| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:53 - Jan 31 with 900 views | jimmyvet |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:38 - Jan 31 by BorisOrTrevor |
Ok ok. Why is Trumps behaviour, to re assess who should and shouldn't be able to come in to the US, any worse than Obamas poliicy of bombing most of these countries to engineer outcomes favourable to the US?
What came first, the chicken or the egg, or indeed the bombing of what were relatively stable countries and the refugees. No questioning of that policy in the press just pressure to accept refugees. Alternatively with Trump, just questioning of his refugees policy/desire to control borders (backed by an election mandate I may add), no assessment of his desire to stop fu*kimg these countries up by way if further intervention. Countries like Iran couldn't care less about these closed borders, they just use it as an additional way to thumb their noses at the US, just as they are doing with what looks more and more like a joke nuclear deal as they continue to test ballistic missile technology in flagrant breaches. |
Because BOT that doesn't fit the lefts political agenda.....they are happy for Putin to murder 1000s, Happy for Obama to have caused the deaths of 1000s of innocent women and children with his disastrous foreign policies, but not happy for an elected politician who told the whole world what he was going to do and get elected to carry it out. Again I repeat I believe it is a foolish and ill thought through policy but this has nothing to do with that. The left in their little bubble are convinced the silent majority hate the US and its citizens as much as they do.......Putin can even invade another country and the left don't say a word....again the silent majority realise what a quality operator Theresa May is and how she appears the only true global statesperson at the moment and also how she cares for our great nation unlike Corbyn and his comrades and those that shout a lot on this forum....... |  | |  |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 09:49 - Jan 31 with 876 views | BorisOrTrevor |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:53 - Jan 31 by jimmyvet |
Because BOT that doesn't fit the lefts political agenda.....they are happy for Putin to murder 1000s, Happy for Obama to have caused the deaths of 1000s of innocent women and children with his disastrous foreign policies, but not happy for an elected politician who told the whole world what he was going to do and get elected to carry it out. Again I repeat I believe it is a foolish and ill thought through policy but this has nothing to do with that. The left in their little bubble are convinced the silent majority hate the US and its citizens as much as they do.......Putin can even invade another country and the left don't say a word....again the silent majority realise what a quality operator Theresa May is and how she appears the only true global statesperson at the moment and also how she cares for our great nation unlike Corbyn and his comrades and those that shout a lot on this forum....... |
I should of course add that Iraq, Syria and Yemen are virtual proxies of Iran in any case. This is the same Iran that has vowed death and destruction to the US, which recently held annual celebrations to mark the day last year where they caught US sailors in their waters, who fund Hezbollah etc etc. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:29 - Jan 31 with 867 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 08:10 - Jan 31 by flimflam |
Firstly its not a muslim ban so the MSM mis reporting that.
Also noone batted an eyelid when Obama restricted access from Iraq for 6 months in 2011
And the list of 7 countries was taken from a list drawn up by Obama's administration
Why people are so bothered by all this is beyond me. Trump love him or hate him is doing exactly what he said he would but do not see why he is saturated on the news over here as getting bored of it all now. Last time I looked I lived in the UK [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 8:11]
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The people protesting don't really give a damn about the people who are affected by this executive order.
What they're really protesting is Trump being elected and the fall of the neo liberal political establishment which has had power for far too long. Give Trump a chance to see if he can clean up the place and reverse much of the harm done by the Bush and Obama regimes.
These people protesting only support democracy when it gives them the result they want. They'd rather have a dictatorship who agrees either them in power. Several neo liberals have told me this. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 10:31]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 11:24 - Jan 31 with 844 views | Darth_Koont |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:29 - Jan 31 by The_Last_Baron |
The people protesting don't really give a damn about the people who are affected by this executive order.
What they're really protesting is Trump being elected and the fall of the neo liberal political establishment which has had power for far too long. Give Trump a chance to see if he can clean up the place and reverse much of the harm done by the Bush and Obama regimes.
