| It's funny how quickly... on 00:58 - Sep 15 with 5180 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| It's funny how quickly... on 00:04 - Sep 15 by jeera |
It's all just too much eh? |
Can't sleep
Maybe I should read the bible to learn or something
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| It's funny how quickly... on 00:58 - Sep 15 by The_Romford_Blue |
Can't sleep
Maybe I should read the bible to learn or something
Edit - Maybe sh1te was a tad far [Post edited 15 Sep 2017 1:30]
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| It's funny how quickly... on 01:16 - Sep 15 with 5164 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
Is Phil paying you for your round the clock monitoring service?
Don't let him get away with less than £20 per hour is my advice |  | | |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 01:16 - Sep 15 by FrowsyArmLarry |
Is Phil paying you for your round the clock monitoring service?
Don't let him get away with less than £20 per hour is my advice |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 01:22 - Sep 15 with 5153 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 01:30 - Sep 15 with 5139 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Fair point
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| It's funny how quickly... on 06:35 - Sep 15 with 5088 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's funny how quickly... on 23:06 - Sep 14 by The_Romford_Blue |
Surely not?
I don't believe you
Edit - FÃœCKING HELL, GOOGLE SAYS THE SAME!
My mind is actually blown.
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| It's funny how quickly... on 06:50 - Sep 15 with 5078 views | Benters |
| It's funny how quickly... on 06:35 - Sep 15 by GlasgowBlue |
Jesus wept! |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 07:13 - Sep 15 with 5068 views | GlasgowBlue |
| It's funny how quickly... on 06:50 - Sep 15 by Benters |
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Each day that passes I'm more convinced that Rommers is Blueas'
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| It's funny how quickly... on 07:44 - Sep 15 with 5049 views | Vic |
Indeed, and I'm not saying anyone should be forced to live a lie. What I'm saying is that the drive for gender fluidity to be taught and encouraged for all is an experiment that, I believe, will do harm. Children are left confused and asking questions when they need not be. The vast, vast majority have a body that matches their gender - so why encourage them to question it? Why not just be a bit more open and aware for the minority. Truth is the jury is still out as it will take years for the consequences of this to come through.
Clapham point about mental health being more talked about now is true. But the stress and pressure children are under from all sorts of things most very definitely is new - go check out the figures for the rise in self harm in children if you are in any doubt. |  |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 07:55 - Sep 15 with 5037 views | gordon |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:44 - Sep 15 by Vic |
Indeed, and I'm not saying anyone should be forced to live a lie. What I'm saying is that the drive for gender fluidity to be taught and encouraged for all is an experiment that, I believe, will do harm. Children are left confused and asking questions when they need not be. The vast, vast majority have a body that matches their gender - so why encourage them to question it? Why not just be a bit more open and aware for the minority. Truth is the jury is still out as it will take years for the consequences of this to come through.
Clapham point about mental health being more talked about now is true. But the stress and pressure children are under from all sorts of things most very definitely is new - go check out the figures for the rise in self harm in children if you are in any doubt. |
Wasn't that more or less the reactionary response when schools started teaching people that it was OK to be gay? |  | | |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:56 - Sep 15 with 5034 views | Herbivore |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:44 - Sep 15 by Vic |
Indeed, and I'm not saying anyone should be forced to live a lie. What I'm saying is that the drive for gender fluidity to be taught and encouraged for all is an experiment that, I believe, will do harm. Children are left confused and asking questions when they need not be. The vast, vast majority have a body that matches their gender - so why encourage them to question it? Why not just be a bit more open and aware for the minority. Truth is the jury is still out as it will take years for the consequences of this to come through.
Clapham point about mental health being more talked about now is true. But the stress and pressure children are under from all sorts of things most very definitely is new - go check out the figures for the rise in self harm in children if you are in any doubt. |
Who is encouraging all children to question their gender? |  |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 07:44 - Sep 15 by Vic |
Indeed, and I'm not saying anyone should be forced to live a lie. What I'm saying is that the drive for gender fluidity to be taught and encouraged for all is an experiment that, I believe, will do harm. Children are left confused and asking questions when they need not be. The vast, vast majority have a body that matches their gender - so why encourage them to question it? Why not just be a bit more open and aware for the minority. Truth is the jury is still out as it will take years for the consequences of this to come through.
