| I don't know the train lines on 16:22 - Nov 2 with 806 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:19 - Nov 2 by positivity |
there's been a lot of problems with auto-correct lately, he might have meant nazi brit? |
One that lives in Dubai? |  | |  |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:24 - Nov 2 with 808 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:21 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You do realise that AI's 6 minute drive is obeying speed limits and according to current traffic conditions?
Was the 8 minutes to the point of arrest rather than arrival on scene? If it was, doesn't it just mean it took them less than 2 minutes once on scene to make the arrests? (If it is.) |
If you look at the wiggly route in the map provided beating you might make it in 5 mins going police speed.
So to board a train, makes 2 arrests in three mins. And that’s assuming the team were sat in a van waiting to go. And in the decision to stop the train at Huntingdon as it wasn’t a designated stop etc etc |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:25 - Nov 2 with 794 views | The_Major |
Elsewhere, seen people saying that some of the treacherous Lord Haw Haws on the right are blaming Sadiq Khan.
What blaming the London mayor for a crime committed in Huntingdon by people who got on a train at Peterborough that had started the journey in Doncaster? How does that work?
These people are beneath contempt. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:27 - Nov 2 with 773 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:21 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
I know. That’s my point. I agree. My questioning of prior knowledge is just that. If it wasn’t there, then how on earth did they make the arrests in that timescale.
I really am not trying to start any conspiracy theory, just trying to understand. |
Several possibilities.
1 They didn't because 8 minutes is the time to arrive.
2 They took fewer than 6 minutes to get there and fewer than 3 to effect the arrest.
3 Something else not considered such as the time not being from the point of the 99 call being made but the train arriving in the station.
There is no reason to believe in a weird conspiracy that anyone had prior knowledge that the incident was going to occur and that where it was going to occur was also already known. In fact, if that does become known to be the case, the question should be "why weren't armed police already on the train or at least on the platform before it occurred?" |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:28 - Nov 2 with 765 views | Chris_ITFC |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:24 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
If you look at the wiggly route in the map provided beating you might make it in 5 mins going police speed.
So to board a train, makes 2 arrests in three mins. And that’s assuming the team were sat in a van waiting to go. And in the decision to stop the train at Huntingdon as it wasn’t a designated stop etc etc |
Please stop.
You’re talking from a position of such clear absence of knowledge. YES, armed police officers sit in vehicles ready to respond routinely - shock.
It’s almost as if they train to respond quickly to emergencies. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:29 - Nov 2 with 760 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:22 - Nov 2 by The_Major |
A six minute drive would assume an average speed of 10mph. I think we can safely rule that out, as Google Maps is assuming delays of red lights and people obeying speed limits.
Any talk of an inside job or some conspiracy theory is downright nonsense. |
You are the only one mentioned conspiracy theories or inside jobs.
I’m just not sure I believe the 8 mins part.
If it was genuinely 8 mins from 999 call to arrest it if feels there must have been some level of prior warning. That isn’t a conspiracy, it is just a suggestion there are details that haven’t this been released. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:31 - Nov 2 with 750 views | Chris_ITFC |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:20 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
Not dangerous in anyway and not really nonsense either. Every day there are things happening that get stopped, some things can't be stopped but can be prepared for to their best abilities.
Not sure why you feel it's dangerous nonsense, even IF it was known, it's still an excellent response time and well done to everyone who acted swiftly. |
It’s dangerous nonsense because you’re making speculative suggestions based on zero knowledge of a) what happened this time, or b) what happens normally.
Do you know what the average police response time is to a 999 call?
Try looking that up, and you’ll realise this response is unexceptional (but still superb). | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:34 - Nov 2 with 718 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:24 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
If you look at the wiggly route in the map provided beating you might make it in 5 mins going police speed.
So to board a train, makes 2 arrests in three mins. And that’s assuming the team were sat in a van waiting to go. And in the decision to stop the train at Huntingdon as it wasn’t a designated stop etc etc |
Maybe they didn't take time to drive into the car park and choose a parking space and pay the parking fee!