These people protesting only support democracy when it gives them the result they want. They'd rather have a dictatorship who agrees either them in power. Several neo liberals have told me this. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 10:31]
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Neo-liberals? This is the establishment protesting?
Lots of words but not much sense.
I think you can follow the path of least resistance and say that anti-Trump sentiment comes from all over the spectrum. The common theme is people think Trump is dangerous, either through his words, his lies and now his actions. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 16:47 - Jan 31 with 823 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 00:58 - Jan 31 by The_Last_Baron |
Think you may have to recalibrate your political compass laddie.
The BBC are neo liberal far left for starters. As a publicly funded body its time they were reigned in and their pro Hillary and anti Brexit bias extinguished. They're a national disgrace. |
The creative side is but the news element are far from that
Andrew Neal, Nick Robinson and Laura Kuenssberg are very much Tories
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/14/bbc-political-bias-news-nick-robin [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 16:52]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 16:48 - Jan 31 with 818 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 07:40 - Jan 31 by imsureazzure |
Bloody hell, how wrong can one be? |
Go on then, elaborate
Whilst the BBC's creative sides are left wing, the News Element is very much in favour of the Tories | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 16:51 - Jan 31 with 817 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 10:29 - Jan 31 by The_Last_Baron |
The people protesting don't really give a damn about the people who are affected by this executive order.
What they're really protesting is Trump being elected and the fall of the neo liberal political establishment which has had power for far too long. Give Trump a chance to see if he can clean up the place and reverse much of the harm done by the Bush and Obama regimes.
These people protesting only support democracy when it gives them the result they want. They'd rather have a dictatorship who agrees either them in power. Several neo liberals have told me this. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 10:31]
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So you think it's alright to ban entire nations because they might have terrorists in them?
Can you imagine being Muslim in America currently, I'd find it very uncomfortable. We live in a joined up world, we can't label people like this, it's divisive
This is exactly want ISIS want, by doing this, they've already won
People have short memories, we had internal terrorism with Northern Ireland and did some terrible things to protect us from the IRA. We understand terrorism far better than the American's and handle it in a far mature manner. We had mainland bombings costing billions of pounds, it didn't make us ban all Irish people. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:26]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:07 - Jan 31 with 801 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 00:22 - Jan 31 by bournemouthblue |
That would be our media who are primarily right wing, the idea they'd some how be in cahoots with centre-left is nuts
The Guardian is pretty much middle or slightly centre left
The Mirror is pretty much populist centrism
Independent - centre
Huffington Post - liberal
FT - liberal
What else have you got
Daily Mail - approaching far right
The Sun - populist right wing
The Telegraph - classical right wing
The Times - The intellectual right wing
The Express - populist right win
The BBC have become moderate right wing
ITV right wing
Sky right wing
Is our media really that balanced now?
The fact is, this policy is divisive and a tremendously simplistic view of how terrorism works. The US already has pretty stringent border controls.
They face more risk from their own citizens armed with guns than any fundamentalist Islam. I believe a Mosque in Texas was burnt down following Trump’s ban?
This kind of politics encourages hate and it's very dangerous. Should we be letting a leader into our country for a state visit with these kind of policies
Why would we want to do a deal with this man? [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 16:44]
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BBC are left wing and politically correct. The Mirror is the official newspaper of Labour so left wing rather than centre left under Corbyn anyway. The BBC are a disgrace and to think in 2017 we have to pay a tax to fund them. Not much more socialist or left wing than that. We get it you are a Labour party supporter/member. I think you have bigger things to worry about like why your leader is a idiot and cant control his own party. |  |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:20 - Jan 31 with 788 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:07 - Jan 31 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
BBC are left wing and politically correct. The Mirror is the official newspaper of Labour so left wing rather than centre left under Corbyn anyway. The BBC are a disgrace and to think in 2017 we have to pay a tax to fund them. Not much more socialist or left wing than that. We get it you are a Labour party supporter/member. I think you have bigger things to worry about like why your leader is a idiot and cant control his own party. |
The BBC News arm are more moderate right I'd suggest, look at the people in charge of their news team
Andrew Neal - current chairman of the Press Holdings group who own the Telegraph and Spectator
Nick Robinson - A former member of the Young Conservatives
Laura Kuenssberg
The BBC are at best Blairite but more likely moderately Tory
The Mirror are Blairite
Labour are shifted to the left under Corbyn but are only centre-left and by no means Marxist as the Sun and Daily Mail will tell you
The Tories want to put six Tories on the board of thirteen at the BBC, it's basically been assimilated by the right any way. The Tories would privatise it as they could.
