| I don't know the train lines on 17:08 - Nov 2 with 1374 views | Trequartista |
That's a route that didn't exist 5 years ago (there was no "Station Approach"), as that was the A14 before they re-routed it and removed the bridge. [Post edited 2 Nov 17:12]
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| I don't know the train lines on 17:13 - Nov 2 with 1354 views | The_Major |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:29 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
You are the only one mentioned conspiracy theories or inside jobs.
I’m just not sure I believe the 8 mins part.
If it was genuinely 8 mins from 999 call to arrest it if feels there must have been some level of prior warning. That isn’t a conspiracy, it is just a suggestion there are details that haven’t this been released. |
Apologies, that particular comment was not aimed at yourself, rather than at those elsewhere who ARE coming up with these.
The location of the emergency services is going to be problematic whatever you do. Take Ipswich itself. It could be argued that the hospital used to be in a ideal place in Anglesea Road back in the day as it was central. But obviously it's surrounded by relatively narrow streets with the exception of Henley Road. So it's now on Heath Road, which is better from a road network point of view, and if you're needing to go there from Bixley, Broke Hall, Priory Heath and the like, you're laughing.
But if you've just been knocked over on say Bramford Lane, which way are they going to go then once the ambulance has picked you up?
Through town? That could be asking for trouble.
Valley Road? Possible, but you run the risk of being held up at the Inkeman and/or any of the other roundabouts.
Bypass, coming off at Ransomes? It's a heck of a lot longer even if you can go a lot faster.
The police had the same problem when they were at Elm Street. If they had a call to go to south or east, no problem. A call for say Whitton or Castle Hill, and they had no choice but to come out of Elm Street, go around the then Greyfriars roundabout and back up the other side of Civic Drive. All of which adds to response times.
That's why there's now that gap in the central reservation of Civic Drive, they knocked it through so the police could turn right out of Elm Street. They also had control of the pelican crossing there so they could set it to red to stop the traffic.
I should think it's a logistical and planning nightmare to work out where to put these places, and there is no right answer [Post edited 2 Nov 17:15]
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| I don't know the train lines on 17:16 - Nov 2 with 1332 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:06 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It would help if you linked where you have read that time.
All it really shows is that there is a lack of firm information at the moment. The 8 minutes is a police statement based on from time of 999 call receipt to arrest. I have no reason to doubt the truth of that statement aside from your unverified claim it took 14 minutes for the train to stop.
EDIT: The BBC article seems to clarify that is the time from receipt of a call to BTP rather than a public 999 call. This presumably would have been the rail services and would have confirmed the train stopping at Huntingdon. [Post edited 2 Nov 17:13]
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Unhelpfully I can’t find it now so potentially I should retract my last few comments. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:18 - Nov 2 with 1318 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:06 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It would help if you linked where you have read that time.
All it really shows is that there is a lack of firm information at the moment. The 8 minutes is a police statement based on from time of 999 call receipt to arrest. I have no reason to doubt the truth of that statement aside from your unverified claim it took 14 minutes for the train to stop.
EDIT: The BBC article seems to clarify that is the time from receipt of a call to BTP rather than a public 999 call. This presumably would have been the rail services and would have confirmed the train stopping at Huntingdon. [Post edited 2 Nov 17:13]
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That’s probably the difference! Won’t be long of course between the two. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:26 - Nov 2 with 1269 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:08 - Nov 2 by Chris_ITFC |
A more appropriate comparison is Suffolk, who were doing 10m 43s on average in 2023/24. I really can’t stress ‘average’ enough.
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You really are just making arguments to fit your desired outcome now.
If you think police with guns take “a few minutes” to decide what to do in a situation such as this, again respectfully, I suggest you educate yourself on this.
Count to 8 minutes, then think how far a speeding car travels in that time, or how many people get stabbed in a “few minutes” if police don’t act immediately.
I’ll leave it there. |
Your tone is unbelievable.
