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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 03:03 - Feb 19 by Binner
Yes.
And Glassers, for one, is still maintaining that Trump was the safer bet because (he believes that) Mrs Clinton would have been the more likely of the two to provoke a nuclear conflagration. (Apologies, GB, if I'm misrepresenting your view from a few days ago...)
GB also maintained, from the beginning, that Pence becoming president after a year or so was the best option long term. He isn't a Trump loyalist.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 10:16 - Feb 19 by J2BLUE
GB also maintained, from the beginning, that Pence becoming president after a year or so was the best option long term. He isn't a Trump loyalist.
He is, however, an utterly terrifying dead-eyed religious fundamentalist who, by dint of of the fact that he's an actual 'proper' political' would manage to be genuinely worse in several ways than Trump. I'm not sure that qualifies him as a 'best' option.
and then there's Actual Paid Up Nazi Steve Bannon, a man to whom nearly all the US cabinet owe big time for their current positions. I can't see him getting the push if Putin's Agent Orange were to go.
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I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 09:27 - Feb 19 by shamboy
He will last the four years, but all power will be removed from the office of president. That's the process that has started. Far easier and less damaging than impeachment.
Question - isn't it surprising that the Russians are ahead of America when it comes to breaching cyber security?
The difference may of course be that the Russians like to drop hints about how good they are at it. The Yanks, having been taught all they know about espionage and counter-intelligence by us Brits, may simply keep their prowess quieter.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 10:21 - Feb 19 by BlueBadger
He is, however, an utterly terrifying dead-eyed religious fundamentalist who, by dint of of the fact that he's an actual 'proper' political' would manage to be genuinely worse in several ways than Trump. I'm not sure that qualifies him as a 'best' option.
and then there's Actual Paid Up Nazi Steve Bannon, a man to whom nearly all the US cabinet owe big time for their current positions. I can't see him getting the push if Putin's Agent Orange were to go.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 09:27 - Feb 19 by shamboy
He will last the four years, but all power will be removed from the office of president. That's the process that has started. Far easier and less damaging than impeachment.
Question - isn't it surprising that the Russians are ahead of America when it comes to breaching cyber security?
No, it is not surprising that they are good at it. (I am sure that there are people in the US who are just as good)
Two reasons
1. The old eastern/central european countries have an ongoing tradition of valuing, encouraging and providing good scientific and technical education. (As do China, Japan, Korea and to a lesser extent India.) That is one reason why you see so many Poles, Hungarians and Bulgarians in UK IT development centres and so many Asians in US development centres.
2. Until the fall of the Berlin Wall, the old Soviet Empire companies were denied access to US, Japanese and European computer technology. They got hold of computers and cloned them, but had to develop their own deep technical expertise at machine code and OS level to support and maintain them. When we first started to go to Russia, Poland, Czech, Hungary in the ealry '90s we were astonished at the number of people who were quite happy to dive into OS, NDL type code without a care in the world.
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 11:24 - Feb 19 with 1510 views
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 09:35 - Feb 19 by lowhouseblue
attacking the 'mainstream media' (as opposed to challenging the basis of particular news stories) always has been a strategy to deflect attention and undermine proper scrutiny. that's been true when putin and his supporters do it and it's been true when people pushing an alt-right anti state agenda do it. it's a tactic to smear and diminish the news outlets which are confronting those people, the only thing new about 'fake news' at present is that it is a president trying to escape all scrutiny.
And it's been true when tony Blair, Alastair Campbell and their illegal war mongering friends did it
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 03:03 - Feb 19 by Binner
Yes.
And Glassers, for one, is still maintaining that Trump was the safer bet because (he believes that) Mrs Clinton would have been the more likely of the two to provoke a nuclear conflagration. (Apologies, GB, if I'm misrepresenting your view from a few days ago...)
I stand by that. We were sleepwalking into a confrontation with Russia. Russia weren't blameless but Clinton and Putin were a toxic mix with mutual loathing.
I maintain Trump is a much needed pause in American/Russian tensions.
I also maintain that now we have that pause it would be beneficial to all if the Trump Presidency came to an end sooner rather than later.
Pence, although probably more right wing than Trump, would be easier to control by the Republican party whereas Trump is an independent who used the Republican banner to get elected.
The likes of Banon would be dismissed in a far more party organised administration.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 12:35 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue
I stand by that. We were sleepwalking into a confrontation with Russia. Russia weren't blameless but Clinton and Putin were a toxic mix with mutual loathing.
I maintain Trump is a much needed pause in American/Russian tensions.
I also maintain that now we have that pause it would be beneficial to all if the Trump Presidency came to an end sooner rather than later.
Pence, although probably more right wing than Trump, would be easier to control by the Republican party whereas Trump is an independent who used the Republican banner to get elected.
The likes of Banon would be dismissed in a far more party organised administration.
Most people with a mutual personal loathing manage to keep themselves within limits, because they are at least just about sane.
Good luck with trying to control a loose cannon, esp if there's a falling out between megolomaniacs.
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 12:35 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue
I stand by that. We were sleepwalking into a confrontation with Russia. Russia weren't blameless but Clinton and Putin were a toxic mix with mutual loathing.
I maintain Trump is a much needed pause in American/Russian tensions.