Clapham point about mental health being more talked about now is true. But the stress and pressure children are under from all sorts of things most very definitely is new - go check out the figures for the rise in self harm in children if you are in any doubt. |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 08:00 - Sep 15 with 5025 views | Herbivore |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:55 - Sep 15 by gordon |
Wasn't that more or less the reactionary response when schools started teaching people that it was OK to be gay? |
Right wingers always equate teaching tolerance of difference with actively encouraging behaviour they view as deviant. It's very strange. | |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 08:00 - Sep 15 with 5025 views | gordon |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:56 - Sep 15 by Herbivore |
Who is encouraging all children to question their gender? |
The Godless heathens, I think. Or 'the left'. Or is it the liberals. Or the Guardianistas. Blue Oyster will know. Where is he/she/it. | | | |
| It's funny how quickly... on 08:04 - Sep 15 with 5018 views | gordon |
| It's funny how quickly... on 07:44 - Sep 15 by Vic |
Indeed, and I'm not saying anyone should be forced to live a lie. What I'm saying is that the drive for gender fluidity to be taught and encouraged for all is an experiment that, I believe, will do harm. Children are left confused and asking questions when they need not be. The vast, vast majority have a body that matches their gender - so why encourage them to question it? Why not just be a bit more open and aware for the minority. Truth is the jury is still out as it will take years for the consequences of this to come through.
Clapham point about mental health being more talked about now is true. But the stress and pressure children are under from all sorts of things most very definitely is new - go check out the figures for the rise in self harm in children if you are in any doubt. |
I keep re-reading this, and it makes less sense every time. You've definitely won the TWTD Most non-sequiturs in a Friday Post Prize. | | | |
| It's funny how quickly... on 08:09 - Sep 15 with 5005 views | TLA |
| It's funny how quickly... on 22:31 - Sep 14 by Vic |
Will you please stop quoting facts that contradict opinions!
I can't help but wonder when the penny will drop that the social liberalisation, the removal of accepted norms and the current experiment with gender fluidity actually open the door for more harm than good. For all our modern opinions people's health (mental and physical) is less stable now than years ago when things were more stable. The amount of children mental health problems is truly alarming - but hey, lets keep taking away structures and norms that give stability. |
'For all our modern opinions people's health (mental and physical) is less stable now than years ago when things were more stable.'
I've done quite a lot of work around young people's mental health and it would be hard not to agree that a degree of structure and stability is important for young people to flourish. However, countries such as Denmark, Finland and Norway have some of the most positive mental health in the world, whilst the UK and US have some of the poorest.
It seems to be social and financial inequality that is the biggest reason for mental health crises, rather than people having less structure and less liberal thinking. |  | | |
| It's funny how quickly... on 08:40 - Sep 15 with 4983 views | Vic |
"I can assure you" - is based on what Libby?
'In your experience the majority are non plussed ...' not doubting that but so that has some weight in the discussion, what is your experience?
And for clarification I'm not connecting gender fluidity with the rise in self harm - it's too early to make that connection yet. I'm simply drawing attention to the rise in children's with mental health problems. It's well documented and from my own involvement with local primary schools I know there is a huge rise. The reasons are many, but one of the things that stand out are the number who come from one parent families. Not saying why that is, and making no judgements, it's just how it is. Have a look at Pupil premium stats if you want to know more. | |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 08:43 - Sep 15 with 4979 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's funny how quickly... on 08:09 - Sep 15 by TLA |
'For all our modern opinions people's health (mental and physical) is less stable now than years ago when things were more stable.'
I've done quite a lot of work around young people's mental health and it would be hard not to agree that a degree of structure and stability is important for young people to flourish. However, countries such as Denmark, Finland and Norway have some of the most positive mental health in the world, whilst the UK and US have some of the poorest.