I have no desired outcome. Just 8mins feels unreal to me.
Not necessarily suggesting police take ‘a few mins to think’. Maybe someone has to decide where is the most appropriate place for the train to stop etc, nearest signal points or whatever. Just suggesting a 999 phone call operative might not instantly make all the decisions that instantly need making. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:42 - Nov 2 with 1203 views | Ryorry |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:26 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
Your tone is unbelievable.
I have no desired outcome. Just 8mins feels unreal to me.
Not necessarily suggesting police take ‘a few mins to think’. Maybe someone has to decide where is the most appropriate place for the train to stop etc, nearest signal points or whatever. Just suggesting a 999 phone call operative might not instantly make all the decisions that instantly need making. |
It was all explained perfectly well in BBC R4 news around 9am today (by an MP iirc citing BTP info).
One or more passengers alerted the train driver who alerted all the local emergency services incl British Transport Police - it wasn't the 999 call that was key.
They all train for this regularly and indeed there had been a recent drill for such a situation. The location of the train when the attacks started was key - the perpetrators could hardly have chosen a worse one from their point of view - because of the proximity of the Police HQ, Huntingdon Rail Station, & the Hospital. The Emergency Services, incl armed response, were therefore able swiftly and smoothly to co-ordinate the best sequence of actions to deal with the situation.
Please stop speculating. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 18:02 - Nov 2 with 1160 views | The_Major |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:42 - Nov 2 by Ryorry |
It was all explained perfectly well in BBC R4 news around 9am today (by an MP iirc citing BTP info).
One or more passengers alerted the train driver who alerted all the local emergency services incl British Transport Police - it wasn't the 999 call that was key.
They all train for this regularly and indeed there had been a recent drill for such a situation. The location of the train when the attacks started was key - the perpetrators could hardly have chosen a worse one from their point of view - because of the proximity of the Police HQ, Huntingdon Rail Station, & the Hospital. The Emergency Services, incl armed response, were therefore able swiftly and smoothly to co-ordinate the best sequence of actions to deal with the situation.
Please stop speculating. |
Apologies Ryorry - accidentally down voted due to fat thumbs.
Just been announced by the police that there's only one suspect. Plus sounds like the conductor was a complete hero - let's hope he pulls through. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:04 - Nov 2 with 1144 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:02 - Nov 2 by The_Major |
Apologies Ryorry - accidentally down voted due to fat thumbs.
Just been announced by the police that there's only one suspect. Plus sounds like the conductor was a complete hero - let's hope he pulls through. |
Imagine being that 2nd suspect but not actually being part of it.. must have been horrid. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 18:07 - Nov 2 with 1113 views | DJR |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:02 - Nov 2 by The_Major |
Apologies Ryorry - accidentally down voted due to fat thumbs.
Just been announced by the police that there's only one suspect. Plus sounds like the conductor was a complete hero - let's hope he pulls through. |
That's put the kibosh on this highly-rated Mail online comment that I set out earlier.
"The police are treating us with contempt by insulting our intelligence in this way. One person might be a random nutter, but two working together, not a chance."
What a sick world we live in, where a lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its trousers on. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:27]
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| I don't know the train lines on 18:13 - Nov 2 with 1073 views | The_Major |
Sounds like there was a lot of London based Forest fans on the train, and by extension, I assume several Man Utd fans as well.
Forest have just released a statement on it. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:18 - Nov 2 with 1049 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:29 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
You are the only one mentioned conspiracy theories or inside jobs.
I’m just not sure I believe the 8 mins part.
If it was genuinely 8 mins from 999 call to arrest it if feels there must have been some level of prior warning. That isn’t a conspiracy, it is just a suggestion there are details that haven’t this been released. |
The reports talk about the train driver being able to request assistance and re-route the train in 4 mins. The therefore likely had advance notice before the train arrived (it would have been a joint decision on where best to divert), so the police were likely on their way as the train was also on the way.
