| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? 11:12 - May 23 with 6230 views | BergholtBru |
Well, it`s amazing what people will do when they believe God is on their side! |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 with 3464 views | Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:25 - May 23 with 3424 views | Kievthegreat |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 by Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |
The far right and 'religious' extremists are 2 cheeks of the same Ar5e. |  | | |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:52 - May 23 with 3358 views | Gromheort |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 by Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |
Political motivated groups though are easier to control, given they are easier to infiltrate. I suppose the issue with religious terrorism are the reasons behind it growth. To some extent, it will be about power asymmetries and therefore the perceived rationality in supporting non-traditional conflict. Foreign policy then is key. However, it will also reflect historical aspects (such as Daesh and the caliphate). That shouldn't be consistent with islamophobia mind you, given the majority of victims are muslim. |  | | |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:57 - May 23 with 3337 views | MJallday |
bbc just said theyve arrested someone in connection with last night
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:58 - May 23 with 3335 views | homer_123 |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 by Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |
Surely isn't more to do with the fact that it's sod all to do with religion and more to do with human nature and the desire for power and control. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:04 - May 23 with 3309 views | BergholtBru |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:58 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Surely isn't more to do with the fact that it's sod all to do with religion and more to do with human nature and the desire for power and control. |
It isn`t human nature to blow yourself up. Unless you believe that something good is going to happen to you afterwards. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:05 - May 23 with 3302 views | homer_123 |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:04 - May 23 by BergholtBru |
It isn`t human nature to blow yourself up. Unless you believe that something good is going to happen to you afterwards. |
Our desire to have power and control means that things like religion are used to brain wash others into doing such things.....it is absolutely to do with our human nature...sadly. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:05 - May 23 with 3300 views | Darth_Koont |
Or culture or race or ideology or anything else you care to mention on their side.
Extremism flourishes when people are ignorant and unable/unwilling to see situations from other people's perspectives. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:15 - May 23 with 3230 views | Gromheort |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:05 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Our desire to have power and control means that things like religion are used to brain wash others into doing such things.....it is absolutely to do with our human nature...sadly. |
I think we have to be careful in overplaying the brainwashing card. I'm sure it happens, but evidence from the Israel/Palestine problems has shown that support for terrorism doesn't necessarily fall with education. | | | |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:23 - May 23 with 3169 views | sparks |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 by Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |
I can't agree. Marxist terrorists did not do things because of atheist beliefs. Religious terrorism is however driven by the underlying beliefs whether in whole or part.
The fervent belief that something is God's will can overcome anything in the way of social or psychological limiters, given the right circumstances. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:23 - May 23 with 3165 views | legoman |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:21 - May 23 by Guthrum |
Yes, they also found hospitals and charities. And atheist Marxist terrorists used to commit atrocities when they thought they had history on their side.
Religion is less of the issue than extremist positions in general. |
Disagree. Terrorist losers do not believe in god but they prey on believers to carry out their perverse acts because they are weakened by their belief imo. [Post edited 23 May 2017 12:25]
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:28 - May 23 with 3135 views | Darth_Koont |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:23 - May 23 by legoman |
Disagree. Terrorist losers do not believe in god but they prey on believers to carry out their perverse acts because they are weakened by their belief imo. [Post edited 23 May 2017 12:25]
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Actually, they tend to do best with non-believers who are disenfranchised who they convert at a late stage into dangerous zealots.
There doesn't seem to be much of a link between devout believers and terrorism. Not when it comes to the home-grown terrorists we're seeing in the West, and seemingly many of the combatants in the Middle East too from what I gather. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:38 - May 23 with 3083 views | giant_stow |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:23 - May 23 by sparks |
I can't agree. Marxist terrorists did not do things because of atheist beliefs. Religious terrorism is however driven by the underlying beliefs whether in whole or part.
The fervent belief that something is God's will can overcome anything in the way of social or psychological limiters, given the right circumstances. |
"Marxist terrorists did not do things because of atheist beliefs. "
Guthram didn't say that - he said they might commit atrocities because they believed they had history on their side. People don't need religion as an excuse to do terrible things - anything will do: power, politics, money. you know that. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:40 - May 23 with 3069 views | DanTheMan |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:28 - May 23 by Darth_Koont |
Actually, they tend to do best with non-believers who are disenfranchised who they convert at a late stage into dangerous zealots.
There doesn't seem to be much of a link between devout believers and terrorism. Not when it comes to the home-grown terrorists we're seeing in the West, and seemingly many of the combatants in the Middle East too from what I gather. |
There was a murder in the USA the other day when a Neo-Nazi converted to Islam and then murdered his two Neo-Nazi flatmates for insulting his religion.