I also maintain that now we have that pause it would be beneficial to all if the Trump Presidency came to an end sooner rather than later.
Pence, although probably more right wing than Trump, would be easier to control by the Republican party whereas Trump is an independent who used the Republican banner to get elected.
The likes of Banon would be dismissed in a far more party organised administration.
This was the line trotted out- but I have no good reason to think it was true. It assumes that Clinton is stupid and sought a war, which seems highly unlikely.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 13:20 - Feb 19 by sparks
This was the line trotted out- but I have no good reason to think it was true. It assumes that Clinton is stupid and sought a war, which seems highly unlikely.
Which Clinton.
The main reason Trump got in was the universal loathing of Hilary.
Awful and corrupt creature.
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 13:51 - Feb 19 with 1344 views
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 03:03 - Feb 19 by Binner
Yes.
And Glassers, for one, is still maintaining that Trump was the safer bet because (he believes that) Mrs Clinton would have been the more likely of the two to provoke a nuclear conflagration. (Apologies, GB, if I'm misrepresenting your view from a few days ago...)
Seems to me that democracy is increasingly a choice over whether to let somebody cr@p in your mouth or puke into it ! Re the original footage, has it been "demonstrably shown that 'the Russians' (whatever that means) hacked the DNC" or has it just been said so many times that it must be true ? Genuinely unsure...I've certainly not seen it (unless it's simply the claim that American security sources say so ! )....but I may have missed it.
Edit...for clarity IMO Trump is a total head case/sociopath/psycho....no wonder he's doing so well really....the world is made for him !
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 13:42 - Feb 19 by Townly
Which Clinton.
The main reason Trump got in was the universal loathing of Hilary.
Awful and corrupt creature.
If you take a look at American politics over the last 40 years you should be able to see that factions of the Republican party are the epitomy of 'Fake News' all Trump is doing is turning it on itself to make his claims seem real .
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 13:58 - Feb 19 with 1324 views
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 11:24 - Feb 19 by vapour_trail
And it's been true when tony Blair, Alastair Campbell and their illegal war mongering friends did it
#partoftheproblem
pardon? they fell out with parts of the press and parts of the press challenged them robustly. but blair never sought to rubbish the mainstream media.robust debate isn't bad, challenging news tories isn't bad. but seeking to present the media as inherently dishonest is done by people like trump and putin in order to escape scrutiny.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 15:00 - Feb 19 with 1246 views
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 13:20 - Feb 19 by sparks
This was the line trotted out- but I have no good reason to think it was true. It assumes that Clinton is stupid and sought a war, which seems highly unlikely.
Wars are rarely started because one side wants to start one. They are usually started by brinkmanship, posturing and One-upmanship
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 14:15 - Feb 19 by sparks
Do you have some evidence of this corruption?
One would have thought if ther were any real skeletons in the Clinto cupboard Newt Gingrich would have found them , unless of course he was trying to conceal many of his own?
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 15:12 - Feb 19 with 1206 views
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 15:00 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue
Wars are rarely started because one side wants to start one. They are usually started by brinkmanship, posturing and One-upmanship
Which really hasnt been the case from the US side under Obama, despite Clinton's position in that administration.
Russia on the other hand have been forcibly annexing neighbours... There is an issue here, and appeasement is a worrying approach in many ways.
Quite frankly though, some fear about locking horns with Russia (based on very little substance really) is not a good reason for supporting someone who is an egomaniac racist bigot, who denies science, denies climate change, and is intent on provoking both the chinese and the Islamic world in a much less subtle manner than Clinton would ever have dreamt of provoking russia.
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett)
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 15:13 - Feb 19 by sparks
Which really hasnt been the case from the US side under Obama, despite Clinton's position in that administration.
Russia on the other hand have been forcibly annexing neighbours... There is an issue here, and appeasement is a worrying approach in many ways.
Quite frankly though, some fear about locking horns with Russia (based on very little substance really) is not a good reason for supporting someone who is an egomaniac racist bigot, who denies science, denies climate change, and is intent on provoking both the chinese and the Islamic world in a much less subtle manner than Clinton would ever have dreamt of provoking russia.
Trump either too stupid, too shortsighted, too selfish, too greedy, too uncaring - or any combination thereof - to realise that climate change is one of the biggest, most fundamental threats there is to the USA and ROW. So he's appointed climate change denier Scott Pruit to head their Environmental Protection Agency
Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 12:35 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue
I stand by that. We were sleepwalking into a confrontation with Russia. Russia weren't blameless but Clinton and Putin were a toxic mix with mutual loathing.
I maintain Trump is a much needed pause in American/Russian tensions.
I also maintain that now we have that pause it would be beneficial to all if the Trump Presidency came to an end sooner rather than later.
Pence, although probably more right wing than Trump, would be easier to control by the Republican party whereas Trump is an independent who used the Republican banner to get elected.
The likes of Banon would be dismissed in a far more party organised administration.
There's very little chance of Trump being impeached and removed from office - and if he were removed from office or he was assassinated, the resulting civil unrest in America would be extremely violent/unpredictable. Can't think how that could possibly be better for anyone.
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Trump is completely out of control... this Fox piece.. on 15:44 - Feb 19 with 1128 views
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