It seems to be social and financial inequality that is the biggest reason for mental health crises, rather than people having less structure and less liberal thinking. |
financial inequality has been stable since the end of the 80s - at times it has fallen - so that isn't going to work as an explanation. lack of social cohesion may be a better explanation - unstable family and community structures. 'mental health' has also become a much broader concept than it used to be. more things are labelled a 'mental health' issue and are medicalised and there is much more self-diagnosis using these terms. in the use of language we have lost some of the contrast between less serious problems and very serious problems. it is very good that we are now more aware, and open and pro-active in terms of serious mental health problems. but at a low level, led by social media, the 'mental health' label is applied much more widely and less precisely than in the past. school education has become much less good at promoting independence and resilience and as a result a wider range of fairly normal life adjustments are being given a mental health label when in the past they wouldn't necessarily have been conceptualised in those terms.
** none of this is to dispute the seriousness of mental health matters, the need for openness and support and treatment, or to suggest that serious mental health problems haven't risen in recent decades. |  |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 08:47 - Sep 15 with 4975 views | Vic |
| It's funny how quickly... on 00:58 - Sep 15 by The_Romford_Blue |
Can't sleep
Maybe I should read the bible to learn or something
Edit - Maybe sh1te was a tad far [Post edited 15 Sep 2017 1:30]
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Given this Rommers - "I don't remember being taught ANYTHING in re. We used to just watch Cool Runnings and The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas on repeat for a year. The teacher was a Muslim maths teacher but because he was Muslim, the school made him teach RE as well he said." it might not be a bad idea to actually read the Bible which you say is rubbish!!
Might be worth reading it before you say it's rubbish, or you might be liable to the charge of being prejudiced and christianphobic!! | |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 08:40 - Sep 15 by Vic |
"I can assure you" - is based on what Libby?
'In your experience the majority are non plussed ...' not doubting that but so that has some weight in the discussion, what is your experience?
And for clarification I'm not connecting gender fluidity with the rise in self harm - it's too early to make that connection yet. I'm simply drawing attention to the rise in children's with mental health problems. It's well documented and from my own involvement with local primary schools I know there is a huge rise. The reasons are many, but one of the things that stand out are the number who come from one parent families. Not saying why that is, and making no judgements, it's just how it is. Have a look at Pupil premium stats if you want to know more. |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 09:18 - Sep 15 with 4908 views | Vic |
No problem. Not wanting to be confrontational but given that we have different takes on this and you meantioned your experience I ugh it was valid to ask what this is. I don't have a problem with different opinions 🙂. Half the problem in these debates (not just on here but anywhere) is that opinions quickly get polarised and people demonised and truth lies somewhere between the two positions. I'll always maintain that we should be able to have a civil, polite debate without descending into finger pointing or name calling, and respect for the other person is lost. (Not saying that's what you're necessarily doing!)
Just for clarity, I'm coming from the perspective of being governor of a primary school with responsibility for Pupil Premium. Doesn't make me an authority, but like you, it allows me to see analysis in our school which most others don't see. | |
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| It's funny how quickly... on 09:28 - Sep 15 with 4895 views | Clapham_Junction |
| It's funny how quickly... on 08:43 - Sep 15 by lowhouseblue |
financial inequality has been stable since the end of the 80s - at times it has fallen - so that isn't going to work as an explanation. lack of social cohesion may be a better explanation - unstable family and community structures. 'mental health' has also become a much broader concept than it used to be. more things are labelled a 'mental health' issue and are medicalised and there is much more self-diagnosis using these terms. in the use of language we have lost some of the contrast between less serious problems and very serious problems. it is very good that we are now more aware, and open and pro-active in terms of serious mental health problems. but at a low level, led by social media, the 'mental health' label is applied much more widely and less precisely than in the past. school education has become much less good at promoting independence and resilience and as a result a wider range of fairly normal life adjustments are being given a mental health label when in the past they wouldn't necessarily have been conceptualised in those terms.
** none of this is to dispute the seriousness of mental health matters, the need for openness and support and treatment, or to suggest that serious mental health problems haven't risen in recent decades. |
Yes, but financial inequality massively increased during the 80s, so we are now seeing children being born into families who have grown up in a much more unequal society.
Money problems are the one greatest cause of stress (and therefore mental health issues) and things like the deliberate destruction of social housing or the government's refusal to do anything about FOBT contribute heavily to worsening the situation.
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