Travelling at up to twice the speed limit under blue lights, stopping at the entrance to the car park, etc can probably shave at least 1-2 minutes off the 6 minutes. Dragging the cursor to the entrance of the car park on that AI map shows it as 5 minutes. Perhaps that's an exaggeration on the actual time based on within the speed limit too?
The team despatched will have been made aware that the train would be stopped at Huntingdon from the information the emergency chord had been pulled and that is standard procedure.
EDIT: How many minutes do you expect it to take to run on to the platform, head for the area of maximum panic (or the carriage already notified via 999), enter the carriage and tazer the person wielding the large knife? Under 1 minute would be quite believable for me. [Post edited 2 Nov 16:39]
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:38 - Nov 2 with 676 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:31 - Nov 2 by Chris_ITFC |
It’s dangerous nonsense because you’re making speculative suggestions based on zero knowledge of a) what happened this time, or b) what happens normally.
Do you know what the average police response time is to a 999 call?
Try looking that up, and you’ll realise this response is unexceptional (but still superb). |
It would be dangerous if I were speculating on an inside job or a bad conspiracy. I've done neither
Planned events happen alot, some can be stopped, some can't. If this was one that was planned, they became aware but didn't have the exact details to stop it prior to the action taking place, yet they still acted swiftly with good solid emergency job well done.
next time ask for a bit of clarification rather than labelling my post as something it's not
I did look it up out and the met average for 2024 for 'immediate response' was 9.9 minutes, interestingly the target is 15 minutes, so the met were doing really well with their responses, not sure what 25 is, couldn't see that one. [Post edited 2 Nov 16:47]
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:39 - Nov 2 with 670 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:28 - Nov 2 by Chris_ITFC |
Please stop.
You’re talking from a position of such clear absence of knowledge. YES, armed police officers sit in vehicles ready to respond routinely - shock.
It’s almost as if they train to respond quickly to emergencies. |
Typically 2-3 ARV s to each operational area. Assuming that is the old Huntingdonshire county and not Cambridgeshire that is still quite a large area for such a quick response.
Obviously on your instructions I’ll stop. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:40 - Nov 2 with 660 views | soupytwist |
| I don't know the train lines on 15:38 - Nov 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
That's The Fail Online? Odd. This is where that started.
Meanwhile the right wing grifters are now starting to clutch at straws. Now that they are British, it's because they aren't white.
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I expect that "I am not safe to go to the celebration parade for the Premier League winners" was omitted due to reasons of space. Or was it something else?
And which dog walking incident are they talking about? That poor woman in Brantham was murdered by someone who looked a lot like Ant Middleton's "native Brits". |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:45 - Nov 2 with 637 views | DJR |
A few more top-rated comments from Mailonline.
"The police asked people not to speculate. That tells us all we need to know."
"Labour will be as quiet as mice. Again. I don’t know how this country isn’t storming parliament yet. I hope the day comes, I really do."
"London mayor will be concerned most about policeman cursing"
"The police are treating us with contempt by insulting our intelligence in this way. One person might be a random nutter, but two working together, not a chance."
"A general election must be called. We need a Prime Minister with British values who loves his Country and is prepared to fight for it." |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:46 - Nov 2 with 633 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:29 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
You are the only one mentioned conspiracy theories or inside jobs.
I’m just not sure I believe the 8 mins part.
If it was genuinely 8 mins from 999 call to arrest it if feels there must have been some level of prior warning. That isn’t a conspiracy, it is just a suggestion there are details that haven’t this been released. |
Ok. Doing some more digging…
The train was diverted onto a slow line arriving at Huntingdon station after 14 minutes, assume there have been some sort of decision time and organisation time prior to that. Ie checking options.
