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MP's get to vote then on 15:29 - Jan 24 by WeWereZombies
Because that's how it came across?
I voted leave, but only just because I was aware that I hadn't the foggiest clue as to what would actually transpire. I don't regret it and would vote the same because I wasn't happy with the status quo.
If however things go disastrously wrong in the negotiations and we are left in a situation where its obvious that we will be seriously worse of at multiple levels then I'd like the chance to change my mind.
That said, I don't think they will! I'm expecting us to be worse off in many ways than we are now, but that it will be a price worth paying in the long run.
MP's get to vote then on 10:08 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue
Why would they even want to? The courts have ruled that the Jocks, Welsh and Northern Irish governments can't put a spoke in the wheels and MP's have already voted by 461 to 89 in favour of triggering Article 50 by the end of March.
Where does Ireland stand on Brexit? is it true that Ireland has been warned by EU that they cannot make bilateral agreements, on such things as freedom of movement, with the UK post Brexit ?
If the EU decided that all external borders must be secured how would this affect movement between the Republic and the North?
Of course if the country votes to leave the EU then, leave the EU it is. However I don't think many people realise what this means & it was never made clear. I only heard it mentined once that was by Mr Cameron but it was lost in the shouts from the leave group that he was scaremongering.
It is also very clear that many EU senior personnel have stated there is 'No half way house, you are either in or you are out'.
A senior (British) lawyer in European law has been explaining the process & stated there is no precedent for where we are but it is clear the UK will have to severe all ties with the EU then, afresh tell the EU which bits it wants to engage in & which bits it doesn't. That is pretty clear to anyone who has taken an interest in the substance rather than the YaBoo.
Where this takes things is not clear but, it seems certain that after the 'Great Repeal Bill' has been passed into Law the UK will then have to pass a number of internal (British) laws to set out an interim legal framework for just about every activity where the EU is realted to that activity & how long that will take with people like Bone, Redwood, et al involved is anyones guess.
But no one should be in any doubt that however the UK approaches the relationship with the EU - they hold all the aces & until our governemnt accept that it is going to be a very hard slog. I feel it is depressing that the main hope of those wanting to leave are hoping the EU will implode and would be very happy with the mayhem that follows.
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MP's get to vote then on 16:24 - Jan 24 with 1023 views
Of course if the country votes to leave the EU then, leave the EU it is. However I don't think many people realise what this means & it was never made clear. I only heard it mentined once that was by Mr Cameron but it was lost in the shouts from the leave group that he was scaremongering.
It is also very clear that many EU senior personnel have stated there is 'No half way house, you are either in or you are out'.
A senior (British) lawyer in European law has been explaining the process & stated there is no precedent for where we are but it is clear the UK will have to severe all ties with the EU then, afresh tell the EU which bits it wants to engage in & which bits it doesn't. That is pretty clear to anyone who has taken an interest in the substance rather than the YaBoo.
Where this takes things is not clear but, it seems certain that after the 'Great Repeal Bill' has been passed into Law the UK will then have to pass a number of internal (British) laws to set out an interim legal framework for just about every activity where the EU is realted to that activity & how long that will take with people like Bone, Redwood, et al involved is anyones guess.
But no one should be in any doubt that however the UK approaches the relationship with the EU - they hold all the aces & until our governemnt accept that it is going to be a very hard slog. I feel it is depressing that the main hope of those wanting to leave are hoping the EU will implode and would be very happy with the mayhem that follows.
" I only heard it mentined once that was by Mr Cameron but it was lost in the shouts from the leave group that he was scaremongering. "
Did you even bother reading the links or watching the videos? Both sides were very clear that a vote to leave would ,mean leaving the single market.
MP's get to vote then on 16:07 - Jan 24 by Pinewoodblue
Where does Ireland stand on Brexit? is it true that Ireland has been warned by EU that they cannot make bilateral agreements, on such things as freedom of movement, with the UK post Brexit ?
If the EU decided that all external borders must be secured how would this affect movement between the Republic and the North?
There are sure to be some issues raised if the UK leaves the Customs Union and does nothing between the UK & RoI borders. There were previously all sorts of Customs & Smuggling previously so there will have to be some controls & the EU may make that happen on the UK side OR not accept goods from the UK. That is why the Norwegian Minister said "fish does't stay fresh long at border controls'
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MP's get to vote then on 16:32 - Jan 24 with 998 views
MP's get to vote then on 16:32 - Jan 24 by giant_stow
If he has sealed his fate, at least he goes out with his head high while representing decency in politics.
Either that or he goes out ignoring the people who put him there in the first place. Can't see how you view it any other way. Well I can actually, complete and utter arrogance.
Interesting. Only 3 prepared to go against their constituencies referendum result according to that list. I'd have thought it would be higher.
Swansea's very own Geraint Davies is the one who's presented a private members bill asking for a second referendum on the terms of the withdrawal. Swimming against the tide I fear, as the leave voice is pretty strong down here (seems far stronger, for example, than the general feeling on TWTD). So he and the others who are going against their constituencies wishes are taking a risk with their own careers.
Ken Clarke getting a kicking on the comments . Don't see what he's done wrong myself as I've no problem with the MPs of remain constituencies voting against Article 50.
Either that or he goes out ignoring the people who put him there in the first place. Can't see how you view it any other way. Well I can actually, complete and utter arrogance.
Some of the people who put him there in the first place.
