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For all that I have big criticisms of Johnson's actions in the past, he gave a pretty good speech there. We need co-operation even with people we don't usually agree with.
Rather than saying "Ah yes, but look how he has lied and let us down in the past" I'm saying to myself "Good speech, let's build on that and get something happening."
I'm playing the ball, not the man.
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Johnson can be exceptional with words, particularly with speeches where he can plan, but not actions. How can he make a plea to defend the climate yet have his chancellor cut duties on domestic flights, for example?
Johnson's opening speech. on 12:56 - Nov 1 by pointofblue
Johnson can be exceptional with words, particularly with speeches where he can plan, but not actions. How can he make a plea to defend the climate yet have his chancellor cut duties on domestic flights, for example?
This is it with him, it's all pantomime that isn't borne out in any of his policies. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, will come of it in concrete terms, but we've been here before many, many times
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Johnson's opening speech. on 12:56 - Nov 1 by pointofblue
Johnson can be exceptional with words, particularly with speeches where he can plan, but not actions. How can he make a plea to defend the climate yet have his chancellor cut duties on domestic flights, for example?
If there's enough positive momentum coming out of this conference, perhaps he will backtrack on that absolutely awful decision?
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Johnson's opening speech. on 13:00 - Nov 1 by footers
This is it with him, it's all pantomime that isn't borne out in any of his policies. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, will come of it in concrete terms, but we've been here before many, many times
Let's hope that, in the interests of the environment, he'll be growing this concrete locally, and not flown in, which would cause a massive carbon footprint.
Johnson's opening speech. on 13:02 - Nov 1 by NthQldITFC
If there's enough positive momentum coming out of this conference, perhaps he will backtrack on that absolutely awful decision?
But it's not like it just popped out of nowhere, is it? He knew it was coming yet still made that decision. So I'd still trust him as far as I could throw him, and I'm no caber tosser. Just the regular kind.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Johnson's opening speech. on 13:08 - Nov 1 by footers
But it's not like it just popped out of nowhere, is it? He knew it was coming yet still made that decision. So I'd still trust him as far as I could throw him, and I'm no caber tosser. Just the regular kind.
boris often has trouble with his thing popping out.
Is this the same PM who's engaged on a crash course with France and the EU on the NI border issue and fishing rights? Given his track record, I'd only ever judge him on his actions and not his words.
It would be good if we can build on those words though, of course.
Johnson's opening speech. on 12:56 - Nov 1 by pointofblue
Johnson can be exceptional with words, particularly with speeches where he can plan, but not actions. How can he make a plea to defend the climate yet have his chancellor cut duties on domestic flights, for example?
The tax on domestic flights is disproportionate. You pay more for return flights within the UK than you do on a flight to Barcelona.
Both Easyjet and Ryanair have plans to go electric as far as ground services are concerned, every little helps.
What would make sense is have a tariff that increases the more flights you make in a year. There is not a reasonable alternative to some domestic flights. Will be flying to City of Derry Airport in January, 75 minutes in the air, there really isn’t a viable alternative means of getting there.
Johnson's opening speech. on 13:08 - Nov 1 by footers
But it's not like it just popped out of nowhere, is it? He knew it was coming yet still made that decision. So I'd still trust him as far as I could throw him, and I'm no caber tosser. Just the regular kind.
Of course I agree with you, but as I say, I'm playing the ball, not the man...
...for now. I reserve the right to go in two-footed, studs at throat height later.
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He's very charismatic. He has made loads of speeches to big crowds and to VIPs before. He knows exactly how to play to the crowd.
He played to the crowd.
You've been played.
The problem is, as the French have expressed this week, once somebody indicates that they are willing to go back on legally binding international agreements when it suits them, they have no credibility. And he is the host of the "One Minute to Midnight" Climate Conference where legally binding international agreements need to be signed as a matter of utmost importance for ALL future generations.
