he’s seen something in oakuers nobody else has.
He’s pathetically flawed.
Good coach or not, and he clearly is, he isn’t and likely never was a good manager.
Found out. And our leaders of 23/24 who ran towards challenges and adversity, they all saw exactly what he was like under pressure.
I think nobody that lorded him 12 months prior, had much great to say when they left, says it all.
We don’t really know.
They do. They worked with him…, the saw him every day of our worst ever season last year, and he didn’t lead and inspire did he.
The complete opposite. Lovely guy, seems empathetic, genuine, kind…, he also crumbled and hasn’t recovered form that.
Imagine thinking you’re world class…, spending all summer seeing the media say you are, telling your bosses you are THE BEST and leveraging such a huge salary.
Then seeing it all unravel, seeing that you’re actually miles away from the level you thought you were at.
Light years away.
Not easy to process…, he’s found it impossible.., he hasn’t learnt a single thing.
I don’t think he or Ashton 1% understand what elite manager actually is and the flaws he has.
Ashton doesn’t. McKenna needed support and guidance, and honesty, to grow, Ashton couldn’t find Elite if it was his own backside and he was in a funnel!!!
He hasn’t got a clue! 35 years repeating the same mistakes.., over and over.
He’s trashed our club. £200 million and our liabilities.
The paradox if WBA deliver the telling blow to his WBA 2000’s tribute act of a squad.
O’Shea, Palmer, Furlong, Kipre.., well let Harper etc sit as a bad smell…, what club with £200 million to spend, thinks that is a step towards competing in the premier league.
Not bad players.
Awful players in the context of spending £200 million to be an elite established premier league side.
ASHTON OUT - win lose or draw, he’s not good enough. |
And they all lived happily ever after. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 13:49 - Oct 24 with 391 views | waveneyblue |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:28 - Oct 24 by darkhorse28 |
I wish that was his only or main weakness, I’m more worried about his talent ID, motivational skills, crisis manager, and ability to offer a stick as well as a carrot if it’s required.
He seems be very low skilled in most of those areas.
Also seems to think every problem is solved with a coaching drill, and enjoys setting traps for himself…., wants to coach players into new roles, to prove he’s seen something in oakuers nobody else has.
He’s pathetically flawed.
Good coach or not, and he clearly is, he isn’t and likely never was a good manager.
Found out. And our leaders of 23/24 who ran towards challenges and adversity, they all saw exactly what he was like under pressure.
I think nobody that lorded him 12 months prior, had much great to say when they left, says it all.
We don’t really know.
They do. They worked with him…, the saw him every day of our worst ever season last year, and he didn’t lead and inspire did he.
The complete opposite. Lovely guy, seems empathetic, genuine, kind…, he also crumbled and hasn’t recovered form that.
Imagine thinking you’re world class…, spending all summer seeing the media say you are, telling your bosses you are THE BEST and leveraging such a huge salary.
Then seeing it all unravel, seeing that you’re actually miles away from the level you thought you were at.
Light years away.
Not easy to process…, he’s found it impossible.., he hasn’t learnt a single thing.
I don’t think he or Ashton 1% understand what elite manager actually is and the flaws he has.
Ashton doesn’t. McKenna needed support and guidance, and honesty, to grow, Ashton couldn’t find Elite if it was his own backside and he was in a funnel!!!
He hasn’t got a clue! 35 years repeating the same mistakes.., over and over.
He’s trashed our club. £200 million and our liabilities.
The paradox if WBA deliver the telling blow to his WBA 2000’s tribute act of a squad.
O’Shea, Palmer, Furlong, Kipre.., well let Harper etc sit as a bad smell…, what club with £200 million to spend, thinks that is a step towards competing in the premier league.
Not bad players.
Awful players in the context of spending £200 million to be an elite established premier league side.
ASHTON OUT - win lose or draw, he’s not good enough. |
There's only one person who is pathetically flawed...
They regularly come on to a message board and repeat the same sh1t every time and make's everyone bored sh1tless of them..
Who could that be ? [Post edited 24 Oct 14:19]
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| Kieran McKenna on 14:57 - Oct 24 with 325 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 09:49 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Only mentioned it above In regards to people saying we'd be looking at mckenna if we needed a new manager. If there was town link and we had no idea who he was I don't think mckenna would be high on alot of supporter lists.
As a outsider you see two promotions. Excellent. A really bad prem season. Spent a fortune. No wins away. A handful of open play goals this season and currently 12th. So no as a town fan I wouldn't be looking at that manager saying oo yes let's get him. Not after our luck with lambert a double promotion winner himself.
How we view km is different to how many neutrals see him. ( of course that view depends who you're speaking to) I've got some who rate him. Some who don't) [Post edited 24 Oct 9:51]
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I don't mind all that as an opinion, but it just gets a bit annoying when people keep quoting the 7 in 48 without any of the context.
It's people who err on the negative side doing that - deliberately - because it looks so much worse without the context.
If we were looking for a manager and hadn't had McKenna previously then a lot of Town fans who know a bit about football would be saying he's an excellent choice.
The two promotions in a row, in this day and age, is very rare and very extraordinary. I think most people who understand the game would appreciate it's very difficult to keep that team in the Prem after a fair amount of them played in League 1... and with the massive turnover of players since relegation, most who understand the game would realise 10 games in is too early to judge/write them off. |  |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:08 - Oct 24 with 309 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kieran McKenna on 14:57 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't mind all that as an opinion, but it just gets a bit annoying when people keep quoting the 7 in 48 without any of the context.
It's people who err on the negative side doing that - deliberately - because it looks so much worse without the context.