Either that or he goes out ignoring the people who put him there in the first place. Can't see how you view it any other way. Well I can actually, complete and utter arrogance.
I've no idea where you get arrogance from, but if arguing against a coup-like stitch up is arrogance, I'm guilty.
One question: when did anyone vote explicitly for leaving the single market? It wasn't during the referendum and I can't see how it was in the Tory manifesto at the last general election, as Dave wanted to stay in
I take it you have some figures supporting your assertion that he's going against the labour voters that put him in his seat in the first place?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
MP's get to vote then on 16:48 - Jan 24 by giant_stow
I've no idea where you get arrogance from, but if arguing against a coup-like stitch up is arrogance, I'm guilty.
One question: when did anyone vote explicitly for leaving the single market? It wasn't during the referendum and I can't see how it was in the Tory manifesto at the last general election, as Dave wanted to stay in
I take it you have some figures supporting your assertion that he's going against the labour voters that put him in his seat in the first place?
FFS
Fellow Remainers, please stop pretending Vote Leave said UK would stay in the single market. It didn't. Let's not join the fake news rush. pic.twitter.com/TrFHclaZ5c
What is your obsession with being a member of the single market? You can have access, as many non EU countries do, without being a member. Especially as we are the EU 's largest single export market and have a trade deficit with the EU.
It's the best of both worlds. Access to the single market, and end to freedom of movement, an opportunity to bring in new talented migrants from countries like India and the ability to sign bilateral trade deals with non EU countries.
You seem to be wanting to put all of your eggs in one basket.
MP's get to vote then on 16:48 - Jan 24 by giant_stow
I've no idea where you get arrogance from, but if arguing against a coup-like stitch up is arrogance, I'm guilty.
One question: when did anyone vote explicitly for leaving the single market? It wasn't during the referendum and I can't see how it was in the Tory manifesto at the last general election, as Dave wanted to stay in
I take it you have some figures supporting your assertion that he's going against the labour voters that put him in his seat in the first place?
This whole single market thing is simple the remainers' plan b and now that looks to have failed you're all throwing your toys out. As GB has posted several times, both sides said it would involve leaving the single market. Claiming this wasn't clear is just plan b to try and effectively keep us in the EU via the backdoor.
You've got me on the Labour voters but the one stat we do have is that his constituency voted to leave and he is going against that. I hope he pays for it.
Arrogance because you think your opinion is worth more than the opinion of leave voters. You're so sure your opinion is the right one that the end will justify any means if you can block Brexit.
MP's get to vote then on 16:48 - Jan 24 by giant_stow
I've no idea where you get arrogance from, but if arguing against a coup-like stitch up is arrogance, I'm guilty.
One question: when did anyone vote explicitly for leaving the single market? It wasn't during the referendum and I can't see how it was in the Tory manifesto at the last general election, as Dave wanted to stay in
I take it you have some figures supporting your assertion that he's going against the labour voters that put him in his seat in the first place?
I don't understand your last line.
He implicitly must be going against them given labour got a majority at the GE but leave won the referendum in his constituency.
It's impossible to be anything else unless you're saying no labour voters bothered voting in the referendum on his constituency.
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MP's get to vote then on 16:59 - Jan 24 with 918 views
MP's get to vote then on 16:54 - Jan 24 by GlasgowBlue
FFS
Fellow Remainers, please stop pretending Vote Leave said UK would stay in the single market. It didn't. Let's not join the fake news rush. pic.twitter.com/TrFHclaZ5c
What is your obsession with being a member of the single market? You can have access, as many non EU countries do, without being a member. Especially as we are the EU 's largest single export market and have a trade deficit with the EU.
It's the best of both worlds. Access to the single market, and end to freedom of movement, an opportunity to bring in new talented migrants from countries like India and the ability to sign bilateral trade deals with non EU countries.
You seem to be wanting to put all of your eggs in one basket.
Its no use ffs-ing me GB! I gave you my opinion on that post in last week's thread - repeating it doesn't convince.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
This whole single market thing is simple the remainers' plan b and now that looks to have failed you're all throwing your toys out. As GB has posted several times, both sides said it would involve leaving the single market. Claiming this wasn't clear is just plan b to try and effectively keep us in the EU via the backdoor.
You've got me on the Labour voters but the one stat we do have is that his constituency voted to leave and he is going against that. I hope he pays for it.
Arrogance because you think your opinion is worth more than the opinion of leave voters. You're so sure your opinion is the right one that the end will justify any means if you can block Brexit.
Can you please stop repeating politicians' lies and alternative facts?
This whole single market thing is simple the remainers' plan b and now that looks to have failed you're all throwing your toys out. As GB has posted several times, both sides said it would involve leaving the single market. Claiming this wasn't clear is just plan b to try and effectively keep us in the EU via the backdoor.
You've got me on the Labour voters but the one stat we do have is that his constituency voted to leave and he is going against that. I hope he pays for it.
Arrogance because you think your opinion is worth more than the opinion of leave voters. You're so sure your opinion is the right one that the end will justify any means if you can block Brexit.
You silly sod! I'm arguing in a debate - I'm allowed to do that - its called freedom of speach! I didn't say my opinion was more important - you did. If anything isn't it arrogant to argue that we all have to fall into line?
You haven't answered my question.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
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. Don't see what he's done wrong myself as I've no problem with the MPs of remain constituencies voting against Article 50. 