It still produces quality content and advert free television is a real pleasure
Labour's biggest problem isn't Corbyn, it's the SNP
I'm probably more aligned with the Greens than Labour by the way but that's not the point here. You don't have to be aligned to any particular party to know Trump is a bad egg.
This is dangerous politics from Trump, we seem to have government who are happy to sup with devil just for a deal. I think that's an appalling state of affairs.
We can't roll out the red carpet for someone with these kinds of views, it justifies his actions and only feeds his ego [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:25]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:26 - Jan 31 with 771 views | imsureazzure |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:20 - Jan 31 by bournemouthblue |
The BBC News arm are more moderate right I'd suggest, look at the people in charge of their news team
Andrew Neal - current chairman of the Press Holdings group who own the Telegraph and Spectator
Nick Robinson - A former member of the Young Conservatives
Laura Kuenssberg
The BBC are at best Blairite but more likely moderately Tory
The Mirror are Blairite
Labour are shifted to the left under Corbyn but are only centre-left and by no means Marxist as the Sun and Daily Mail will tell you
The Tories want to put six Tories on the board of thirteen at the BBC, it's basically been assimilated by the right any way. The Tories would privatise it as they could.
It still produces quality content and advert free television is a real pleasure
Labour's biggest problem isn't Corbyn, it's the SNP
I'm probably more aligned with the Greens than Labour by the way but that's not the point here. You don't have to be aligned to any particular party to know Trump is a bad egg.
This is dangerous politics from Trump, we seem to have government who are happy to sup with devil just for a deal. I think that's an appalling state of affairs.
We can't roll out the red carpet for someone with these kinds of views, it justifies his actions and only feeds his ego [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:25]
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There we have the left wing analysis in a nutshell.
"Labour's biggest problem isn't Corbyn, it's the SNP"
It is never the labour parties fault, it is the Tories, it is the rich, it is the bankers, it is the SNP.
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:27 - Jan 31 with 766 views | No9 |
Very true & the BBC have either been got at or have had a re-think on what news is, it is no longer objective but very much subjective to what the tories want to be broadcast. | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:29 - Jan 31 with 759 views | No9 |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 16:51 - Jan 31 by bournemouthblue |
So you think it's alright to ban entire nations because they might have terrorists in them?
Can you imagine being Muslim in America currently, I'd find it very uncomfortable. We live in a joined up world, we can't label people like this, it's divisive
This is exactly want ISIS want, by doing this, they've already won
People have short memories, we had internal terrorism with Northern Ireland and did some terrible things to protect us from the IRA. We understand terrorism far better than the American's and handle it in a far mature manner. We had mainland bombings costing billions of pounds, it didn't make us ban all Irish people. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:26]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:31 - Jan 31 with 756 views | No9 |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:07 - Jan 31 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
BBC are left wing and politically correct. The Mirror is the official newspaper of Labour so left wing rather than centre left under Corbyn anyway. The BBC are a disgrace and to think in 2017 we have to pay a tax to fund them. Not much more socialist or left wing than that. We get it you are a Labour party supporter/member. I think you have bigger things to worry about like why your leader is a idiot and cant control his own party. |
How do you come to the conclusion the Andrew Neil programmes are anything other than right wing? | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:34 - Jan 31 with 757 views | Darth_Koont |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:20 - Jan 31 by bournemouthblue |
The BBC News arm are more moderate right I'd suggest, look at the people in charge of their news team
Andrew Neal - current chairman of the Press Holdings group who own the Telegraph and Spectator
Nick Robinson - A former member of the Young Conservatives
Laura Kuenssberg
The BBC are at best Blairite but more likely moderately Tory
The Mirror are Blairite
Labour are shifted to the left under Corbyn but are only centre-left and by no means Marxist as the Sun and Daily Mail will tell you
The Tories want to put six Tories on the board of thirteen at the BBC, it's basically been assimilated by the right any way. The Tories would privatise it as they could.