So the 8 mins claim by the police spokesman feels dubious and the actual response time not known currently. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:46 - Nov 2 with 632 views | Chris_ITFC |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:39 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
Typically 2-3 ARV s to each operational area. Assuming that is the old Huntingdonshire county and not Cambridgeshire that is still quite a large area for such a quick response.
Obviously on your instructions I’ll stop. |
As I suggested to another poster, who I’ve given up on, take a look at what the average response time is for a ‘run of the mill’ 999 call in urban areas.
It will quickly quell your disbelief, and put you in a much better position to judge what is “impossible” (or otherwise) for the police to do. | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 16:51 - Nov 2 with 605 views | soupytwist |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:10 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
I know. But 8 minutes is phenomenal. As mentioned I am Huntingdon based. I know where the two police stations are in relation to the train station. One particularly is hampered by a one way ring road. From alert, in a van to the station, on a train make two arrest with one tazered on the platform seems unreal to me. In fact I’d say impossible.
Hence someone’s suggestion of prior knowledge fits. |
The train was not scheduled to stop at Huntingdon. Normally it would have passed through the station on a high speed track with no platform.
Presumably the sequence of events went something like this:
999 call made from train somewhere north of Huntingdon
Train and signalling staff decide to divert train onto slower track and stop at Huntingdon (perhaps at suggestion of police, perhaps not).
Police informed that the train will be diverted to Huntingdon so they reluctantly leave their coffee and doughnuts in the canteen and set off on the short (6 minute according to Google maps) journey to Huntingdon station.
Train slows down to allow it to stop safely at Huntingdon.
Train pulls into Huntingdon station where police are already on the platform ready to board.
Police locate and apprehend perpetrators.
Doesn't seem too outside the realms of possibility to me. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:53 - Nov 2 with 586 views | DJR |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:40 - Nov 2 by soupytwist |
I expect that "I am not safe to go to the celebration parade for the Premier League winners" was omitted due to reasons of space. Or was it something else?
And which dog walking incident are they talking about? That poor woman in Brantham was murdered by someone who looked a lot like Ant Middleton's "native Brits". |
The difference is that those two events didn't take place.  | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:53 - Nov 2 with 583 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:46 - Nov 2 by Chris_ITFC |
As I suggested to another poster, who I’ve given up on, take a look at what the average response time is for a ‘run of the mill’ 999 call in urban areas.
It will quickly quell your disbelief, and put you in a much better position to judge what is “impossible” (or otherwise) for the police to do. |
Can you provide a link?
AI, which of course don’t fully believe says 15 minutes in urban areas. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:55 - Nov 2 with 562 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:51 - Nov 2 by soupytwist |
The train was not scheduled to stop at Huntingdon. Normally it would have passed through the station on a high speed track with no platform.
Presumably the sequence of events went something like this:
999 call made from train somewhere north of Huntingdon
Train and signalling staff decide to divert train onto slower track and stop at Huntingdon (perhaps at suggestion of police, perhaps not).
Police informed that the train will be diverted to Huntingdon so they reluctantly leave their coffee and doughnuts in the canteen and set off on the short (6 minute according to Google maps) journey to Huntingdon station.
Train slows down to allow it to stop safely at Huntingdon.
Train pulls into Huntingdon station where police are already on the platform ready to board.
Police locate and apprehend perpetrators.
Doesn't seem too outside the realms of possibility to me. |
But I just read it took 14 minutes to stop at Huntingdon after the decision to put it int he slow track. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:00 - Nov 2 with 528 views | leitrimblue |
I'm not sure i was aware of his existence prior to today but he's clearly a moron with no-v little understanding of British culture and what might determine a native Brit. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:03 - Nov 2 with 514 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:53 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
Can you provide a link?
AI, which of course don’t fully believe says 15 minutes in urban areas. |
Not sure what Grade I is but it was the shortest times. Below is the Met police.