People like Macron and Biden have been surrounded by speechwriter and bullshtters there entire lives. They have seen it all before, and will not be swayed by his rhetoric. I'd love to know what the Chinese delegation make of him!
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Johnson's opening speech. on 18:41 - Nov 1 with 929 views
Johnson's opening speech. on 13:22 - Nov 1 by Pinewoodblue
The tax on domestic flights is disproportionate. You pay more for return flights within the UK than you do on a flight to Barcelona.
Both Easyjet and Ryanair have plans to go electric as far as ground services are concerned, every little helps.
What would make sense is have a tariff that increases the more flights you make in a year. There is not a reasonable alternative to some domestic flights. Will be flying to City of Derry Airport in January, 75 minutes in the air, there really isn’t a viable alternative means of getting there.
It SHOULD be disproportionate. There are other reasonable means of getting from London to Manchester FFS
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Johnson's opening speech. on 19:43 - Nov 1 with 877 views
Johnson's opening speech. on 18:41 - Nov 1 by ZXBlue
It SHOULD be disproportionate. There are other reasonable means of getting from London to Manchester FFS
In the example I gave, 75 minutes flight., the quickest by public transport would be almost 20 hours.
550 miles by car, call it 11hours plus a ferry journey. My wife is disabled and 2.5 hrs is the maximum driving time a day.. There really is no reasonable alternative option to flying.
Like with most things I suspect 75+% of journeys are undertaken by a very small percentage of those who fly. I know a guy who for years commuted daily from Edinburgh to Heathrow. The more you fly the more you should pay towards environmental expenditure.
He is a good populist orator especially when he doesn't wander too far off his brief (which he too frequently does). However, even when he wanders off brief what he says probably plays well to his supporter base.
Johnson's opening speech. on 19:47 - Nov 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
He is a good populist orator especially when he doesn't wander too far off his brief (which he too frequently does). However, even when he wanders off brief what he says probably plays well to his supporter base.
Probably.
Because they're idiots.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
I'm glad he's finally (maybe?) come round to the damage climate change will inflict, but I find it really had to give him credit given that is was publicly mocking climate change less than a decade ago when literally nothing has changed since then.
He was in a very privileged position where he can obviously sway a lot of people's mind but instead chose to reinforce some people's beliefs that there was nothing to worry about.
human beings have become so blind with conceit and self-love that we genuinely believe that the fate of the planet is in our hands — when the reality is that everything, or almost everything, depends on the behaviour and caprice of the gigantic thermonuclear fireball around which we revolve
That was him in 2013. He was part of the problem, I do hope now there is some actions to follow up the words so that he becomes part of the solution.
Johnson's opening speech. on 12:56 - Nov 1 by pointofblue
Johnson can be exceptional with words, particularly with speeches where he can plan, but not actions. How can he make a plea to defend the climate yet have his chancellor cut duties on domestic flights, for example?
I *think* the increase in duty on long haul flights is expected to decrease demand and offset the likely increase in domestic flights. So it’s likely to be a carbon neutral budget with respect to flights. Or in other words it’s a pointless/irrelevant budget in relation to flights. Would have been much better to just leave domestic duty as it was, but I suppose they wanted a headline and have been lobbied by the industry.
Johnson's opening speech. on 20:07 - Nov 1 by DanTheMan
I'm glad he's finally (maybe?) come round to the damage climate change will inflict, but I find it really had to give him credit given that is was publicly mocking climate change less than a decade ago when literally nothing has changed since then.
He was in a very privileged position where he can obviously sway a lot of people's mind but instead chose to reinforce some people's beliefs that there was nothing to worry about.
human beings have become so blind with conceit and self-love that we genuinely believe that the fate of the planet is in our hands — when the reality is that everything, or almost everything, depends on the behaviour and caprice of the gigantic thermonuclear fireball around which we revolve
That was him in 2013. He was part of the problem, I do hope now there is some actions to follow up the words so that he becomes part of the solution.
Currently watching Dispatches on C4 and there is a huge gap between his rhetoric and what we're actually doing.
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