It’s an impressive response time that could be just an indication of the level of readiness or it could imply prior knowledge. I can see why the latter seems logical, but if there’s always a response team on standby it could have been a reactive response too. We just don’t know. It’s no problem to hypothesise, but not something to have and surety about.
I don’t got a minute but it’s a red flag operation, but I don’t think you’re saying that and have no idea why other posters would assume you’re talking about a conspiracy. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 18:24 - Nov 2 with 1022 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:07 - Nov 2 by DJR |
That's put the kibosh on this highly-rated Mail online comment that I set out earlier.
"The police are treating us with contempt by insulting our intelligence in this way. One person might be a random nutter, but two working together, not a chance."
What a sick world we live in, where a lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its trousers on. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:27]
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The media is to blame for so much of society's ills. Always has been. |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:24 - Nov 2 with 1025 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:18 - Nov 2 by Swansea_Blue |
The reports talk about the train driver being able to request assistance and re-route the train in 4 mins. The therefore likely had advance notice before the train arrived (it would have been a joint decision on where best to divert), so the police were likely on their way as the train was also on the way.
It’s an impressive response time that could be just an indication of the level of readiness or it could imply prior knowledge. I can see why the latter seems logical, but if there’s always a response team on standby it could have been a reactive response too. We just don’t know. It’s no problem to hypothesise, but not something to have and surety about.
I don’t got a minute but it’s a red flag operation, but I don’t think you’re saying that and have no idea why other posters would assume you’re talking about a conspiracy. |
My original thought was that perhaps they got intel via the darkweb about individual planning something. It happens daily. If it did it did if It wasn't then that's fine. What's impressive is 1 the actions of some onboard and 2 the actual effort of the emergency services. So aware or not aware doesn't matter they've clearly together managed to save some lives. Hopefully all. | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 18:50 - Nov 2 with 946 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:18 - Nov 2 by Swansea_Blue |
The reports talk about the train driver being able to request assistance and re-route the train in 4 mins. The therefore likely had advance notice before the train arrived (it would have been a joint decision on where best to divert), so the police were likely on their way as the train was also on the way.
It’s an impressive response time that could be just an indication of the level of readiness or it could imply prior knowledge. I can see why the latter seems logical, but if there’s always a response team on standby it could have been a reactive response too. We just don’t know. It’s no problem to hypothesise, but not something to have and surety about.
I don’t got a minute but it’s a red flag operation, but I don’t think you’re saying that and have no idea why other posters would assume you’re talking about a conspiracy. |
I do agree with your post in almost every way.
However, all I was doing, or trying to was question the 8 mins based on me living in Huntingdon. The BBC are even now saying somewhere between 10-15 mins.
I was in no way suggesting a conspiracy but another poster did and I just responded effectively saying I could see that logic. But that was some posts ago. I really was just questioning the logic behind the timing.
In reality it matters little and I shouldn’t have bothered questioning it and allowed myself to drawn to a debate ons petting that matters little.
A learning for me. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 19:04 - Nov 2 with 906 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:46 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
Ok. Doing some more digging…
The train was diverted onto a slow line arriving at Huntingdon station after 14 minutes, assume there have been some sort of decision time and organisation time prior to that. Ie checking options.