Urgency Grade "I" data (in minutes) between 01/01/2019 to 31/07/2024
Year Avg Response Time Max Response Time Min Response Time Median Response Time
2019 11 7,308 0 9.7
2020 10 11,539 0 9.4
2021 11 14,422 0 9.7
2022 12 11,530 0 10.3
2023 12 15,873 0 10.2
2024* 12 15,817 0 9.9
That doesn’t read well I realise but the average is 11 - 12. Obviously meaning some quicker. But the 8 mins includes boarding a train and making an arrest.
Still the question now really is IF the train took 14 minutes to reach the station after the decision taken, how did the police respond quicker? Obviously they can’t. So someone has accidentally misinformed.
Assuming 14 mins to train. A few minutes fruit for decision making and a few mins to board the train and taze. 20 ish mins is still pretty decent. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:04 - Nov 2 with 505 views | soupytwist |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:55 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
But I just read it took 14 minutes to stop at Huntingdon after the decision to put it int he slow track. |
We're really starting to dance on the head of a pin here, but according to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8r007d4kk2o
"Cambridgeshire Police received the first call from passengers on board at 19:39, and the British Transport Police (BTP) was also alerted at 19:42.
Altogether, the incident was estimated to last roughly 10 to 15 minutes - and passengers said it took place towards the rear of the train.
Armed police boarded the train and arrested two men within eight minutes of the call to BTP."
And the local MP turned up at about 9.00pm, not sure what they thought they could do. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:06 - Nov 2 with 499 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:55 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
But I just read it took 14 minutes to stop at Huntingdon after the decision to put it int he slow track. |
It would help if you linked where you have read that time.
All it really shows is that there is a lack of firm information at the moment. The 8 minutes is a police statement based on from time of 999 call receipt to arrest. I have no reason to doubt the truth of that statement aside from your unverified claim it took 14 minutes for the train to stop.
EDIT: The BBC article seems to clarify that is the time from receipt of a call to BTP rather than a public 999 call. This presumably would have been the rail services and would have confirmed the train stopping at Huntingdon. [Post edited 2 Nov 17:13]
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| I don't know the train lines on 17:06 - Nov 2 with 494 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:00 - Nov 2 by leitrimblue |
I'm not sure i was aware of his existence prior to today but he's clearly a moron with no-v little understanding of British culture and what might determine a native Brit. |
he was brought up in france, so can't be expected to undestand british "natives"!
also a tax-dodger with convictions for assaulting male and female police officers who's sued by the army. typical right-wing grifter in other words.
at best he's a naive brit, but has the stench of something a bit more dangerous |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 17:08 - Nov 2 with 478 views | Chris_ITFC |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:03 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
Not sure what Grade I is but it was the shortest times. Below is the Met police.
Urgency Grade "I" data (in minutes) between 01/01/2019 to 31/07/2024
Year Avg Response Time Max Response Time Min Response Time Median Response Time
2019 11 7,308 0 9.7
2020 10 11,539 0 9.4
2021 11 14,422 0 9.7
2022 12 11,530 0 10.3
2023 12 15,873 0 10.2
2024* 12 15,817 0 9.9
That doesn’t read well I realise but the average is 11 - 12. Obviously meaning some quicker. But the 8 mins includes boarding a train and making an arrest.
Still the question now really is IF the train took 14 minutes to reach the station after the decision taken, how did the police respond quicker? Obviously they can’t. So someone has accidentally misinformed.
Assuming 14 mins to train. A few minutes fruit for decision making and a few mins to board the train and taze. 20 ish mins is still pretty decent. |
A more appropriate comparison is Suffolk, who were doing 10m 43s on average in 2023/24. I really can’t stress ‘average’ enough.
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You really are just making arguments to fit your desired outcome now.
If you think police with guns take “a few minutes” to decide what to do in a situation such as this, again respectfully, I suggest you educate yourself on this.
Count to 8 minutes, then think how far a speeding car travels in that time, or how many people get stabbed in a “few minutes” if police don’t act immediately.
I’ll leave it there. | |
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