Whilst investigating the murder, police then found another flatmate was making a bomb. Weird stuff. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:41 - May 23 with 3059 views | Guthrum |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:23 - May 23 by sparks |
I can't agree. Marxist terrorists did not do things because of atheist beliefs. Religious terrorism is however driven by the underlying beliefs whether in whole or part.
The fervent belief that something is God's will can overcome anything in the way of social or psychological limiters, given the right circumstances. |
I wasn't saying they did it because of their atheism (I know some pretty militant atheists, but none of them that kind of extreme), more that religion is not the only driver of terrorism. Political beliefs can be just as potent. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 with 3023 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:40 - May 23 by DanTheMan |
There was a murder in the USA the other day when a Neo-Nazi converted to Islam and then murdered his two Neo-Nazi flatmates for insulting his religion.
Whilst investigating the murder, police then found another flatmate was making a bomb. Weird stuff. |
That's a fcuked up flat share. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 with 3028 views | Steve_M |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 11:58 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Surely isn't more to do with the fact that it's sod all to do with religion and more to do with human nature and the desire for power and control. |
It isn't sod all to do with religion unfortunately. Religion is very much par t of the motivation, or rather one particular interpretation of Islam.
Others are attracted by feelings of belonging to something and the reasons you mentioned but discounting religion is as incorrect as blaming all Muslims. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 with 3018 views | Darth_Koont |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:40 - May 23 by DanTheMan |
There was a murder in the USA the other day when a Neo-Nazi converted to Islam and then murdered his two Neo-Nazi flatmates for insulting his religion.
Whilst investigating the murder, police then found another flatmate was making a bomb. Weird stuff. |
Crazy, but nevertheless sounds about right. We're talking about predominantly young men who are struggling with their identity and place in the world. For them the passion, drama and sense of belonging is far more important than the creed.
As someone said in another thread, far-right extremism and western terrorism are two cheeks of the same @rse. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:47 - May 23 with 3015 views | DoobDude |
I don't think they are that aware of god.
They are just nutjobs, possibly suicidal anyway who ISIS manipulate. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:50 - May 23 with 2983 views | lowhouseblue |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 by Darth_Koont |
Crazy, but nevertheless sounds about right. We're talking about predominantly young men who are struggling with their identity and place in the world. For them the passion, drama and sense of belonging is far more important than the creed.
As someone said in another thread, far-right extremism and western terrorism are two cheeks of the same @rse. |
someone posted a very good article a couple of months ago about the characteristics of those in the west who have been radicalised and committed terrorists attacks. it was based on data from belgium and france I think. it was very good and reinforces what you say - but I can't find it now. |  |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:51 - May 23 with 2981 views | giant_stow |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 by Steve_M |
It isn't sod all to do with religion unfortunately. Religion is very much par t of the motivation, or rather one particular interpretation of Islam.
Others are attracted by feelings of belonging to something and the reasons you mentioned but discounting religion is as incorrect as blaming all Muslims. |
It depends on what you define as a religion. Personally, I wouldn't call ISIS truly religious - they've twisted Islam out of all recognition. Although I accept they would disagree. [Post edited 23 May 2017 23:04]
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:51 - May 23 with 2976 views | homer_123 |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 by Steve_M |
It isn't sod all to do with religion unfortunately. Religion is very much par t of the motivation, or rather one particular interpretation of Islam.
Others are attracted by feelings of belonging to something and the reasons you mentioned but discounting religion is as incorrect as blaming all Muslims. |
Whether it's religion, political idealism or something else - the driver behind it all is control and power. | |
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:52 - May 23 with 2961 views | Gromheort |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:47 - May 23 by DoobDude |
I don't think they are that aware of god.
They are just nutjobs, possibly suicidal anyway who ISIS manipulate. |
I certainly struggle with any form of fundamentalist religion (and we mustn't forget that fundamentalist typically doesn't mean terrorist). However, its wrong to go down the 'they're just loons' front. Its only by understanding the rationality behind their terrible crimes that we can maximise the effectiveness of counter-terrorism. | | | |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:54 - May 23 with 2944 views | MJallday |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:51 - May 23 by homer_123 |
Whether it's religion, political idealism or something else - the driver behind it all is control and power. |
IS now claiming responsibility
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| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:56 - May 23 with 2926 views | DanTheMan |
| Manchester bombing - why do people do these things?? on 12:46 - May 23 by Darth_Koont |
Crazy, but nevertheless sounds about right. We're talking about predominantly young men who are struggling with their identity and place in the world. For them the passion, drama and sense of belonging is far more important than the creed.
As someone said in another thread, far-right extremism and western terrorism are two cheeks of the same @rse. |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-student-devon-arthurs-murder
In case anyone is interested. | |
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