So the 8 mins claim by the police spokesman feels dubious and the actual response time not known currently. |
I tried to see things from your perspective, but that post looks a bit odd. If it took 14 mins for the train to arrive, you’d think the police from at most 6 mins away could have managed the journey during that 14 minutes. No? As soon as a diversion was requested by the train driver the police would have been involved. It was likely a joint decision as to where best stop the train. I don’t see why you’re plugging away at this when there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation (and none of us know anyway, so it’s suspicious to do vehemently defend a position that can only be a guess). | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 19:06 - Nov 2 with 893 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 18:24 - Nov 2 by FrimleyBlue |
My original thought was that perhaps they got intel via the darkweb about individual planning something. It happens daily. If it did it did if It wasn't then that's fine. What's impressive is 1 the actions of some onboard and 2 the actual effort of the emergency services. So aware or not aware doesn't matter they've clearly together managed to save some lives. Hopefully all. |
Chris I'd love to know what from that post you disagree with. | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 19:10 - Nov 2 with 865 views | djgooder |
| I don't know the train lines on 19:04 - Nov 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I tried to see things from your perspective, but that post looks a bit odd. If it took 14 mins for the train to arrive, you’d think the police from at most 6 mins away could have managed the journey during that 14 minutes. No? As soon as a diversion was requested by the train driver the police would have been involved. It was likely a joint decision as to where best stop the train. I don’t see why you’re plugging away at this when there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation (and none of us know anyway, so it’s suspicious to do vehemently defend a position that can only be a guess). |
Again. I was only questioning the logic of the 8 mins. If it took the train 14 mins. Albeit since then I’ve lost the article with the 14 mins in.
I agree I over thought something that doesn’t really matter.
All that really matters is that the police responded and arrested the guy. | | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 19:36 - Nov 2 with 788 views | lowhouseblue |
two attackers did seem very strange. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 20:40 - Nov 2 with 699 views | MVBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 19:36 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue |
two attackers did seem very strange. |
A lunatic boarding a train to stab strangers is strange and disturbing to me. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 22:09 - Nov 2 with 621 views | SitfcB |
By the way, when it was said that the police had responded and had people in custody within 8 minutes of the first call my first thought was well done to them on the quick response, nothing else - can’t believe there’s conspiracy about that on this thread. |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 22:30 - Nov 2 with 547 views | positivity |
| I don't know the train lines on 17:06 - Nov 2 by positivity |
he was brought up in france, so can't be expected to undestand british "natives"!
also a tax-dodger with convictions for assaulting male and female police officers who's sued by the army. typical right-wing grifter in other words.
at best he's a naive brit, but has the stench of something a bit more dangerous |
what is it about the convicted right-wing grifter that mr. budgie likes so much? |  |
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| I don't know the train lines on 22:46 - Nov 2 with 502 views | BloomBlue |
| I don't know the train lines on 16:24 - Nov 2 by djgooder |
If you look at the wiggly route in the map provided beating you might make it in 5 mins going police speed.
So to board a train, makes 2 arrests in three mins. And that’s assuming the team were sat in a van waiting to go. And in the decision to stop the train at Huntingdon as it wasn’t a designated stop etc etc |
Looking at the BBC news just now and witnesses on the train, they indicated the police tassered the suspect outside the station.
A taxi driver was near where it occurred and said the guy was shouting at the police to shoot him.
A girl who was on the train and had run to the buffet area to get away from him, said she was looking at him when the police arrested him - she was sitting in a taxi by then.
So that indicates the train had arrived at the station and passengers had run off the train, some had even been able to get into taxi's.
Maybe there is confusion of videos of the armed police running down the platform and assuming they're meeting the same time as the train arrives.
Certainly based on the witness on BBC news just now they didnt arrest the suspect on the train |  | | |
| I don't know the train lines on 23:40 - Nov 2 with 443 views | Ryorry |
| I don't know the train lines on 20:40 - Nov 2 by MVBlue |
A lunatic boarding a train to stab strangers is strange and disturbing to me. |
Think some if not all, even if they escaped physical harm, will be left with psychological trauma. One woman said she doesn't think she'll ever feel safe sitting on a train again. One Dad said his kid was covered in someone else's blood.
Really feel for them & others caught up in traumatic events like that | |
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| I don't know the train lines on 08:54 - Nov 3 with 290 views | DJR |
Interesting to hear Chris Philps, the shadow Home Secretary, on Sky News using figures on hospital admissions to claim things had improved under the Tories. | | | |
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