If we were looking for a manager and hadn't had McKenna previously then a lot of Town fans who know a bit about football would be saying he's an excellent choice.
The two promotions in a row, in this day and age, is very rare and very extraordinary. I think most people who understand the game would appreciate it's very difficult to keep that team in the Prem after a fair amount of them played in League 1... and with the massive turnover of players since relegation, most who understand the game would realise 10 games in is too early to judge/write them off. |
Think they'd be mixed thoughts on it tbh. Again. We've had the double promotion manager before and he also had done better than km did. Take town and mckenna fan view away it. That's just how it has been.
I got told the other day that a uefa cup winning manager just 5 months ago wouldn't be a good choice of manager for town it needed, so I don't think someone didn't stay up or even get close to it and has struggled this season would be a top choice.
Either way it doesn't really matter does it as he is our manager anyway. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:10 - Oct 24 with 306 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 10:50 - Oct 24 by baxterbasics |
yes and for those PL games we still had a squad built around Lg 1 players that the same moaners think we should have hung onto instead of trying to build a team that might have a better shot next time!
What KM has tried to do with the new players is to get the team more PL ready. It may yet pay off, may not (especially if we can't even get out of the Championship) but he was never going to just stick with the same team and hope it worked out better this time. |
Yep. As much as we loved that team, and their togetherness was worth several points by itself, they would've been slaughtered in the Prem if we'd just kept them. Even top performers in League 1 and The Champ like Morsy struggled in the Prem. The same people complaining we changed too much would be the ones complaining if we stuck with the team and didn't try to add Prem quality.
I think other than performing miracles, with the League 1 team suddenly having the skill and athleticism required for the Prem, some people would always be complaining. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:14 - Oct 24 with 301 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:24 - Oct 24 by bluefunk |
So they’re Championship level players, then, by your logic. Not PL standard, but that doesn’t fit your narrative either does it. |
Not only that, they're Championship players who dropped to League 1.
Not exactly a glowing CV at that point (and certainly nowhere near Prem quality). | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:17 - Oct 24 with 291 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 15:08 - Oct 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Think they'd be mixed thoughts on it tbh. Again. We've had the double promotion manager before and he also had done better than km did. Take town and mckenna fan view away it. That's just how it has been.
I got told the other day that a uefa cup winning manager just 5 months ago wouldn't be a good choice of manager for town it needed, so I don't think someone didn't stay up or even get close to it and has struggled this season would be a top choice.
Either way it doesn't really matter does it as he is our manager anyway. |
It's 15 years since Lambert did it, football was a lot different then.
As I said, people who know anything about football would look at the context and realise McKenna would be an excellent choice. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:35 - Oct 24 with 260 views | BouncebackIpswich |
I think your post is largely fair. He's had huge success at Town with 2 promotions in 3 seasons and proven himself as a quality manager. He has brought the club far on from when he came in. This buys him a lot more leeway and breathing space than most other managers and rightly so
It doesn't mean that he is flawless and above any questioning or criticism which is the line some of the more aggressive posters take on here. I would say that something that has proven to be both McKenna's strength and now his weakness is his tactical rigidity and belief in his Plan A.
With the limp relegation last year and extremely underwhelming start to this season, despite a small fortune being spent on personnel and infrastructure, there are reasons for concern that he does not know how to adapt now that his approach which served us so well for 2 years is increasingly ineffective. 48 games is not a small sample size.
You have every right to suggest he may need different voices in his ear and a change in approach and ideas. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 15:41 - Oct 24 with 243 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kieran McKenna on 15:35 - Oct 24 by BouncebackIpswich |
I think your post is largely fair. He's had huge success at Town with 2 promotions in 3 seasons and proven himself as a quality manager. He has brought the club far on from when he came in. This buys him a lot more leeway and breathing space than most other managers and rightly so
It doesn't mean that he is flawless and above any questioning or criticism which is the line some of the more aggressive posters take on here. I would say that something that has proven to be both McKenna's strength and now his weakness is his tactical rigidity and belief in his Plan A.
With the limp relegation last year and extremely underwhelming start to this season, despite a small fortune being spent on personnel and infrastructure, there are reasons for concern that he does not know how to adapt now that his approach which served us so well for 2 years is increasingly ineffective. 48 games is not a small sample size.
You have every right to suggest he may need different voices in his ear and a change in approach and ideas. |
Not a single poster on here, that I've seen, has said, or even suggested, McKenna "is flawless and above any questioning or criticism."
Feel free to link to one. | |
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| Kieran McKenna on 15:51 - Oct 24 with 214 views | BloomBlue |
To be fair every successful manager has been stubborn in not changing style.
Sir Bobby was very stuck in his ways, but it was a success.
Sir Alex never changed, then got lucky when things started going downhill and Paul Scholes changed his mind about retiring and gave Sir Alex one final successful season.
That's the thing, if you have a style that brings success you probably don't want to change, even during difficult periods. |  | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 17:27 - Oct 24 with 167 views | ottovonbismark |
| Kieran McKenna on 11:37 - Oct 24 by jasondozzell |
Bookmarked ahead of our best manager of the last 25 years (if not more) inevitably showing his class and building another great side. |
wishful thinking. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 17:29 - Oct 24 with 166 views | jasondozzell |
Also bookmarked. | | | |
| Kieran McKenna on 18:07 - Oct 24 with 136 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Kieran McKenna on 15:41 - Oct 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not a single poster on here, that I've seen, has said, or even suggested, McKenna "is flawless and above any questioning or criticism."
Feel free to link to one. |
There are some on here who don't seem any to cope with any even slight hint of criticising or questioning McKenna and the powers that be and immediately resort to pathetic name calling, can be like a cult at times. | | | |
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