It still produces quality content and advert free television is a real pleasure
Labour's biggest problem isn't Corbyn, it's the SNP
I'm probably more aligned with the Greens than Labour by the way but that's not the point here. You don't have to be aligned to any particular party to know Trump is a bad egg.
This is dangerous politics from Trump, we seem to have government who are happy to sup with devil just for a deal. I think that's an appalling state of affairs.
We can't roll out the red carpet for someone with these kinds of views, it justifies his actions and only feeds his ego [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:25]
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Kuenssberg is the problem in a nutshell. It's not her slight right bias that's a problem but it's her transparent love of the political game that does me in.
If the BBC are going to offer some balance and objectivity to the majority right-wing and/or populist press in this country, they'll never do it through being an accomplice in the generally slack political debate. They need to detach themselves from the politicking and address the real issues rather more than they've been doing recently. | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:39 - Jan 31 with 746 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:26 - Jan 31 by imsureazzure |
There we have the left wing analysis in a nutshell.
"Labour's biggest problem isn't Corbyn, it's the SNP"
It is never the labour parties fault, it is the Tories, it is the rich, it is the bankers, it is the SNP.
Stop shooting your gullibility from the hip. |
1 + 1 = 5 
There's the Tories problem right there, oversimplifying things for an easy narrative. It's why right wing arguments tend to win out in the media circle
One of the biggest problems with TV News is they dumb down complicated issues, giving binary explanations for far deeper issues | |
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:41 - Jan 31 with 732 views | bournemouthblue |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:34 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
Kuenssberg is the problem in a nutshell. It's not her slight right bias that's a problem but it's her transparent love of the political game that does me in.
If the BBC are going to offer some balance and objectivity to the majority right-wing and/or populist press in this country, they'll never do it through being an accomplice in the generally slack political debate. They need to detach themselves from the politicking and address the real issues rather more than they've been doing recently. |
Agreed on that, our politics needs to grow up full stop
I'd reform our system and regulate the media and fake news. Look at the hate preached by the Sun and Daily Mail, it's disgraceful. When they are proved to be wrong they simply publish a small apology in a middle page
We hear a lot about Fake News nowaday but I'll give you a bit of Fake News
Hillsborough from the Sun Newspaper, what a disgrace that was! [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:42]
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| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:43 - Jan 31 with 720 views | No9 |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:34 - Jan 31 by Darth_Koont |
Kuenssberg is the problem in a nutshell. It's not her slight right bias that's a problem but it's her transparent love of the political game that does me in.
If the BBC are going to offer some balance and objectivity to the majority right-wing and/or populist press in this country, they'll never do it through being an accomplice in the generally slack political debate. They need to detach themselves from the politicking and address the real issues rather more than they've been doing recently. |
Since Ms Kuenssburg arrived at the BBC it is no longer a 'rely on ' news channel. Although to be fair the radio is much better but of course a lot of young people would never listen to the sort of radio programme that deals with politics & curent affairs.
Since June BBC tv has got worse broadcasting some real rubbish e.g they were on about new farming methods that would eliminate the need for Eastern country wokers in agriculture - trouible is they were only showing stuff that was on Anglai TV in the 60's & 70's | | | |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:44 - Jan 31 with 721 views | imsureazzure |
| Are the Tories being deliberately incompetent on the world stage on 17:39 - Jan 31 by bournemouthblue |
1 + 1 = 5
There's the Tories problem right there, oversimplifying things for an easy narrative. It's why right wing arguments tend to win out in the media circle
One of the biggest problems with TV News is they dumb down complicated issues, giving binary explanations for far deeper issues |
If you believe the labour party's biggest problem is the SNP then all hope is gone.
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